Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-25 Thread Steve Sloan II
Reggie Bautista wrote: > "The Martian Way?" Never heard of it. Any idea if it's > available in any of the copious numbers of Asimov anthologies > out there? According to the Internet SF Database site: http://isfdb.tamu.edu/cgi-bin/pw.cgi?6e2806 It's been published in these books/magazines:

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread The Fool
> From: Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Trent Shipley asked: > > What will be the tangible benefits from a manned mission to Mars? > > This is going to sound awfully pie-in-the-sky because, well, because it is, > at least a little :-) > > We have to get off this planet. We don't know wh

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:15 PM 1/18/04, Reggie Bautista wrote: Julia wrote: > Anyone feel they were heavily influenced by Asimov's short story "The > Martian Way"? I say this as a long-time Asimov fan. "The Martian Way?" Never heard of it. Any idea if it's available in any of the copious numbers of Asimov antholog

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread Reggie Bautista
Trent Shipley asked: > What will be the tangible benefits from a manned mission to Mars? This is going to sound awfully pie-in-the-sky because, well, because it is, at least a little :-) We have to get off this planet. We don't know when we might next be hit by an asteroid like the one that kill

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread Reggie Bautista
Julia wrote: > Anyone feel they were heavily influenced by Asimov's short story "The > Martian Way"? I say this as a long-time Asimov fan. "The Martian Way?" Never heard of it. Any idea if it's available in any of the copious numbers of Asimov anthologies out there? Reggie Bautista _

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be > > treated. > > > > Open access to emergency medicine is the back door > > is basically a disguised > > form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent > >

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Deborah Harrell
> "Robert J. Chassell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As for inexpensive earth to orbit travel: there are > two obvious ways to achieve this: > > * A nuclear thermal rocketThe problem with >nuclear thermal rockets is two fold. Firstly, > the current designs always put some radioactiv

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:30, John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote: > >I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should > >provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself. > > What a Nietschian hell > Exactly! Libertarian paradise, Soci

The Social Contract Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:09 PM 1/16/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >Well isn't it at least partly due to luck? If I was born to a crack Mom, >I'd say that the cards had been stacked against me, wouldn't you. Now we >do live in a society that allows for the possibility that anyone can >overcome their bad luck,

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote: >I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should >provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself. What a Nietschian hell The answer, of course, is that every human life is precious... and indeed, in your ow terms, ever

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Why do you believe that being a taxpayer -- by which I am presuming you mean having an income, owning property, etc., so that you are subject to taxation -- is simply a matter of "luck"? Well isn't it at least partly due to luck? If I was born to a crack Mom, I'd say that the ca

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:49 PM 1/16/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote: > --- Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be > > treated. > > > > Open access to emergency medicine is the back door > > is basically a disguised > > form o

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote: > --- Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be > > treated. > > > > Open access to emergency medicine is the back door > > is basically a disguised > > form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Damon Agretto
--- Trent Shipley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be > treated. > > Open access to emergency medicine is the back door > is basically a disguised > form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent > people to take on your > charity case whether they want

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated. Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to take on your charity case whether they want to or not. On Friday 2004-01-16 07:03, Damon Agretto wrote:

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Robert J. Chassell
The problem with space travel is money. The cost of reaching low earth orbit from the surface of the earth needs to drop by a factor of 20 or more. At the moment, space flight is expensive and has few users: * the military: long range artillery, espionage, weather forecasting,

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Damon Agretto
> No. I have given up on social programs and think > the government should spend > little or no money on them. I think that if someone > with no money shows up > in an emergency room they should get no treatment > even if this means that the > person dies. Wow. So if I get into a car accide

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:21 AM 1/16/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: > >On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social > > programs. > > Let me make sure

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: > >On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social > > programs. > > Let me make sure I understand you correctly. You have giv

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
> >When the administration announces grand plans for manned space programs i > >FEEL > >proud, excited, and--yes--even inspired. > > > >And that feeling immediately makes me suspicious. Is this fiscally > >responsible? Is it rational? I think, no, I *KNOW* that basing public > >policy on emotion

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > _That's_ what's inspiring about it. > > > > Who cares if its inspiring? > > > > Look I was raised to be a liberal. > > > > I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor > > sick

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:32 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > >spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring! > > Less inspiring than, frex, "Lunar Module"? > > > The name doesn't even make sense. > > Who cares? > > >Will the task of the vehicle be to

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan) > Robert Seeberger

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: > A mission to a nickle-iron asteroid that would mean an eventual return > for investment just aint sexy. I can think of one other listmember > who, like me, might pop a boner at the thought of asteroid mining, but > I doubt anyone else here would get excited, or in any oth

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > _That's_ what's inspiring about it. > > > > Who cares if its inspiring? > > > > Look I was raised to be a liberal. > > > > I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor > > sick folk. (Heck, > > I am poor with chronic i

RE: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread ChadCooper
> > > > _That's_ what's inspiring about it. > > Who cares if its inspiring? > > Look I was raised to be a liberal. > > I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor > sick folk. (Heck, > I am poor with chronic illnesses and would *benefit* from socialized > medicine.) > > I fe

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Trent Shipley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan) > In brute, lowest common denomi

Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > >spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring! > > Less inspiring than, frex, "Lunar Module"? > > > The name doesn't even make sense. > > Who cares? > > >Will the task of the vehicle be to explore the crew? > > No. Its task will