Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Gary Denton
On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:33:41 -0700, Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Denton, putting me in Oh, Please! mode: It's a start. Mike Lee Savior of the Masses writes: Like all true Saviors, the masses loathe me. Something else we might agree on. The liberals and leftists you

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread David Land
Mike Lee wrote: Gary Denton, putting me in Oh, Please! mode: Cool! Gary found a switch. Is there one marked off nearby? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Gary Denton
On Fri, 7 May 2004 02:20:34 -0500, Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but forgot to include the url Washington Post - The lawlessness began in January 2002 when Mr. Rumsfeld publicly declared that hundreds of people detained by U.S. and allied forces in Afghanistan do not have any rights

Re: The Worst Thing Nixon Ever Did

2004-05-07 Thread Gary Denton
On Thu, 06 May 2004 20:06:54 -0700, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote quoting http://www.techcentralstation.com/041504I.html ~~~ Doug, DDT was banned in the United States for obvious reasons and all but a few have hailed that decision. Those few are now getting funding from

The Oil Crunch

2004-05-07 Thread Gary Denton
Before the start of the Iraq war his media empire did so much to promote, Rupert Murdoch explained the payoff: The greatest thing to come out of this for the world economy, if you could put it that way, would be $20 a barrel for oil. Crude oil prices in New York rose to almost $40 a barrel

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread The Fool
-- From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Further links, including to the articles footnoted, are at the bottom of the site page. snip creationist propaganda Indeed, Neanderthal skeletons resemble cretins far more closely than they resemble healthy modern humans, Dobson wrote in the

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread The Fool
-- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural tube defects (SB frequently

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Gary Denton
On Fri, 7 May 2004 03:55:48 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip creationist propaganda Indeed, Neanderthal skeletons resemble cretins far more closely than they resemble healthy modern humans, Dobson wrote in the journal article.

Re: Pill-Popping Despicable Fool

2004-05-07 Thread The Fool
-- From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:39 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: One needs to ask why our armed services changed procedures and techniques that had worked so well for decades. Do you include September 11th in working well for decades? --- In what way does armed service

Republicans Vs Science: Shrub Blocks Over-Counter Morning-After Pill

2004-05-07 Thread The Fool
The Never ending fascist Republican assualt on human rights continues: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/07/health/07FDA.html?ei=5006en=3f01f0668 1f48b39ex=1084507200partner=ALTAVISTA1pagewanted=printposition= U.S. Rules Morning-After Pill Can't Be Sold Over the Counter By GARDINER HARRIS ederal

How ReptiliKlans win Elections

2004-05-07 Thread The Fool
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=327row=0 VANISHING VOTES by Greg Palast On October 29, 2002, George W. Bush signed the Help America Vote Act (HAVA). Hidden behind its apple-pie-and-motherhood name lies a nasty civil rights time bomb. First, the purges. In the months leading up to

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and those regulars would - I'm guessing - never do anything so unimaginably stupid and vile) and normal group dynamic behaviors - ones that we see in experimental psychology all the time - promptly asserted themselves, until you got the atrocity that

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Mike Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prove it. Seriously. Dead Iraqis (and dead anybodys) look like hell after they die. If the American military is in any widespread way tacitly or otherwise condoning and encouraging such abuses, I'll go maddog on them instead of just on you stupid

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, we cant have the horrible truth of war coming out can we. Andrew Well, the _truth_ of war includes all the people whose lives are saved and made better. The truth of war is not the same thing as the costs of war. So I'm comfortable with the

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Andrew Paul
From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, we cant have the horrible truth of war coming out can we. Andrew Well, the _truth_ of war includes all the people whose lives are saved and made better. The truth of war is not the same thing as

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Disturbing evidence of torture I still stand by my original postion on this war. You dont declare war and invade countries without

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel that this lack of clarity as to why they are there feeds down to the people on the ground. They are not drones, they are people risking their lives. The lack of a simple moral basis, which i feel stems from the rush with which Bush went into

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:40 AM 5/7/04, Andrew Paul wrote: You dont start wars. Its always a stupid thing to do. How about joining in when one is already in progress, whether it has been declared or not? -- Ronn! :) ___

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
information. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=1803ncid=1803e=3u=/washpost/20040507/pl_washpost/a6866_2004may6 or http://tinyurl.com/39bpt Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-07 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:53 AM Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives The bromadrosis from this particular sock is rather severe though, don't you think? Open that particular

Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying.....

2004-05-07 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Insert Reasonable Subject Here - Darn this is annoying. On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 06:39:46PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: One needs

RE: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Horn, John
From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But I think that if one says Christians one is speaking most generally, unless one uses modifiers to specify a certain group of christians. Southern Baptists and their beliefs do not on the whole typify Christianity. But when one describes

RE: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Mike Lee
The Fool has his knickers in a twist: Subject: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out This is indescribable: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1052/1052_01.asp Homophobe apologists (like JDG), only empower people like Chick. Oh, for Christ's sake. I love Chick comics. They're a hott.

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread William T Goodall
On 7 May 2004, at 8:30 pm, Mike Lee wrote: The Fool has his knickers in a twist: Subject: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out This is indescribable: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1052/1052_01.asp Homophobe apologists (like JDG), only empower people like Chick. Oh, for Christ's sake. I

Confrontational style (was: More on the environmental movement)

2004-05-07 Thread Deborah Harrell
Yesterday I inappropriately (as Dan gently pointed out) tacked-on to the end of a post: Perhaps I am a bit piqued at what I see as an underlying assumption Gautam makes when he attributes bad intentions or stupidity to those who disagree with him on certain issues -- You've assumed that people

Warhorses (was: What America Does with its Hegemony)

2004-05-07 Thread Deborah Harrell
Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [I wrote:] Arabian horses, of course! ;) I'm being a little over-the-top, but since at the time horses were the best overland transport and military assets, the impact of the introduction of Arabian and Barb horses, along with style-of-riding,

Sock-puppet (was: Disturbing evidence of torture)

2004-05-07 Thread Deborah Harrell
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan Minette wrote: From: Robert Seeberger Wl...if it was good for you, then I guess it's good enough for the world court. A whole new way to look at put a sock on it. Meant to

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement I didn't know that. All I knew was, a certain amount would help in

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 'state nannyism' came up in a discussion of taking a pill vs. actually getting off one's tushie and getting some exercise WRT coronary artery disease - the latter position mine, the former Gautam's. I'm not sure

Re: Warhorses (was: What America Does with its Hegemony)

2004-05-07 Thread Damon Agretto
I'll try to find some on-line pix of the various riding styles (knight vs. Moor) etc. The reason why I inquired is because, as you may know, I have a history degree, and would tenatively describe myself as a military historian. I have plenty of source material on the subject. But when you say

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:07 PM 5/6/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: It seems to me that the vast majority of christians never give thought to who (other than themselves) might be going to hell, You must not live in Southern Baptist territory. The local fish wrapper (I think it may

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is reduction of spina bifida and other neural

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: RE: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But I think that if one says Christians one is

RE: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-07 Thread ChadCooper
-Original Message- From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:57 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives - Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL

Screensavers, Call For Help - RIP

2004-05-07 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://leo.typepad.com/tlr/2004/05/comcast_fires_t.html The entire staff of Tech TV has been fired by Comcast. Pretty well sucks since Tech TV was actually a very good cable channel and its competition G4 (owned by Comcast who recently bought TechTV) pretty well sucked. That's one way to get

Re: Screensavers, Call For Help - RIP

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: http://leo.typepad.com/tlr/2004/05/comcast_fires_t.html The entire staff of Tech TV has been fired by Comcast. Pretty well sucks since Tech TV was actually a very good cable channel and its competition G4 (owned by Comcast who recently bought TechTV) pretty well

The Barbie Experiment

2004-05-07 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.cindyjackson.com/my_surgery.php Did not use Michael Jackson's advice. xponent Early Transhuman Studies Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:31 PM 5/7/04, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:07 PM 5/6/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: It seems to me that the vast majority of christians never give thought to who (other than themselves) might be going to hell, You must not live in Southern Baptist territory.

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:00 PM 5/7/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: --===1477119760== - Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: RE: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out From: Robert Seeberger

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-07 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives -Original Message- From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:57 PM To: Killer Bs

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:36 PM 5/7/04, Julia Thompson wrote: The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: -- From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deborah Harrell wrote: While the numbers are smaller, the result of folate supplementation is

Re: Screensavers, Call For Help - RIP

2004-05-07 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Screensavers, Call For Help - RIP Robert Seeberger wrote: http://leo.typepad.com/tlr/2004/05/comcast_fires_t.html The entire

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-07 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:58 PM 5/7/04, Robert Seeberger wrote: --===1639037804== - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives -Original Message- From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 04:31 PM 5/7/04, Julia Thompson wrote: Julia who got cheesed off on the whole you're going to hell bit in college due to one particularly vocal individual (and I'll spare the details unless pressed for them) Sorry . . . Debbi already used the Don't

Today's hearings

2004-05-07 Thread Dan Minette
I was able to watch most of today's hearings while I was working and I had a few observations and questions: 1) Sen. Clinton asked a very good question: if normal procedures required general ignorance of what happened until it worked up the chain of command, why wasn't that true in the case of

RE: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-07 Thread Jim Sharkey
Mike Lee misattributed to me: As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one. That is so dumb. It does not. You're the only person I've ever encountered who thinks so.

Baseball idea

2004-05-07 Thread Dan Minette
I originally sent this to just one list member, but I think it might be a good list question. I think I may be seeing another case where a sacrifice is a decent percentage play... Adam Everett, the Astro's second hitter, bunted in the 7th, with no outs Houston having a 4-1 lead. He ended up

New Material Grabs More Solar Energy

2004-05-07 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/trn_photovoltaic_040507.html http://tinyurl.com/yszeg One way to make solar cells more efficient is to find a material that will capture energy from a large portion of the spectrum of sunlight -- from infrared to visible light to ultraviolet.

Re: March for Women's Lives

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Jim Sharkey wrote: Mike Lee misattributed to me: As my brother-in-law (a stay at home dad*) put it having one kid is a hobby, adding a second makes it a career. It definitely gets exponentially harder with the second one. That is so dumb. It does not. You're the only person I've ever

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Mike Lee
When Gary's right, he's right (vis a vis Rumsfeld declaring that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to most of the assholes we have in jail in Iraq). But Rumsfeld is right too, on the law. The Geneva Conventions do not apply to everyone who picks a fight with us, especially if they violate the

RE: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Mike Lee
Gary, still in not-getting-it mode: If it's been a big talking point for you ll's for so long, why shut up now? Where are the demonstrations organized by ANSWER in front of the UN building? Where's Michael Whoore or John Kerry talking about it every damn day? Uh, because the

RE: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-07 Thread Mike Lee
Nick said: Besides, we Christians, as a group, really don't need *any* help at this sort of thing. But perhaps I'm just being silly. Silly Christian. Chick's are for kids! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
Mike Lee wrote: What our MPs did to those prisoners in Iraq sucked. Whether it technically violated the conventions, I don't know or care. I'm proud of how the Bushies have sucked it up and taken their lumps. No, they haven't been perfect. Bush didn't say the A-word timely. Rumsfeld was a

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Kanandarqu
Julia wrote- wondering how much each trip up the stairs carrying a baby counts on the exercise bit There are some people who structure their activities so they do stay aerobic with their ADLs (Activities of Daily Living) for a minimum of 20-30 min daily. We have talked in the past about

Re: Disturbing evidence of torture

2004-05-07 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: Disturbing evidence of torture Mike Lee wrote: What our MPs did to those prisoners in Iraq sucked. Whether it technically

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-07 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia wrote- wondering how much each trip up the stairs carrying a baby counts on the exercise bit There are some people who structure their activities so they do stay aerobic with their ADLs (Activities of Daily Living) for a minimum of 20-30 min daily. We