Also, many large companies (Hallmark included) will match donations given
by employees. In other words, if I decide to donate $100, Hallmark will
donate an additional $100 (various companies place various restrictions on
who this money can be donated to).
Reggie Bautista
Weird, the last
In a message dated 11/12/2002 7:25:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That's the way the fraud starts ;-)
Fraud? We have to set up a bipartisan investigation committee with full
powers. A few hundred million should get us through the first year of
research.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 10:25:45PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Yup. If they don't know it, on any level, then no effect has been
seen in tests that I would trust.
So the prayers don't do anything. Here is the cite you requested. You
would not accept this sophistry from others in discussing, for
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 10:18:57PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
problem with that arguement. My arguement is that people can pick up
many non-verbal signals about the internal mental states of others.
Your arguement appears to be that people can pick up false signals.
No, you have completely
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 10:25:45PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Query: Of the people for whom others are praying, is there a difference
in recovery speed between those who know that people are praying for
them and those that don't?
Yup. If they
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Subject: Re: Praying for the Poor RE: Christian insanity.
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- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Praying for the Poor RE: Christian insanity.
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 12:34:52PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
My contention is that the unspoken attitude
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 05:29:15PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
But, every example you gave had nothing to do with the attitude of one
person towards another. You specifically chose random effects, having
nothing at all to do with interpresonal relationships. I guess I might have
Wrong. It does
I'm trying to picture how praying translates into body language that
then has some sort of mental effect on a beggar and I'm just not getting it.
I have no problem understanding how prayer or any other form of mental
support can help a person make it thorough an illness or tough times,
though
Jeroen wrote:
I am sure those of faith believe it will help, but does it *really* help
that poor person?
In other words: is there any scientific evidence that saying a prayer for a
poor, homeless person will actually improve that person's situation? If so,
I would love to see it. If not,
Erik wrote:
I find it amazing to witness the intellectual contortions people will go
through to defend their pre-conceived notions about prayer.
Yes, it certainly is, Erik. Especially since widely publicized empirical
studies have proven the effectiveness of prayer in healthcare.
Reggie
Julia wrote:
I was instructed by someone who worked with the poor in a charitable
organization to *never* give to someone begging. Most of the poor who
really need help aren't going out and asking for money, but the folks
who are too unmotivated to find another alternative or blowing too much
of
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 02:15:30PM -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Yes, it certainly is, Erik. Especially since widely publicized
empirical studies have proven the effectiveness of prayer in
healthcare.
Please cite a credible study that showed that praying for homeless
people helped improve
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Praying for the Poor RE: Christian insanity.
I agree that it is not a good idea in most cases to give them
cash. Personally, I prefer to leverage my
At 16:15 10-11-2002 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote:
No, it is not. There are reasons why that do not involve God answering
prayers by intervening on the behalf of the person praying. It is
patently obvious to me why. If you think about it Erik, it should also
be obvious to you. If it isn't,
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 03:40:40PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
But, praying for someone, while doing what you can in a non-obvious
manner, has the potential for doing more than just doing things
without praying.
That has the exact same result as not praying for someone, while doing
what you can
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Praying for the Poor RE: Christian insanity.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 03:40:40PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
But, praying for someone, while doing what
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 06:13:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Higgs bosons do not react to body language; humans do.
Body language with praying will have exactly the same result as body
language without praying.
Now, given your pattern of sometimes being scientific, and sometimes
ignoring
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 06:13:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Higgs bosons do not react to body language; humans do.
Body language with praying will have exactly the same result as body
language without praying.
I think the point is, prayer may *affect* your body
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 06:51:33PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 06:13:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Higgs bosons do not react to body language; humans do.
Body language with praying will have exactly the same result as body
language
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 07:14:29PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
No, because the pebble in your shoe will affect your body language
negatively. :)
I beg to differ. It may make you slow down and stoop down, maybe
appearing to be more concerned :) Besides, what if you are gently
sucking on a good
- Original Message -
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Praying for the Poor RE: Christian insanity.
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 07:14:29PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
No, because the pebble in your shoe
Dan Minette wrote:
Do you really believe that? Do you have experiments showing that people
who have friends with pebbles in their shoes recover faster than those who
have friends who don't. There are studies that show a difference in the
recovery rate of people who are ill and who are
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Praying for the Poor RE: Christian insanity.
Dan Minette wrote:
Do you really believe that? Do you have experiments showing that
people
who have
At 05:43 AM 10/30/2002 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
As for prayer teams swinging into action, I have a problem with that. It
sounds a lot like it mistakes prayer for action, rather than recognizing
that prayer enables action -- the kind of cop-out that leads us to pray for
the hungry person in front
At 12:49 09-11-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
Now, while I have a firm policy of *never* giving money to American
beggars, since I believe that this rewards begging behaviour,
So, you think those people *want* to be in a position where they have to
beg for money?
Additionally, whenever I
Jeroen wrote:
At 12:49 09-11-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
Additionally, whenever I do see a poor person on the street, I
have made
a point of saying a prayer for them, as the least thing that I
could do
for them.
And that is going to help them improve their situation -- how
exactly?
At 13:44 09-11-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
I've read articles where people begging were asked how much they took in,
and there were people who'd brin in over $100/day, maybe more like
$200/day.
Wow! That much? Jeez, I should quit my job and develop a career in begging!
No supervisors,
J. van Baardwijk wrote:
At 13:01 09-11-2002 -0600, Adam Lipscomb wrote:
Additionally, whenever I do see a poor person on the street, I have
made a point of saying a prayer for them, as the least thing that I
could do for them.
And that is going to help them improve their
On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 03:14:08PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote:
In other words: is there any scientific evidence that saying a prayer for a
poor, homeless person will actually improve that person's situation? If so,
I would love to see it. If not, well, then praying seems rather useless.
At 15:14 09-11-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote:
In other words: is there any scientific evidence that saying a prayer
for a poor, homeless person will actually improve that person's
situation? If so, I would love to see it. If not, well, then praying
seems rather useless.
Yes. I've seen
team of Bishops, clergy, laymen, rabbi, etc.
No, wait. This is Christian insanity. Drop the rabbi.
Background music: Pray, pray, pray pray,
ABC, of course, will counter with The God Squad.
William Taylor
---
Pantheistic Agnostic
---you're all wrong, but thanks for the choices
--- Gary Nunn wrote:
Ok, this website is almost scary. At first it reads
much like 'The Onion,
but then you realize that it is for real..
http://www.christianreporter.com/cgi/editorlite/print.cgi
snip
I did find one link from this site highly amusing
(with a sharp nip or three at one's
Ok, this website is almost scary. At first it reads much like 'The Onion,
but then you realize that it is for real..
http://www.christianreporter.com/cgi/editorlite/print.cgi
My favorite headline:
Prayer Teams Deploy Against Buddhist Gathering
posted - 11 October, 2002
A 12-day Buddhist
Gary Nunn wrote:
Ok, this website is almost scary. At first it reads much like 'The
Onion,
but then you realize that it is for real..
http://www.christianreporter.com/cgi/editorlite/print.cgi
My favorite headline:
Prayer Teams Deploy Against Buddhist Gathering
posted - 11 October,
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