RE: Power and civilization

2012-12-03 Thread Dan Minette
>That's not how slow poison works. People don't die for smoking a cigarette, or for smoking 100 >cigarettes a day for 30 years. But then they die in the 31st year. The difference, of course, is that there were a large number of symtoms, very statistically significant differences in longevity, et

Re: Power and civilization

2012-12-03 Thread ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO
Dan Minette wrote: > > The poison you talk about is roundup. And, yes, if I drank a bottle of it, > I'd probably be sick. But, I've used it on weeds. Spray it on grass, and > the grass dies, but spray it on weeds 3 inches from grass, and the small > amount that gets on the grass doesn't hurt it.

Re: Power and civilization

2012-12-02 Thread Klaus Stock
>>Unfortunately, we already have surplus crop and other produce. In order to > keep the price up, >>surplus is destroyed. > I goggled for that in the US, and it referred to this happening during the > Great Depression, when prices were so low during the deflationary era that > it wasn't worth the

RE: Power and civilization

2012-12-01 Thread Dan Minette
>Unfortunately, we already have surplus crop and other produce. In order to keep the price up, >surplus is destroyed. I goggled for that in the US, and it referred to this happening during the Great Depression, when prices were so low during the deflationary era that it wasn't worth the cost of b

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-30 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 11/29/2012 6:47:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, net_democr...@yahoo.com writes: > The measure of a civilization could be said to be > its consumption of energy and how it uses resources. > Conspicuous v. sustainable... > Jon > > From: medieva...@aol.com > Twas in

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-30 Thread Klaus Stock
> In fact, the other major sin of the Greens (in addition to being against > nuclear power) That's their political agenda. When the CDU announced that the nuclear power plants in Germany will be shut down, the greens were not alltogether sure if they really wanted that... ;-) > is the opposition

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-30 Thread Kevin O'Brien
On 11/29/2012 9:16 PM, Dan Minette wrote: They convinced Uganda that using fertilizer and insecticides was bad. That's why the crop yield is so low. Little grows and the insects get most of it. The US, on the other hand, uses insecticides in cycles so it's hard for the insects to develop immu

RE: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Jon Louis Mann Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:47 PM To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Power and civilization > The measure of a civilization could be said to be its consumption

Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Jon Louis Mann
> The measure of a civilization could be said to be > its consumption of energy and how it uses resources.  > Conspicuous v. sustainable...  > Jon > > From: medieva...@aol.com > Twas in Last And First Men, by Olaf Stapledon, > I think, where all future  > civilizations had their power based up

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread John Garcia
- > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:49:34 -0500 > Subject: Re: Power and civilization > From: john...@gmail.com > To: brin-l@mccmedia.com > > I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all > un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of bio-te

RE: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Pat Mathews
to a disagreement in the administration on whose watch it happens. There is a sequel; not sure there is a third. Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:49:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Power and civilization From: john...@gmail.com To: brin-l@mccmedia.com I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise

RE: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Dan Minette
>The measure of a civilization could be said to be it's consumption of energy and how it uses resources. >Conspicuous v. sustainable... At what point was civilization sustainable without depending on unknowable innovations in the future? It would have to be before steel, because blacksmithing

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread John Garcia
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is that all un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of bio-terrorism. In the middle of it right now, but so far it's scaring the spit out of me. john On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:26 PM, wrote: > ** > > Twas in Last And First Men, by Olaf

Re: Power and civilization

2012-11-29 Thread Medievalbk
Twas in Last And First Men, by Olaf Stapledon, I think, where all future civilizations had their power based upon alcohol. Nothing stored from the past was left. In a message dated 11/29/2012 12:58:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim, net_democr...@yahoo.com writes: The