Doug Pensinger wrote:
Would it have made much difference?
Doug
Who doesn't believe it would have.
My understanding is that the religion itself has many tenets which
inhibit both socialogical and scientific change. Not that Christianity
didn't have some of those same characteristics at various
Damon wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows
a fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Gosh - that got a reaction!
I think it's safe to say that Middle Ages were stagnant IN SOME WAYS, if
we compare them to any other period of
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One very interesting
Doug Pensinger wrote:
...
I am curious. How do you know it wasn't Satan?
Or a phenomenon that is beyond our understanding, but in fact has a
logical explanation?
Why is something you cannot explain automatically attributable to a deity?
Cuz Satan Rulz, dude! Any silly
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Nick Arnett wrote:
God certainly was clever to invent
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And I think you know what I think of republicans who want to restrict
thoughts, ideas, science, evolution, and return us to the authoritarian
power of the religious leaders.
Is it the same
From: Matt Grimaldi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hemline Theory
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:26:57 -0700
Are skirt hems a leading indicator of stock market performance?
http://tinyurl.com/f2g2
Reggie Bautista wrote:
The primary differences between Catholics and Fundamentalists,
as I see it, are what one believes about whether the Bible is to be
interpreted literally, and whether the Bible is the only viable source for
spiritual info. (By the way, you could probably find lots of
Julia Thompson wrote:
Most of what I can get easily is Columbian. What's the difference
between that and Brazilian coffee, Alberto?
br coffee has no trace of cocaine O:-)
Alberto Monteiro
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The whole stock/hemline joke has been around for a long, long time. I'd
guess it is at least 20 years old.
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Gosh - that got a reaction!
I think it's safe to say that Middle Ages were stagnant IN SOME WAYS, if
we compare them to any other period of recorded history. It's not like the
period 900-1000 compares to 1900-2000. Isn't that where the term
Renaissance comes from?
The MA was stagnant in some
From: Russell Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't think it's a coincidence that Muslim countries generally seem to
have
advanced about 300 years of our advances in the last 1300
years or so,
and that's being generous in how the time is scaled...
I found it fascinating when I found
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Brazilians
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:07:51 -
Julia Thompson wrote:
Most of what I can get easily is Columbian. What's the difference
between that
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Finished the new Harry Potter
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:53:17 +1000
Matt Grimaldi wrote:
E. Some of us have the book, but have to wait
for their
http://www.the-brights.net/
Thought it was appropriate to post this since we've been hitting so many
spiritual/scientific worldview topics lately.
They're trying to introduce a new meme:
A Bright -- a person with a naturalistic worldview
A Bright's worldview is free of supernatural and
At 11:04 AM 6/24/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote:
The whole stock/hemline joke has been around for a long, long time. I'd
guess it is at least 20 years old.
Heck, it was older than that 20 years ago.
-- Ronn! :)
God bless America,
Land that I love!
Stand beside her, and guide her
Thru the night
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...
If you decide that you fit the definition, then you can simply say so and
join with us in this extraordinary effort to change the thinking of
society--the Brights' Movement. If
When I think of Christian values, I think of such things as
honesty,
charity, love for your fellow humans, not stealing, not
murdering, not
committing adultery (which by definition involves someone who
is married to
another and therefore damages that family, which may include innocent
Doug Pensinger wrote:
...
I am curious. How do you know it wasn't Satan?
Or a phenomenon that is beyond our understanding, but in fact has a
logical explanation?
Why is something you cannot explain automatically attributable to a
deity?
Thats it. If you can't tell
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:34:04 -0700
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I've added new pictures from Dan Minette's recent Alaska cruise:
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Legions of obese Americans and Russians and Spaniards and Canadians...
Well...um...Russians were obese *long* before McDonalds invaded Moscow...
Tom Beck
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That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe,
they had a massive fleet the likes never seen
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From: Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism
As you can see, Christian values place God above all, then fellow man.
The
individual,
This time, the ultrasound tech admitted to the first sexing error in 5
or 6 years.
I'm carrying a boy and a girl.
Now there's no *question* that they're fraternal. :) I kinda figured
they were, but this confirms it before they come out, without anything
unpleasant like, oh, say, amniocentisis.
I'd be very curious to see your interpretation of the parable
of the good
Samaritan, then. :-) You do know that was the answer to who is my
neighbor? , right?
You help me illustrate my point that it is difficult to be a good Christian,
when it is not clear what is most important. The
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism
As you can see, Christian values place
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This time, the ultrasound tech admitted to the first sexing error in 5
or 6 years.
I got this far, misread the first line and thought you were going to say
that you didn't have twins and that it was, in fact, triplets!
Two boys and a girl. Oh
--- Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be very curious to see your interpretation of the parable
of the good
Samaritan, then. :-) You do know that was the answer to who is my
neighbor? , right?
You help me illustrate my point that it is difficult to be a good
Christian,
when
At 03:36 PM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
This time, the ultrasound tech admitted to the first sexing error in 5
or 6 years.
I'm carrying a boy and a girl.
Now there's no *question* that they're fraternal. :) I kinda figured
they were, but this confirms it before they come out, without anything
Chad wrote:
Here is the list of values I do not agree with:
First let me say that many of the values you list as Christian are not
universally held Christian values. You'll find that some Christians might
have these values, and some might not. I'll give more details as I address
each of the
Is NOT fat. Is extra layer of skin for keepink warm.
Nyet. Eez FAT.
I remember when I lived there seeing women eating containers of sour cream
like it was ice cream. :::shudder:::
Tom Beck
www.prydonians.org
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I
At 10:45 PM 6/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
The Fool wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3013146.stm
I couldn't find the reference. Wasn't there a post six months to a year ago
about a meteor strike hitting in Albania about the same period? A scientist
was out for a hike, looked around
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a word, no. He appears to believe that standing
tough will always win
the day. By talking about regime change, and the
axis of evil he has given
at least an indication that he is interested in
taking steps to overthrow
the North Korean
Constantine should not have backed into that fire spit
In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:22:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin T. - VRWC
30 minutes to decide: do I see the HULK or the CORE?
Core is so bad, I don't think it'll make it to the second run
On 24 Jun 2003 at 16:50, Reggie Bautista wrote:
The only true justice is Christian justice (eye for an eye).
As I stated in a previous email, Christian justice is not an eye for
an eye.
That's JEWISH Justice (an eye for an eye). The punishment SHOULD fir
the crime. That's not saying that
Deborah Harrell wrote:
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Fool wrote:
If they are right then if it were not for this
chance occurance [meteor impact before emperor
Constantine], europe
might be mithraist or mulsim and not christian.
Would you prefer that?
So
Matt Grimaldi wrote:
On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger:
The meme that claims the Bible as the only
source of christian truth is a protestant myth
that totally ignores the truth of the Bibles
origins.
Jon Gabriel wrote:
I have a number of Baptist (bible-literalist) and
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Hemline Theory
The whole stock/hemline joke has been around for a long, long time. I'd
guess it is at least 20 years old.
40
The comparative benefits of the economies of the 80's and 90's has been
widely discussed on this List. This slate.com article covers a new paper
from the Federal Reserve which suggests that income mobility decreased from
the '80s to the '90's.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2084816/
Keep in
Reggie Bautista wrote:
Chad wrote:
Justice
Christian - Commutative Justice (Eye for an Eye)
This bit is absolutely incorrect. Matthew chapter 5, verses 38-40:
You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I
tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone
On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 05:55 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
So the rumours were true, and don't they look nice :)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/panther/fast_user_switching.html
snippage
Mmm, Panther.
yeah i switched, so what!?
john
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US, EU to seek carbon dumps to fight climate change
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BELGIUM: June 24, 2003
At 06:50 PM 6/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
Constantine should not have backed into that fire spit
In a message dated 6/24/2003 3:22:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin T. - VRWC
30 minutes to decide: do I see the HULK or the CORE?
Core is so bad, I don't think
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe,
they had a massive fleet the likes never seen up to that time, and their
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe,
they had a massive fleet the likes never seen up to that time, and their
Kevin Tarr wrote:
At 03:36 PM 6/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
This time, the ultrasound tech admitted to the first sexing error in 5
or 6 years.
I'm carrying a boy and a girl.
Now there's no *question* that they're fraternal. :) I kinda figured
they were, but this confirms it before they
William T Goodall wrote:
So the rumours were true, and don't they look nice :)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/panther/fast_user_switching.html
John Garcia replied:
Mmm, Panther.
yeah i switched, so what!?
I have access to several PCs at home thanks to a friend who's father makes
PCs, but I
Russell Chapman wrote:
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Would it have made much difference?
Doug
Who doesn't believe it would have.
My understanding is that the religion itself has many tenets which
inhibit both socialogical and scientific change. Not that Christianity
didn't have some of
Damon wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a
fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Any suggestions?
Doug
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I went to John's web page:
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and copied some selected pictures over to my memberpix
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Russell Chapman wrote:
My understanding is that the religion itself has many tenets which
inhibit both socialogical and scientific change. Not that Christianity
didn't have some of those same characteristics at various times, but...
It's fairly easy to abandon Christianity and continue to live
In a message dated 6/24/03 7:43:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anne is out, as it is close to Sam and out-and-out rhymes with
Dan. Other than that, Anne is a fine name. On boy's names, we have 2
backups from last time (and we've discussed one of them today just
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a
fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Any suggestions?
If you know nothing about the middle ages and want a good, concise,
readable introduction, I'd recommend Hollister's _Medieval Europe_.
Julia Thompson wrote:
Also, I'd be happier if no two had the same first initial,
and if none of them shared a first initial with either of
their parents. (My sister and I had to go to middle initials
in labelling things that were labelled with just initials,
and I know one family where the
- Original Message -
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:30 PM
Subject: Why the 80's Were Better for the Poor than the 90's
The comparative benefits of the economies of the 80's and 90's has been
widely discussed on this List.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/23/2003 9:45:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nick Arnett wrote:
God certainly was clever to invent evolution.
Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God.
8^)
Doug
Hmmm.. 8^) instead of
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer Europe,
they had a massive fleet the likes
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Damon wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a
fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Any suggestions?
Doug
Not his again. They certainly were in many ways. Why don't
While we're looking for Ws of mass destruction...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/jan-june03/congo_6-24.html
Doug
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--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Finally, the idea that the Middle Ages were stagnant in any way shows a
fundamental lack of understanding of history in general. Read a book.
Any suggestions?
If you know nothing about the middle ages and want a good, concise,
readable introduction,
Not his again. They certainly were in many ways. Why don't you read a book
like How the Irish Saved civilization.
Just FYI this book has been criticized by professional historians pretty
thoroughly. Its pop history.
Damon.
Damon
From: Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's all very nice but you failed to directly address what I was
referring to: you linked the Dark Ages with the rise of the Papacy.
This
shows a lack of research on your part, or even an acknowledgement of
medieval history.
The Dark Ages was a VERY
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ok time out.
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Estrus is hidden in human females. In fact when they are
menstruating
they are __not Fertile__.
Try telling that to thousands of pregnant 14 year olds who say, but I
can't
be pregnant...I was
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
evolutionary deterioration.
Foget that all the papers sited reference only this one guy who's paper
there
is no sign of, and who has not performed a single experiement in
support of
his hypothisis (which is what
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of The Fool
...
And I think you know what I think of republicans who want to restrict
thoughts, ideas, science, evolution, and return us to the
authoritarian
power of the religious
Can you offer any good talks or documentaries? Reviews even? I don't have
time to spend on this topic to read something. I also don't quite understand
your viewpoint. Are you saying that catholocism didn't stifle scientific
advancement in the middle ages?
No, what the Fool contended was that the
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not his again. They certainly were in many ways. Why don't you read a book
like How the Irish Saved civilization.
Just FYI this book has been criticized by professional historians pretty
thoroughly. Its pop history.
Not all profesional historians
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Foolish mortal
That's the thing about empires. They squeeze out competitive forces
and
it's those competitive forces that keep innovation and progress
alive.
For example there was one point when china was all set to conquer
Europe,
they had a massive
Damon, Is your last name D*##0^? You sound like DD word for word.
--- Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you offer any good talks or documentaries? Reviews even? I don't have
time to spend on this topic to read something. I also don't quite
understand
your viewpoint. Are you saying that
The Fool wrote:
Science is not based on anecdotes. Anecdotally thousands of people have
created cold fusion. You cannot base science on anecdotal evidence.
Anyone who does base science on anecdotal evidence is a quack. Lots of
quacks claim to be able to cure cancer.
Yes, but cancer has cured
I was referring to the more popular definition of dark ages. But my
general definition of dark ages is about 500ad to the end of the crusades
/ renaissance.
The popular definition of the Dark Ages is more a hindrance to
understanding the MA as anything. Your post displays as much.
There is
Damon, Is your last name D*##0^? You sound like DD word for word.
Huh???
I think that if we got into specifics that we would disagree, but in
generalizations this fits. Also, I think you are streatching the timelines
and not giving enough credit to the catholic church.
The Fool failed to define
I know a lot of historians think that Diamond is way off the mark as well.
History is one of those feilds where polotics and opinion mean a lot more
than fact anyway.
Well no, not precisely. It can be easily be said there is no fact in
history, rather there is interpretation of events and
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