On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
How did you get 1.2 trillion for Medicare and Medicaid?
I meant to write that Medicare and Medicaid _and other
government-related health care spending_ make up more than half. The
biggest additional component is the tax
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't you know that government interference in markets is bad,
but corporate interference in markets is good?
Corporations do not have the power to compel people at gunpoint to do
as they say. Government lawmakers do. That
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
The fundamental truth behind that writing is conveniently ignored by
champions of liberty who insist that freedom frees them from a
community's obligation to organize itself to care for those in need.
It is a strange
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
Agreed. But, where he and I agree and where a John would disagree is that a
free market can be shaped by the laws within which it resides. For example,
if you required insurance companies to accept pre-existing
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 2:49 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
And I resent the government forcing me to spend much of my surplus
income on people like the 87-year-old so that I have much less to help
people like the child born in Niger.
I believe history has clearly show the
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dan Mdsummersmi...@comcast.net wrote:
If someone pays for full ticket family health insurance with COBRA, the
price is about $12k/hear. If someone wants to buy insurance, there are a
number of possibilities. First, they can be a young person or a young
From past behavior, it does not seem wise to expect politicians to be
unselfish and to make altruistic decisions to help people. Indeed, the
dramatic failure of large centrally planned economies has demonstrated
that it is not wise to even expect politicians to know how to keep
mundane things in a
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
It seems odd to conclude that the way to get other people to behave as
one thinks they should behave is to coerce them at gunpoint
There are people with guns showing up to demand that you pay your taxes?
That
On Jul 19, 2009, at 2:40 AM, John Williams wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com
wrote:
Don't you know that government interference in markets is bad,
but corporate interference in markets is good?
Corporations do not have the power to compel people at
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Dave Landdml...@gmail.com wrote:
Right. I'm always getting a gun pointed at my head when I go to the damn
doctor.
I have posted articles that list a number of state mandates for health
care plans. If a provider were to dare to sell a policy to a willing
buyer,
Limiting myself to the US, and just listing a few incidents that come to mind:
Indian Removal Act
Legal slavery
Jim Crow laws
Coverture
Japanese American internment
Joseph McCarthy
Richard Nixon
I think that any system of ethics that equates legality with doing
what is right, that holds that the
If we're going to throw out all the flawed human institutions,
nothing will be left, including your ideas. I don't have to look
beyond my immediate family to see the injustices that our system has
allowed, but good isn't the same as perfect. Argue better,
please.
On 7/19/09, John Williams
JDG posted this article on Facebook, very apropos to our discussion.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/01/26/090126fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/01/26/090126fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all
Doug
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Nick Arnettnick.arn...@gmail.com wrote:
If we're going to throw out all the flawed human institutions,
nothing will be left, including your ideas.
Then don't throw them all out. I never suggested such a thing. I
merely stated my preference for discussing
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:09 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Doug Pensingerbrig...@zo.com wrote:
If regulations and restrictions have such a detrimental effect then why
do
other, more restrictive nations have much more efficient and
John wrote:
Limiting myself to the US, and just listing a few incidents that come to
mind:
Indian Removal Act
Legal slavery
Jim Crow laws
Coverture
Japanese American internment
Joseph McCarthy
Richard Nixon
Are we waiting for historical perspective to add Bush/Cheney to that list?
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