On 17/09/2007, at 1:06 PM, Dan Minettte wrote:
Well, technically, the proposal doesn't force people to walk.
There could
be mass transit on each and every street, I suppose. It's just
that any
realistic implementation of the proposal would force people who are
not
capable of
See my previous email.
Martin
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From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sep 17, 2007 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Car free London?
To: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin,
Another private post:
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an
On 9/17/07, Dan Minettte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The conversation went like this:
Gary makes a massive strawman about forcing people to walk.
Well, technically, the proposal doesn't force people to walk.
snip
I point out this is massive strawman.
Point out implies that your
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette.
Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is
pretty poor netiquette. If you wish to berate someone for their
behaviour onlist, do it onlist or not at all. It's called
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
'Cuz new ones are just too darned expensive!
-- Ronn! :P
Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt.
Oh, if you go shopping in late May/early June when the dealers are trying
to clear out the current-model vehicles to make room for the
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 16, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
'Cuz new ones are just too darned expensive!
You know, I'm drinking a pretty fine port here, and a spit-take on my
MacBook Pro was definitely not what I needed...
I have absolutely no sympathy.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 12:03 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Dave Land wrote:
On Sep 16, 2007, at 9:44 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
'Cuz new ones are just too darned expensive!
You know, I'm drinking a pretty fine port here, and a spit-take on my
MacBook Pro was definitely
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
London's Emissions Targets For 2030 Will Only Be Reached By Banning Cars
Related in two ways to that link, I read this in the paper today:
Cycling England says a 20% increase in bicycle journeys would
On 9/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
London's Emissions Targets For 2030 Will Only Be Reached By Banning Cars
Related in two ways to that link, I read this in the paper today:
Cycling England says a 20% increase in bicycle journeys would lower
healthcare costs and reduce congestion.
On 9/15/07, jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the fact is
that the oil and automobile industries are critical to global
capitalism and i do not see those powerful lobbies allowing alternative
modes of transportation to develop.
I would hope that it's not that simple... but for those
Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct reasoning. How much biofuel
does a human being
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom on the
way from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my time.
Telecommuting is good. :) You may not even need to stop to get dressed!
(Although it's recommended you be
Nick Arnett wrote:
I would hope that it's not that simple... but for those who don't
know the history, there is a very sad story from the 1950s of how
automobile and related industries destroyed much of America's mass transit
infrastructure... in the name of progress. The promise was that
I want to add my two cents about car-free anything, since the University of
New Mexico is working very hard to become a car-free campus - at the age of
68 and in hot weather, walking any distance is exhausting. There have been
days I've tried to do so for my health and have come home and been
On 9/17/07, Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
does a human being consume, when we compare to a car? It certainly
makes no sense to use a car to go to work and back, and then
spend a couple of hours in the gym, but most people already do
enough physical exercise not to need that extra
Martin Lewis wrote:
does a human being consume, when we compare to a car? It certainly
makes no sense to use a car to go to work and back, and then
spend a couple of hours in the gym, but most people already do
enough physical exercise not to need that extra time.
Is this true?
Most =
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Martin Lewis wrote:
does a human being consume, when we compare to a car? It certainly
makes no sense to use a car to go to work and back, and then
spend a couple of hours in the gym, but most people already do
enough physical exercise not to
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Charlie Bell
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:32 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Car free London?
On 17/09/2007, at 1:06 PM, Dan Minettte wrote:
Well, technically, the proposal
On 9/17/07, Dan Minettte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not a proposal that forces anyone to do anything, especially if
you're talking about the centre of London (within the Circle Line
area, which seems to be the general idea).
That would be a lot more practical, but I don't think that's
On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette.
Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is
pretty poor netiquette. If you wish to berate someone for their
behaviour
Martin Lewis wrote:
It is hard to overestimate the amount of effort that would be
required to elminate cars from London. It may not be designed around
the car in the same way American cities but that is still very often
the default planning assumption. Achieving a car free London would
On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Dan Minettte wrote:
On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette.
Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is
pretty poor netiquette. If
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Dave Land
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Netiquette (was Re: Car free London?)
On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Never, ever post a
there are reasons why our consumer economy in america chose
to go with automobiles rather than other means of transportation
Are you thinking of the commonly understood reasons like cars being
better suited to peoples needs in a large, relatively (compared to Europe)
sparsely populated
Yes, and no. There's nothing in the guidelines that says either:
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handling a personal attack.
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Martin and I each crossed
I'm not usually this sarcastic, but I guess it is a bit irksome when
someone accuses me of having a total lack of logic just because
I differ with themsince it is a significant part of my professional
training and day to day work and all.
Dan M.
i don't think you are sarcastic,
Yes, and no. There's nothing in the guidelines that says either:
A) Please do not respond off-list to comments made on-list except when
handling a personal attack.
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Martin and I each crossed
At 09:09 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/14/07, Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
London's Emissions Targets For 2030 Will Only Be Reached By Banning Cars
Related in two ways to that link, I read this in the paper today:
Cycling England says a 20% increase in bicycle journeys
Dave Land wrote:
B) Please do not post emails received off-list to the list without
thepermission of the author.
I believe this is so basic that it transcends any list rules.
But I would qualify: do not post parts of private e-mails to the
public without the consent of the author of
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
we naturally wonder if a car ban is implemented in London and proves
successful in reducing emissions how soon it will be before it
implemented in other cities, including those which due to their layout
and lack of public transportation pretty much require people to have
On 18/09/2007, at 12:34 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct
On 18/09/2007, at 1:47 AM, Dan Minettte wrote:
Finally, are you arguing that those people who do drive in greater
London
are just a bunch of idiots who could do much better if only they
used public
transportation instead?
I'll answer the rest later as I'm just heading off to work, but
On 18/09/2007, at 12:27 AM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around
London) cost? (Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it
pays for itself in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
Answer one - as much as you want to spend. OK, I'm
On 9/17/2007 5:57:42 AM, Charlie Bell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Never, ever post a private message to a mailing list.
It is an unconscionable breach of netiquette.
Oddly enough, I think that replying to an onlist post offlist is
pretty poor netiquette. If you wish to berate someone for
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom
on the
way from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my time.
Telecommuting is good. :) You may
On 9/17/2007 4:51:13 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the
Charlie Bell wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct reasoning.
It's part of the reasoning, and it's the
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the correct
On 18/09/2007, at 12:19 AM, PAT MATHEWS wrote:
I tried to re-acquire a bicycle and ride it and found I was no
longer secure
in my balance.
You are the perfect candidate to discover the joys of triking. I have
read story after story by people who rediscovered the joys of cycling
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 4:51:13 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom
on the
way from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
And while London and some other cities like New York City do have public
transportation systems which allow many people to get by quite well
without owning and driving a car (although when it comes to subways or
elevated trains many people
At 02:34 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Martin Lewis wrote:
On 9/17/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(particularly most cities in the US) do not. So
we naturally wonder if a car ban is implemented
in London and proves successful in reducing
emissions how soon it will be before it is
At 03:23 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
And while London and some other cities like New York City do have public
transportation systems which allow many people to get by quite well
without owning and driving a car (although when it
On 9/17/07, Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(particularly most cities in the US) do not. So
we naturally wonder if a car ban is implemented
in London and proves successful in reducing
emissions how soon it will be before it is
suggested or implemented in other cities,
including
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 03:23 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
And while London and some other cities like New York City do have public
transportation systems which allow many people to get by quite well
Charlie Bell wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike
(good for riding around London cost?
if we want to ban cars and adopt bikes to
save the planet, then we must calculate
the extra consumption due to human labour.
How much biofuel does a human being
consume, when we compare to a car?
All I'm saying is most people most of the time could
*drastically* reduce their reliance on cars if they
live in big cities.
Charlie
which is a rational approach to reduce (not eliminate)
emissions.
i have greatly reduced my automobile use since i started
walking to the market, AND lost 10
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At 05:09 PM Monday 9/17/2007, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 4:51:13 PM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Robert Seeberger wrote:
On 9/17/2007 9:36:08 AM, Julia Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep
At 09:34 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Nick Arnett wrote:
My commute varies tremendously. Sometimes I stop in the bathroom on the way
from our bedroom to the ofice. That probably triples my time.
Have you tried getting more fiber in your diet?
-- Ronn! :)
At 09:34 AM Monday 9/17/2007, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
Question: How much does a good bike (good for riding around London)
cost?
(Wondering how good a selling point this is; if it pays for itself
in 2 years, that's a good deal, IMO.)
I don't think this is the
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