Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-25 Thread Steve Sloan II
Reggie Bautista wrote: The Martian Way? Never heard of it. Any idea if it's available in any of the copious numbers of Asimov anthologies out there? According to the Internet SF Database site: http://isfdb.tamu.edu/cgi-bin/pw.cgi?6e2806 It's been published in these books/magazines: 1.

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread Reggie Bautista
Julia wrote: Anyone feel they were heavily influenced by Asimov's short story The Martian Way? I say this as a long-time Asimov fan. The Martian Way? Never heard of it. Any idea if it's available in any of the copious numbers of Asimov anthologies out there? Reggie Bautista

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread Reggie Bautista
Trent Shipley asked: What will be the tangible benefits from a manned mission to Mars? This is going to sound awfully pie-in-the-sky because, well, because it is, at least a little :-) We have to get off this planet. We don't know when we might next be hit by an asteroid like the one that

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:15 PM 1/18/04, Reggie Bautista wrote: Julia wrote: Anyone feel they were heavily influenced by Asimov's short story The Martian Way? I say this as a long-time Asimov fan. The Martian Way? Never heard of it. Any idea if it's available in any of the copious numbers of Asimov anthologies

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-18 Thread The Fool
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trent Shipley asked: What will be the tangible benefits from a manned mission to Mars? This is going to sound awfully pie-in-the-sky because, well, because it is, at least a little :-) We have to get off this planet. We don't know when we might

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:32 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring! Less inspiring than, frex, Lunar Module? The name doesn't even make sense. Who cares? Will the task of the vehicle be to explore the

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip _That's_ what's inspiring about it. Who cares if its inspiring? Look I was raised to be a liberal. I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor sick folk. (Heck,

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
When the administration announces grand plans for manned space programs i FEEL proud, excited, and--yes--even inspired. And that feeling immediately makes me suspicious. Is this fiscally responsible? Is it rational? I think, no, I *KNOW* that basing public policy on emotion IS

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social programs. Let me make sure I understand you correctly. You have given up on

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:21 AM 1/16/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Friday 2004-01-16 02:32, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:17 PM 1/15/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um. I thought I was pretty clear. I HAVE given up on the social programs. Let me make sure I

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Damon Agretto
No. I have given up on social programs and think the government should spend little or no money on them. I think that if someone with no money shows up in an emergency room they should get no treatment even if this means that the person dies. Wow. So if I get into a car accident,

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Robert J. Chassell
The problem with space travel is money. The cost of reaching low earth orbit from the surface of the earth needs to drop by a factor of 20 or more. At the moment, space flight is expensive and has few users: * the military: long range artillery, espionage, weather forecasting,

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated. Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to take on your charity case whether they want to or not. On Friday 2004-01-16 07:03, Damon Agretto

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Damon Agretto
--- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated. Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to take on your charity case whether they want to or

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote: --- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated. Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:49 PM 1/16/04, Trent Shipley wrote: On Friday 2004-01-16 13:16, Damon Agretto wrote: --- Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated. Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised form of socialized

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! wrote: Why do you believe that being a taxpayer -- by which I am presuming you mean having an income, owning property, etc., so that you are subject to taxation -- is simply a matter of luck? Well isn't it at least partly due to luck? If I was born to a crack Mom, I'd say that the

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote: I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself. What a Nietschian hell The answer, of course, is that every human life is precious... and indeed, in your ow terms, every

The Social Contract Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:09 PM 1/16/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: Well isn't it at least partly due to luck? If I was born to a crack Mom, I'd say that the cards had been stacked against me, wouldn't you. Now we do live in a society that allows for the possibility that anyone can overcome their bad luck, but

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 2004-01-16 18:30, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 01:49 PM 1/16/2004 -0700 Trent Shipley wrote: I can think of only a few objective reasons why the commonwealth should provide subsidies to ne'er do wells like myself. What a Nietschian hell Exactly! Libertarian paradise, Social

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Deborah Harrell
Robert J. Chassell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipping nearly all As for inexpensive earth to orbit travel: there are two obvious ways to achieve this: * A nuclear thermal rocketThe problem with nuclear thermal rockets is two fold. Firstly, the current designs always put some

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-16 Thread Deborah Harrell
Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope. If you are insolvent you should not be treated. Open access to emergency medicine is the back door is basically a disguised form of socialized medicine. It forces solvent people to take on

Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring! Less inspiring than, frex, Lunar Module? The name doesn't even make sense. Who cares? Will the task of the vehicle be to explore the crew? No. Its task will be to LAND

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan) In brute, lowest common denominatior terms what is in this gold-plated fools

RE: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread ChadCooper
Snip _That's_ what's inspiring about it. Who cares if its inspiring? Look I was raised to be a liberal. I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor sick folk. (Heck, I am poor with chronic illnesses and would *benefit* from socialized medicine.) I feel that we

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip _That's_ what's inspiring about it. Who cares if its inspiring? Look I was raised to be a liberal. I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor sick folk. (Heck, I am poor with chronic illnesses and

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: A mission to a nickle-iron asteroid that would mean an eventual return for investment just aint sexy. I can think of one other listmember who, like me, might pop a boner at the thought of asteroid mining, but I doubt anyone else here would get excited, or in any other

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

2004-01-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan) Robert Seeberger wrote: A mission to a nickle-iron asteroid that would