On 01/09/2008, at 10:32 AM, David Hobby wrote:
No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children,
very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and
who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA.
They're not children yet! Children have *been born*.
Late-term
On 01/09/2008, at 1:17 PM, Dan M wrote:
Well, having looked at Hume and having read several reviews of
Moore's work
that discuss the Naturalistic Fallacy, it appears that you and I may
actually agree on a philosophical point: that one cannot deduce
ethics from
nature.
Neither can one
On 1 Sep 2008, at 04:17, Dan M wrote:
That all sounds reasonable to me. But, if one also Googles Social
Darwinism,
one finds numerous references that list a number of folks who
believed in
it, including a number who clearly spent more than 10 minutes
thinking about
ethics. Now, I
On 01/09/2008, at 6:56 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
The question of how we come to have ethical ideas is a different kind
of question, with a different kind of answer, than the question of
what is good.
The question 'where do our ethical ideas come from' has the answer
'our nature as
On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:18 PM, David Hobby wrote:
Seriously, if true, the rumor immediately disqualifies
her. Not for lying, not for hypocrisy, but for being
dumb enough to think she could get away with it.
On that score, McCain would have to be disqualified as well, for
thinking that he
The question 'where do our ethical ideas come from' has the answer
'our nature as social mammals'.
The question 'how do we tell good from bad' does not have the answer
'our nature as social mammals'.
Category Mistake Maru
I'm not sure this is true, although I'll admit I don't have the
On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:47 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
So does celibacy. So not breeding as fruitfully as possible is
murdering children?
I think that would be a fairly extreme interpretation.
However .. there's a lot to be said against the logic of unilaterally
equating terminating a
On Sep 1, 2008, at 3:07 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
Late-term abortion kills the unborn at a time when they're likely to
survive (except in cases where the abortion is because they won't and
they'll probably kill the mother in the process), and is something I
strongly oppose (because adoption is
Dan M wrote:
With all due respect, so what? Most people prefer drilling
everywhere over $4.00 gasoline. And, the Republicans are
winning that argument...the polls show a massive preference
now to drill to bring down the prices.
Are high gas prices a necessary evil to force
Olin Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The cynical position that all politicians are bad or untrustworthy is no
more reasonable than any other blanket indictment of a group.
I did not reply to this initially because implying that another person's
opinion is unreasonable is not the type of
On Sep 1, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Are high gas prices a necessary evil to force technological
advancement?
They shouldn't be, and in an economy and social/cultural framework
that cultivated proactive thinking at least in the majority, they
wouldn't be. The problem is that
On 02/09/2008, at 1:58 AM, Gary Nunn wrote:
Nothing motivates the masses more that money. If we're still buying
$1.50 a
gallon gas at the pumps, why would anyone be motivated to get rid of
that
Hummer getting 10 miles per gallon (on a good day!) and find more
efficient
and
They shouldn't be, and in an economy and social/cultural
framework that cultivated proactive thinking at least in the
majority, they wouldn't be. The problem is that the existing
paradigm tends to go ahead with business as usual until it
becomes totally unsustainable,
*then* start
Because it's the right thing to do? Just because something is
cheap does not mean we need to be wasteful.
Substitute anyone with most people in that sentence and
I'll agree with you.
Ok, Most people.
I agree, just because something is cheap doesn't mean that we need to be
wasteful,
Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a Utopian society, the thinkers and scientists would
proactively look for solutions with the full support of society in general.
However, we are talking about America, a country that thrives on, and
worships convenience. It's not convenient to consider
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
aren't you being self righteous about not being self righteous, olin?
if intolerance of intolerance is being self righteous, then i pleasd
guilty, too.
jon
I'm prejudiced against bigots.
Julia
At 05:45 PM Monday 9/1/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
aren't you being self righteous about not being self righteous, olin?
if intolerance of intolerance is being self righteous, then i pleasd
guilty, too.
jon
I'm prejudiced against bigots.
Olin wrote at the end
These are all scientific questions though. If the answers don't come form
there, where will they come from?
Sorry for cutting almost everything, Olin, but your last question is a great
lead-in to my next post discussing the basis of ethics, better, worse, good
and bad.
Ronn! wrote:
The 4% inflation is unacceptable statement was the Democrat's
ridicule of Ford's Whip Inflation Now! campaign and it's WIN
buttons. I'm sure they picked the worst figure they could find, just
as whoever from the other side who came up with the Carter said 4%
inflation was
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So who can we blame for poor leadership and the complete lack of a
comprehensive energy policy?
The same one we blame for poor humanity leadership and complete lack
of a comprehensive intelligent-design policy?
Sorry for the sarcasm, but is blame so
Dan M wrote:
The two clear views are these: morality, better, worse, etc. are based on
axioms that are posited (i.e. taken on faith) or they are just tools of
politics.
Taken on faith from what? The Bible? The Koran? A cereal box? That
doesn't work at all for me, Dan. For one thing it
John wrote:
So who can we blame for poor leadership and the complete lack of a
comprehensive energy policy?
The same one we blame for poor humanity leadership and complete lack
of a comprehensive intelligent-design policy?
Sorry for the sarcasm, but is blame so important?
Not if I'm
Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is important is that a leader take responsibility for his
administration. It is important that I am able to distinguish between
someone that has done a good job and someone that hasn't when I cast my
vote.
So in that case, yea, blame is pretty
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