On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:48 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, hkhenson wrote:
At 01:00 PM 2/23/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
Religion has a vested interest in discouraging critical thinking.
I think it's *much* worse than that.
In Evolutionary Psychology, Memes
On 25 Feb 2008, at 17:10, Dave Land wrote:
On Feb 24, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 09:48 PM Saturday 2/23/2008, hkhenson wrote:
At 01:00 PM 2/23/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
Religion has a vested interest in discouraging critical thinking.
I think it's *much* worse
my point is that any conclusion that we are unique in the unimaginable
vastness that is the universe for lack of evidence overestimates the
utility of our perspective.
Doug Pensinger
Well, we are going to be unique in the universe. Evolution isn't going
to follow the same path twice (if
Brin blogged:
The world's rush to embrace biofuels is causing a spike
in the price of corn and other crops and could worsen
water shortages and force poor communities off their land,
according to a U.N. official.
Ok, but this is not the consensus. What caused the spike in
the prices of
Lance A. Brown said:
The point of shooting the satellite was to disrupt the fuel storage. If
the satellite came down in one piece, there is a chance the hydrazine
fuel on board would survive to reach the surface. If it impacts on
land, you get nasty poisonous gas cloud.
If the missile did
If you think black helicopters are a-comin-a-gitcha, you
ain't seen nothin' yet: Think black flying saucers.
Which make a lot more sense for alien invaders to use than ones which
glow bright green . . .
Black is way more cool. Ever seen a pink ufo?? Hah! Thought not!
Curtis Burisch wrote:
The general consensus among many (e.g. www.theregister.co.uk)
appears to be that the US wanted simply to test their sat-
interceptor systems, and maybe make a bit of PR capital by flexing
their muscles on the world stage.
OTOH, this shows the capacity to hit a
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Alberto Monteiro
PS: I hope the subject does not make anybody think about
Monika Lewinsky in a space shuttle.
The thought had not occurred to me until I read this.
:)
Julia
___
Hmmm. Interesting as usual, Alberto...
Good perspective.
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brin blogged:
The world's rush to embrace biofuels is causing a
spike
in the price of corn and other crops and could
worsen
water shortages and force poor communities off
their
On Feb 25, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Curtis Burisch wrote:
Lance A. Brown said:
The point of shooting the satellite was to disrupt the fuel
storage. If
the satellite came down in one piece, there is a chance the hydrazine
fuel on board would survive to reach the surface. If it impacts on
land,
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Subject: On Godliness
Not that speculative fiction really influences my personal philosophy, but
On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Ronn!
You are well over a century late with that conjecture ;):
http://lds.org/hf/art/display/1,16842,4218-1-5-143,00.html
I made no claim concerning originality.
from the website:
As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be
Brin blogged:
The world's rush to embrace biofuels is causing a spike in the price of
corn and other crops and could worsen water shortages and force poor
communities off their land, according to a U.N. official.
What caused the spike in the prices of vegetable food is the increase
of income of
On Feb 24, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
So that set me to wondering; would those of you among us that are
religious
consider the possibility that their supreme being(s) was at one time
something similar to what we are today?
When I was religious, that was the only possibility
Yes, but those wouldn't be god as defined by the world's major
deistic systems -- i.e., they would not have created the universe and
everything in it.
I'd be quite surprised if we lived in an otherwise sterile universe,
actually; and given the age of the cosmos positing an ultra-advanced
Charlie wrote:
Well, we are going to be unique in the universe. Evolution isn't going
to follow the same path twice (if snowflakes are all unique, then
intelligent life, which is much rarer, will be unique to a greater
degree...) However, most atheists I know who have any sort of science
Well, I think that type of god would be a very poor excuse for God. It
reduces God to the mundane, and removes the transcendental nature of
God.
Dan M.
I prefer a mundane god, myself, or perhaps a species evolving to the
point of singularity and modifying its own genetic structure to self
Max wrote:
I wrote:
Sheesh, we can't even remember lessons learned from a war a few
decades
ago and we're going to perfect godhood? 8^)
Certainly we don't seem quite up to the challenge at the moment, but if
Kurzweil's tracking for the upcoming singularity is correct we may have
to
Charlie wrote:
Of course I consider the possibility. In fact, given the size of the
universe, I'd be surprised if there weren't some sort of
transcendental or sublimed beings of mind or something.
But that's a fair cry from saying that there's a being above and
outside the universe that
Warren wrote:
There's one god for Earth. Other planets each have their own gods.
(That's not facetious; it's LDS doctrine.)
Inhabited planets? Do they the gods get the planets when they're
undeveloped and tend them like gardens? How are they dolled out?
Doug
Pluto! WTF am I supposed to
On Feb 25, 2008, at 8:03 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Warren wrote:
There's one god for Earth. Other planets each have their own gods.
(That's not facetious; it's LDS doctrine.)
Inhabited planets? Do they the gods get the planets when they're
undeveloped and tend them like gardens? How
On Feb 25, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Warren wrote:
There's one god for Earth. Other planets each have their own gods.
(That's not facetious; it's LDS doctrine.)
Inhabited planets? Do they the gods get the planets when they're
undeveloped and tend them like gardens? How are
Dan wrote:
Well, I think that type of god would be a very poor excuse for God. It
reduces God to the mundane, and removes the transcendental nature of God.
Only to those that reach God's level of knowledge, eh?
I think the question and the comments made within this thread of whatever
Warren wrote:
snip
Thus, under LDS doctrine, if you remain righteous and are
sealed (married in a temple) to a spouse, when you and your spouse
ascend to the highest plane of heaven, you will be given your own
world to populate with your own spirit children born into mortal bodies.
Yikes.
Jon wrote:
I prefer a mundane god, myself, or perhaps a species evolving to the
point of singularity and modifying its own genetic structure to self
uplift in order to become transcendent.
Jon M.
Just a stranger on the Bus?
Doug
'cept the Pope maybe in Rome, maru
On 26/02/2008, at 11:31 AM, Dave Land wrote:
I think it was also because some significant chunks of very new, very
secret technology might have survived reentry and potentially gotten
into the wrong hands.
I say this already. Noone listen to me.
Charlie.
On 26/02/2008, at 2:32 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Well, we are going to be unique in the universe. Evolution isn't
going
to follow the same path twice (if snowflakes are all unique, then
intelligent life, which is much rarer, will be unique to a greater
degree...)
On 26/02/2008, at 2:54 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
So how would you define your atheism?
You phrase it like it's a belief. It's not. I spent a long time
exploring my Christianity, and in the end found it empty. So I stopped
believing.
I do not believe in gods, ghosts, telepathy, bigfoot,
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