Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-19 Thread Brad DeLong
Don't get me wrong. I like Austin a lot. But if--after her last summer's trip to Austin and dinner at the Salt Lick--I were to propose to my wife that we move from Berkeley to Austin so that we could double the size of our house and live fifteen minutes closer to the center... well, I don't want

Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Dan Minette wrote: > they give the average starting salary for an EE in the US as 59,646, but in > the SF area it is about 74,700.  So, that is about a 25% premium.  At > simplyhired.com they state that the average EE salary in the SF area is > $87k/year.  That's

Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-19 Thread Dan Minette
Well, I decided to answer my own question. At www1.salary.com they give the average starting salary for an EE in the US as 59,646, but in the SF area it is about 74,700. So, that is about a 25% premium. At simplyhired.com they state that the average EE salary in the SF area is $87k/year. Tha

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: > On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote: >>> >>> "The old people" don't equate to "the old culture".  There's a fairly >>> large >>> intersection of the two, but neither is a sub

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote: "The old people" don't equate to "the old culture". There's a fairly large intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or improper) of the other. I understand that, but as you s

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Pat Mathews wrote: > Okay. Have it your way. We/they didn't save enough and consume health care > with reckless abandon. May you never be in the workplace where the clerk, > knowing that one must never, ever, consume health care one cannot afford, > comes to work

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:18 AM, anar...@gmail.com wrote: There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if anything out of them but don't grouse too much about paying for those already in their golden years. For many years, this is how I have understood Social Security: It's money

Culture wars (was Down with the government)

2010-10-19 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I'm not saying that everything coming out of Garrett's interview with Bernanke is not worth considering only because of his party affiliation. I am saying that from my perspective his agenda sucks, so I am judging him by his group, as far as that goes. These are people who know how to twist fa

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Pat Mathews
Okay. Have it your way. We/they didn't save enough and consume health care with reckless abandon. May you never be in the workplace where the clerk, knowing that one must never, ever, consume health care one cannot afford, comes to work with the flu. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ D

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dan Minette wrote: > I have tended not to answer you John because I have not been able to solve > the problem of dialog with you.  Whenever I use facts or correlations to > support an argument you point to the causal density of economics (not your > term but a ne

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Dan Minette
>There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills >common today. >If true, then by what magic of aggregation can a group of such people afford something that most individuals cannot >afford? >There are only two possibilities I c

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Pat Mathews wrote: > There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover > the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills common today. > If true, then by what magic of aggregation can a group of such people afford something that most individ

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Bruce Bostwick wrote: > >> In other words, we have a continuing culture ware against a backdrop >> of change that is rapidly making the old culture obsolete. > > Well put. I might add that the old culture is becoming at least > vaguely aware of their increasing marginality, irrelevance, and

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Pat Mathews
There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills common today. Call around and ask what various procedures and prescription medications cost. I have insurance because I worked for a University. A lot of people were unable to g

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Dan Minette
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Brad DeLong Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:21 AM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Down with the government Better engineers, and more of them?

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Brad DeLong
Better engineers, and more of them? Lots of Stanford and Berkeley engineering graduates to hire? When I talked about this last year with the Google people, they said that they still believed that you got more dollars for your money hiring engineers in Mountain View than in Durham or Austin. They

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Pat Mathews wrote: > Besides which, we greedy geezers will pass our ill-gotten wealth down to > you hard-pressed Xers and your children in due time via the normal process > of inheritance, if the medical bills needed to keep us functioning don't eat > every last

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Pat Mathews
Besides which, we greedy geezers will pass our ill-gotten wealth down to you hard-pressed Xers and your children in due time via the normal process of inheritance, if the medical bills needed to keep us functioning don't eat every last bit of it up. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/ >

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread anarien
There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if anything out of them but don't grouse too much about paying for those already in their golden years. - jmh Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote: >

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia wrote: > "The old people" don't equate to "the old culture".  There's a fairly large > intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or improper) of the > other. I understand that, but as you say, "there's a fairly large intersection of the two".

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Julia
"The old people" don't equate to "the old culture". There's a fairly large intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or improper) of the other. "Old people", or more to the point, their lobbies (think AARP) wield a fair amount of political power right now. That's where the Social