Re: Bear Vitals

2003-06-21 Thread G. D. Akin
Reggie Bautista asked: Has anyone here read _Vitals_, by Greg Bear? Any recommendations? --- I have. Gotta admit that I'm a Bear Fan, but Vitals is at the low end of his works, IMO of course. There is some interesting science, but I had trouble following it through the

RE: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Seeberger ... And there is a name for people who think they have a stranglehold on the truth: How about fundamentalist? Nick ___

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread Jan Coffey
ok time out. --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Estrus is hidden in human females. In fact when they are menstruating they are __not Fertile__. Try telling that to thousands of pregnant 14 year olds who say, but I can't be pregnant...I was on my period. --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread Jan Coffey
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: evolutionary deterioration. Foget that all the papers sited reference only this one guy who's paper there is no sign of, and who has not performed a single experiement in support of his hypothisis (which is what it is). Zhang actualy references ED which

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:35:43PM -0500, The Fool wrote: Well you can attack scientists and the scientific method all you want. That was not what he was doing. Evolutionary biology isn't great science -- it can't be, because of the difficulty of experiments. Studies reach different

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 10:21:29PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: You have singularly strong and specific religious beliefs for an atheist. It really throws your previous anti-religion postings into sharp relief. And perhaps into comic relief: A person who denies the existence of God and

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 10:31:32PM -0500, The Fool wrote: If somebody is going to spout a gibberish 'trvth' they had better be consistent. Most religious people aren't consistent. And their trvth is usually anti-intellectual, anti-science. A lot of the stuff you post sounds like gibberish

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 12:25:48AM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Behalf Of Robert Seeberger And there is a name for people who think they have a stranglehold on the truth: How about fundamentalist? And what do you call people who, together, have a stranglehold on the truth that they can bend

Re: Br!n: public domain petition

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 11:02:44PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/20/2003 3:18:58 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I beat you to it by posting this two weeks ago. And I did not look at it until our good Dr. Brin posted it. Funny that. Same

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:28 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists At 10:04 PM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: No I just think catholics are hyprocritical.

RE: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deborah Harrell Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:33 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Colour vision and pheromones --- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Seeberger ... And there is a name for people who think they have a stranglehold on the truth: How about fundamentalist? Fundamentalist atheist? Not sure how well

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:49 AM 6/21/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: 1) How many times is Mary mentioned in the normal Catholic Mass (which Catholics are obligated to attend weekly)? Interesting. I have no idea, but I'd like to know the answer and would appreciate your posting it. While we're at it, what about the

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Reggie Bautista
rob replied: And you would be wrong. Very wrong. In the One True ChurchG Mary is not deified, but being the Mother Of God she sits close at the right hand of God in heaven and has influence as an Advocate. [snip] Most Christians have at some point asked someone else to pray for them, whether

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists rob replied: Jon wrote: A side question. Why is it that Mary is always seen in a glass window or

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:04 PM 6/21/03 -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: [snip] There is a huge difference between worship and prayer. Prayer is simply a method of communication. Worship is a type of communication. For example, Catholics believe in life-everlasting after death in heaven. Given that most Christians

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:31 AM 6/21/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: One might note that Mary sightings are most frequent in Hispanic countries or in areas with strong catholic traditions. How many Mary sightings do you hear about in China or India? One explanation is that when God deals with people, he does so

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:31 AM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: How many Mary sightings do you hear about in China or India? Well there are Shrines to Our Lady of India and Our Lady of China at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception here in washington DC. JDG

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/21/2003 11:06:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many so-called fundamentalist Christians apparently do want exactly that, and are willing to help Him hurry. Well not before the third Lord of the Rings, thank you very much. William Taylor

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:40 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/21/2003 11:06:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many so-called fundamentalist Christians apparently do want exactly that, and are willing to help Him hurry. Well not before the third Lord of the Rings, thank you

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:04 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists At 09:49 AM 6/21/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: 1) How many times is Mary mentioned

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool wrote: From: Robert Seeberger From: The Fool From: Robert Seeberger And I said nothing about criticism. Its namecalling I object to. snip snip,snip snippety-snip-snip! And there is a name for people who think

RE: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Behalf Of Deborah Harrell --- Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s881312.htm Colour vision means pheromones unnecessary snipped most Simply becouse

Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
Why isn't anyone discussing this? Anyways, it's marvelous. Rowling has, once again, surpassed herself - this one is even better than the last. Harry has matured with remarkable realism - I remember being 15, and reading the book was disturbingly familiar. It wasn't as funny as the first four -

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-21 Thread David Hobby
Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Behalf Of Deborah Harrell --- Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: --- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Is the flamewar over? Good.) Perish that thought! Although I think there *is* something

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/21/2003 4:22:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why isn't anyone discussing this? A. Because Rowling isn't writing about Christianity or Catholicism B. Because Rowling isn't bashing Republicans. or C. Because Rowling isn't a Hoon. William

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Taylor D. No one else reads that friggen fast? I figured I'd be a little behind the curve - I didn't get it until about 1:00 this afternoon. Knowing the people on this list, I figured there'd be at least a few midnight buyers. I'm

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread William T Goodall
On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Ha! Okay. That makes sense. It also makes sense, as I consider this, that Mary, as an 'advocate' would be considered more accessible? That's probably not the right word. Discussing crazy nonsense as if it were real might have

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Ha! Okay.

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:55 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Ha! Okay. That

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread William T Goodall
On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 01:03 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Discussing crazy nonsense as if it were real might have long-term deleterious affects on your mental health :) Anyone for dowsing, Tarot cards or Astrology?

RE: Desperation Sets In.......

2003-06-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zack Laura Gardner, Thanks for your kind words and insights. I find it genuinely moving when people write to me in the way you did. You have a sharp eye. You might enjoy some of the keen-eyed discussions that take place at the Brin-L discussion list! Unfortunately, I have lost track of their

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Why isn't anyone discussing this? Um, because I don't have my hands on it, and even if I did, I'd be doing well to read 50 pages a day? :) Seriously, I would like to, but I think I'll just be asking for a copy for Christmas, as I don't forsee being able to read it in

Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
Can somebody help me out here? It seems that there are two basic types of people, albeit with some gradations, and hence, two types of Brin-L'ers. These people are essentially those who believe in God, and those who do not. Yet, it seems that people who believe in God, at least on Brin-L, seem

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-21 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: It seems that there are two basic types of people, albeit with some gradations, and hence, two types of Brin-L'ers. These people are essentially those who believe in God, and those who do not. No, there are four basic types of people. Add another bit: those that can discuss their

Brin: Re: Desperation Sets In.......

2003-06-21 Thread Alberto Monteiro
I have just finished re-reading your book Foundation's Triumph. Months of searching by every search engine know to man have lead me to this point. I must knowwhat are in the white coffin-shaped cases that the opposing robotic faction carries off Seldon's ship? It was obvious what

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-21 Thread Michael Harney
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can somebody help me out here? It seems that there are two basic types of people, albeit with some gradations, and hence, two types of Brin-L'ers. These people are essentially those who believe in God, and those who do not. Yet, it seems that

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/21/2003 7:46:28 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Add to that another bit for those that can count, and those that can't, and you have 42 types of people Alberto Monteiro Don't Panic William Taylor - And now we know the

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/21/2003 7:12:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it some inherent correlation with non-belief in God that causes one to react like a Neanderthal against those who profess a belief in God? How dare you say

Math protocol question

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
How does one express a definite integral in ASCII? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: JDG wrote: It seems that there are two basic types of people, albeit with some gradations, and hence, two types of Brin-L'ers. These people are essentially those who believe in God, and those who do not. No, there are four basic types of people. Add another

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-21 Thread G. D. Akin
Sorry for the top posting here, but PLEASE NO HARRY SPOILERS! George A - Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: Finished the new Harry Potter Why isn't anyone discussing

Re: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-21 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the top posting here, but PLEASE NO HARRY SPOILERS! George A I thought I was being pretty careful... = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you

Re: Math protocol question

2003-06-21 Thread The Fool
-- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Math protocol question Date: Saturday, June 21, 2003 10:59 PM How does one express a definite integral in ASCII? Terminal: ô õ ³ subscripts are a different matter.

RE: Finished the new Harry Potter

2003-06-21 Thread Ritu
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Why isn't anyone discussing this? Started reading it last evening and went straight to bed after finishing it. Anyways, it's marvelous. Rowling has, once again, surpassed herself - this one is even better than the last. I'd say it's good. And definitely more