Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And there are 7 or 8 year old kids in south american > countries that are happy > to make tennis shoes for a $1 a day, but that > doesn't make it right. > _ >Jan William Coffey Well, it migh

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ad if that isn't enough think of those poor Indeans, > > not only the ones here > > who are literaly forced to work 80 hour weeks for > > 1/3 what they are worth, > > but what of those in Bangalore who LI

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What is your point? > > That is economics, supply and demand. > > You can try to do something about it, but in the end it will only make > things > worse. > > The real answer is a global market in labor. Nations and patriotism are > evil > things

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ad if that isn't enough think of those poor Indeans, > not only the ones here > who are literaly forced to work 80 hour weeks for > 1/3 what they are worth, > but what of those in Bangalore who LIVE in front of > a monitor for pennies? If > this isn't sla

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Trent Shipley
What is your point? That is economics, supply and demand. You can try to do something about it, but in the end it will only make things worse. The real answer is a global market in labor. Nations and patriotism are evil things. On Thursday 2003-09-11 21:59, Jan Coffey wrote: > --- Alberto Mo

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >"It would be really interesting to work in Bangalore," he says. "But I > >was told, 'Daniel, it is against the law for you to work here. You can > >come here on vacation, but you can't work here.'" > > > It sounds fair to me. The USA has put

Re: Decline in SF?

2003-09-11 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:15:40AM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: > ritu wrote; > > > > > My favourite epic fantasy till date is > > Stephen Donaldson's _ The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_. > > --- > > You must've seen something in there that I didn't. I easily put

Re: Whoops!

2003-09-11 Thread Steve Sloan II
Julia Thompson wrote: > Nah. If I were going to post, the subject line would say > something about my being in labor, or it would be a "Here > we go!" sort of thing. Or I might reference a certain > mathematician. ;) Or take a page from Kosh: "And so it begins..." :-) ___

Interesting Hubble images from Space.com....

2003-09-11 Thread Gary Nunn
This image comes in 7 different flavors, depending on your connection speed. I downloaded the 2.49 mb .JPG file and am currently downloading the 76 MB TIFF file. If you have the connection speed (or patience) and your PC has the resources to open these larger images, they are definitely worth look

Re: Whoops!

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/11/2003 7:33:47 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Under-construction $239 million satellite topples to floor in mishap > > > > http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/90903_APnat_satellite.html > > > > The list I got this

Re: Whoops!

2003-09-11 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 9/11/2003 7:33:47 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Under-construction $239 million satellite topples to floor in mishap > > http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/90903_APnat_satellite.html > > The list I got this from had it under the subject line "som

Whoops!

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
Under-construction $239 million satellite topples to floor in mishap http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/90903_APnat_satellite.html The list I got this from had it under the subject line "someone's fired". >:) The moral of the story is, check to make sure everything's in order before you try movin

Re: Decline in SF?

2003-09-11 Thread G. D. Akin
ritu wrote; > My favourite epic fantasy till date is > Stephen Donaldson's _ The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_. --- You must've seen something in there that I didn't. I easily put that series on the "not recommended for any reason" list. George A _

Re: Decline in SF?

2003-09-11 Thread G. D. Akin
Horn, John wrote: > If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. R. Martin. He'll > release no book before its time... I just happen to be about 3/4 of the way through "A Game of Thrones" and enjoying it immensely. Any idea how many books that series is supposed to end up being...? -

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Alberto Monteiro
>"It would be really interesting to work in Bangalore," he says. "But I >was told, 'Daniel, it is against the law for you to work here. You can >come here on vacation, but you can't work here.'" > It sounds fair to me. The USA has put a lot of weird laws to prevent "dangerous aliens" to work in t

Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > ... > > > you should see how big my belly looks on me; unfortunately, we don't > > have a digital camera, and the film camera needs a bunch more shots > > taken before we can develop film > > Not to mention getting that extra-wide-angle lens... >

twin humor

2003-09-11 Thread Kevin Tarr
While overseas Jim marries a foreign woman and brings her back to the states. She didn't speak English well, but Jim family loved her and accepted her as one of their own. The usual things happened and a year later Jim's wife was pregnant. Even better, she was to have twins, a boy and a girl. T

Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
Jon Gabriel wrote: > > >From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month > >Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:59:48 -0500 > > > >Jon Gabriel wrote: > >

Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:08 PM 9/11/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: ... you should see how big my belly looks on me; unfortunately, we don't have a digital camera, and the film camera needs a bunch more shots taken before we can develop film Not to mention getting that extra-wide-angle lens... N

Re: Decline in SF?

2003-09-11 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 10:21:46AM -0500, Horn, John wrote: > > From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. R. Martin. > He'll > > release no book before its time... > > I just happen to be about 3/4 of the way through "A Game of Thrones

Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Nick Arnett
Julia Thompson wrote: ... you should see how big my belly looks on me; unfortunately, we don't have a digital camera, and the film camera needs a bunch more shots taken before we can develop film Not to mention getting that extra-wide-angle lens... Now, wait before you kill me... I can get away

Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:59:48 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > > >From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
Jon Gabriel wrote: > > >From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [ADMIN] Contacting listowners the rest of the month > >Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:23:02 -0500 > > I'm headed to Portland

No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread The Fool
http://cio.com/archive/090103/people_sidebar_1.html No Americans Need Apply Daniel Soong, who lost his programming job to Indian offshore companies, is willing to relocate to India. But Indian officials have told him they don't hire Americans. BY BEN WORTHEN DANIEL SOONG GOT his first comput

Re: [ADMIN] Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ADMIN] Contacting listowners the rest of the month Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:23:02 -0500 I'm headed to Portland for business next week and doubt I'll be

Re: Dastardly spammer

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: > > Bryon Daly wrote: > > > You said this was effectively a DOS attack, and DOS attacks are illegal, > > aren't they? Does the spammer's home city have a police computer crime > > division? Perhaps the FBI? If you describe the attack as by "hackers" > > rather than "spammers

[ADMIN] Contacting listowners the rest of the month

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
There will come a point in the next 2 weeks where I head off for the hospital for a few days. During this time, I will not be reading any e-mail, nor sending any. If there seems to be a problem with the list server, contact Nick at one of the addresses he's posted from, or José at the address *he

RE: Decline in SF?

2003-09-11 Thread Horn, John
> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. R. Martin. He'll > release no book before its time... I just happen to be about 3/4 of the way through "A Game of Thrones" and enjoying it immensely. Any idea how many books that series is suppo

36 weeks - any day now, I hope!

2003-09-11 Thread Julia Thompson
I've hit the magic 36-week date. If I go into labor at this point, in theory, neither baby should need to spend any time in the NICU, and they should both be able to go home when I'm released. I have 2 weeks in which to go into labor before they start intervening to make me give birth, one way or

RE: 2003 NFL Preview

2003-09-11 Thread Horn, John
> From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > What other owners are hated by fans? Cardinals owner Bill Bidwell is still hated by football fans here in St. Louis. A lot of that has to do with too many years of pathetic football while the Cardinals were still here and the way he slipped ou

RE: Misplaced mail, interesting neighbor, snake

2003-09-11 Thread Horn, John
> From: Jon Gabriel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Oh, and the neighbor that Dan's most friendly with came over on the > >weekend to help Dan dispose of a snake. Turned out to just be a rat > >snake, and it probably wouldn't have messed with our dogs, but Dan > >didn't want to take any chances.

Re: Dastardly spammer

2003-09-11 Thread Nick Arnett
Bryon Daly wrote: You said this was effectively a DOS attack, and DOS attacks are illegal, aren't they? Does the spammer's home city have a police computer crime division? Perhaps the FBI? If you describe the attack as by "hackers" rather than "spammers" and put some high dollar figure on th

Re: Decline in SF?

2003-09-11 Thread TomFODW
> > I think reading Guy Gavriel Kay may have spoiled me > > for other epic fantasy, actually. > > _Tigana_ is on my unread pile. > I'm not much of a fantasy reader, but _Tigana_ is one of my all-time favorite genre books. Probably in my top 10. I'd also strongly recommend _The Anubis Gates_ by

RE: Decline in SF?

2003-09-11 Thread ritu
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. > > R. Martin. He'll > > release no book before its time... > > > > Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ > > I don't know - I read the first one in his new series, > but was just, well, unimpressed. Jordan _start

Re: Dastardly spammer

2003-09-11 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Nick Arnett wrote: > >Thought I'd share our fun from today... (...) > There's an article in a br newspaper suggesting that this Sobig worm is the first attempt by the organized crime to take over the Internet: it mutates the machines into spamming zombies Alberto Monteiro