On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
aren't you being self righteous about not being self righteous, olin?
if intolerance of intolerance is being self righteous, then i pleasd
guilty, too.
jon
I'm prejudiced against bigots.
Julia
At 05:45 PM Monday 9/1/2008, Julia Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
aren't you being self righteous about not being self righteous, olin?
if intolerance of intolerance is being self righteous, then i pleasd
guilty, too.
jon
I'm prejudiced against bigots.
at the presnet moment, I agree with you. But the history
of the left has more than its share of dogmatism,
irrationality, and craziness. Try suggesting on most
college campus that things like, say, the relative aptitudes
of men and women in different fields in an empiracal
question and
: Jon Louis Mannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: Sore losers
at the presnet moment, I agree with you. But the history
of the left has more than its share of dogmatism
On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many countries, and to
be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations where their
citizens actually believe they are better than other nations (like
some french, saudi, israeli,
national or
racial origin or original condition who is willing to learn the language, obey
the laws, and behave according to the values of the - let's be truthful here -
Empire.http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Sore losers
Date: Thu
, 2008 6:21 AM
Subject: RE: Sore losers
Nationalism is just another step in the ladder of Me and Not-Me, Family
and Not-Family, Tribe and Not-Tribe.And what is the next step after
nationalism? Judging from history and what I see around me, something very
similar to Citizen and Not-Citizen
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Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: Sore losers
On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many countries, and to
be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many
countries, and to
be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations
where their
citizens actually believe they are better than other
nations (like
some french, saudi, israeli, japanese citizens,
etc.).
jon
I think
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many
countries, and to
be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations
where their
citizens actually believe they are better than other
nations (like
some french, saudi, israeli, japanese citizens,
etc.).
jon
I think
nationalism is an aberration that is found in many
countries, and to
be abhorred. it is especially repugnant in nations
where their
citizens actually believe they are better than other
nations (like
some french, saudi, israeli, japanese citizens,
etc.).
jon
I think
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
nationalism is an aberration
found in many countries, and to be
abhorred. it is especially repugnant
in nations where their citizens actually
believe they are better than other nations...
Nationalism is not an aberration -- it is one of the human
constants.
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: Sore losers
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
nationalism is an aberration
found in many countries, and to be
abhorred. it is especially repugnant
in nations where their citizens actually
believe they are better than other nations
of course I'm being self-righteous -- notice that I was
very careful to use inclusive language throughout what I
wrote, even noting that we should all go back and read Dr.
Brin's article. I'm one of the worst -- only in the
last half-decade or so of my life have I learned to
(usually) avoid
-
From: Jon Louis Mannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussionmailto:brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Sore losers
of course I'm being self-righteous -- notice that I was
very careful to use inclusive language throughout
On 28/08/2008, at 6:36 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
i have to agree that rule britannia were less brutal than most of
the other european colonists.
Really? I'm sure Native Americans, original Australians (especially in
Tasmania where they were wiped out), the fuzzywuzzies who were made
to
On 28/08/2008, at 1:53 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Charlie wrote:
I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something to do with the
adverse
effect of the extreme amount of stress on a young, developing body?
If the
rule was arbitrary, why don't they have it for other sports?
They do.
At 11:06 PM Wednesday 8/27/2008, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Ronn! wrote:
What do you do when several times each year in your town kids get
shot dead in the park, walking down the street, standing on the
balcony outside their apartment door, or when a bullet comes through
the window or wall
Charlie Bell wrote:
Really? I'm sure Native Americans, original Australians (especially
in Tasmania where they were wiped out), the fuzzywuzzies who were
made to build railways in Africa and so on would disagree with
that. Britain has just as shameful a past in slavery and
On 28/08/2008, at 10:43 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Charlie Bell wrote:
Really? I'm sure Native Americans, original Australians (especially
in Tasmania where they were wiped out), the fuzzywuzzies who were
made to build railways in Africa and so on would disagree with
that. Britain has
i have to agree that rule britannia were less
brutal than most of the other european colonists.
jon
Really? I'm sure Native Americans, original Australians
(especially in
Tasmania where they were wiped out), the
fuzzywuzzies who were made
to build railways in Africa and so on
On 8/27/2008 12:10:37 AM, Warren Ockrassa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
You have a weird perspective. It
isn't that America is moving down,
it is
that so many are moving up into our realm.
Beg to differ. In the last three or so decades we've
William T Goodall wrote:
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt as long as he's
clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming during the opening
ceremony when everybody does it during these kind of events
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls,
Err... They were blasted 3 x 0 by the Brazilian volleyball girls :-P
Alberto Monteiro
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On 27/08/2008, at 12:27 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point
for bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is
unacceptable to the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist,
dogmatic, nationalistic media. Americans can
On 27/08/2008, at 3:26 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Jon wrote:
They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about
their
age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that
should be
eliminated.
I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something to do
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From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brin-L brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: Sore losers
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics?
Before the games started there were some
On 8/27/2008 6:11:29 AM, Alberto Monteiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt
as long as he's
clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming
during
The age of the gymnasts is not an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. My
daughter was in gymnastics for a while. Training at Olympic level is very hard
on growing bones and muscles, and it is easy for a youngster still growing to
do permanent damage to his or her body. My other daughter
xponent wrote:
You should see
what's happening here. We failed miserably where
we were expected to win gold medals: soccer (both genders), beach
volleyball (both genders) and volleyball (male). Of these, only
the female volleyball team got a gold medal. Let's
blame Beijing's polluted air!
On 8/27/2008 7:21:50 AM, Alberto Monteiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
xponent wrote:
You should see
what's happening here. We failed miserably where
we were expected to win gold medals: soccer (both genders), beach
volleyball (both genders) and volleyball (male). Of these, only
the
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:36 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics?
Who is doing this counting? I just searched Google News and what I see are
headlines like US pleased with Olympic medal count. I
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losers To: brin-l@mccmedia.com So why are the Americans counting total
medals instead of golds for the Olympics? And why the innuendo about
Usain Bolt as long as he's clean? And the manufactured fuss about
miming during the opening ceremony when everybody does
in the sci-fi
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To: brin-l@mccmedia.com Subject: Re: Sore losers Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008
20:10:25 -0700 On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote
On 27 Aug 2008, at 16:35, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:36 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics?
Who is doing this counting? I just searched Google News and what I
see are
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:49 PM, William T Goodall
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
On 27 Aug 2008, at 16:35, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:36 PM, William T Goodall
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics?
On 28/08/2008, at 1:35 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:36 PM, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics?
Who is doing this counting? I just searched Google News and what I
see are
The age of the gymnasts is not an arbitrary rule that should
be eliminated. My daughter was in gymnastics for a while.
Training at Olympic level is very hard on growing bones and
muscles, and it is easy for a youngster still growing to do
permanent damage to his or her body. My other
/
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:31:11 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Sore losers
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
The age of the gymnasts is not an arbitrary rule that should
be eliminated. My daughter was in gymnastics for a while.
Training at Olympic level is very hard on growing bones
They whine because they can't prove the Chinese
gymnasts lied about their
age. Who cares what age they are; that is an
arbitrary rule that should be
eliminated.
Jon
I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something
to do with the adverse
effect of the extreme amount of stress on
---Pat Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Training is fine; competition at the Olympic level and the
training necessary for *that* is too much for growing
bodies. Vault and beam are fine - kids do that sort of thing
for fun, in fact,and always have. But still, the Games
should be for adults.
I was going to respond to this in detail, but decided
not to. I just
wonder, if William has posted something with the same
tone about a
religious group, how many people would be all over him
right now. The
irony is, that I probably agree with some of what
you're
saying, but as
Ah. Gotcha. Yeah - we played sports, but today? Play? What's that? Something
you make a playdate for. Don't get me started; I think my grandbabies are
hideously overprotected.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:07:30 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Sore
You have a weird perspective. It isn't that America is
moving down, it is
that so many are moving up into our realm. And yes there
are many who see
this and react with paranoid insecurity, but they do not
make up anything
like a majority. Most people really don't care all that
much,
From: Tom F [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You realize of course the Killer Bs have only one British
inductee? I don't hate on Britannia. God save the Queen
and all that. I love every minute I've spent in GB.
However, I hate to point out the painfully obvious again but
you are registered and trading
Jeez dude, did you not get a hug today? As an average
'Yank' I can say with all honesty most of us could
give a ** about our medals. G Dub is an A-Hole. We get it.
Didn't we join this forum because we're interested
in science fiction?
From: Tom F [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sorry to offend you, tom,
Ah. Gotcha. Yeah - we played sports, but today? Play?
What's that? Something you make a playdate for.
Don't get me started; I think my grandbabies are
hideously overprotected.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
my older son had pop warner. i did play little league, but i had more fun
At 03:13 PM Wednesday 8/27/2008, Pat Mathews wrote:
Ah. Gotcha. Yeah - we played sports, but today? Play? What's that?
Something you make a playdate for. Don't get me started; I think my
grandbabies are hideously overprotected.
What do you do when several times each year in your town kids
On Aug 26, 2008, at 11:27 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
On 8/27/2008 12:10:37 AM, Warren Ockrassa ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
You have a weird perspective. It
isn't that America is moving down,
it is
that so many are moving up into our realm.
Beg
Bummer! Where were you living? Because my daughters escaped that, and this town
is a lot quieter now than it was then.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:16:40 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sore losers
At 03:13 PM
At 08:41 PM Wednesday 8/27/2008, Pat Mathews wrote:
Bummer! Where were you living? Because my daughters escaped that,
and this town is a lot quieter now than it was then.
Just recent events on the local news in Birmingham, AL.
And I'm not counting things like the discovery about a week or so
Charlie wrote:
I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something to do with the
adverse
effect of the extreme amount of stress on a young, developing body?
If the
rule was arbitrary, why don't they have it for other sports?
They do. Divers, 14. Fencers, 17. And so on.
That's
Ronn! wrote:
What do you do when several times each year in your town kids get
shot dead in the park, walking down the street, standing on the
balcony outside their apartment door, or when a bullet comes through
the window or wall (all of them being collateral damage rather than
the target
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of golds for
the olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt as long as he's
clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming during the opening
ceremony when everybody does it during these kind of events (the
Australians admitted
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of
golds for
the Olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt
as long as he's
clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming during
the opening
ceremony when everybody does it during these kind of events
(the
Australians
On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote:
Americans can not accept that they are on their way down, and no
longer first in everything.
Some might not be able to. Some of us have been saying so for years.
--
Warren Ockrassa
Blog | http://indigestible.nightwares.com/
Books |
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:27 PM
Subject: Sore losers
So why are the Americans counting total medals instead of
golds for
the Olympics? And why the innuendo about Usain Bolt
as long as he's
clean? And the manufactured fuss about miming during
the opening
ceremony
On 8/26/2008 9:27:15 PM, Jon Louis Mann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for
bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to
the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic
media.
On 8/26/2008 11:42:10 PM, Olin Elliott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for
bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to
the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic
media.
On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:49 PM, Rceeberger wrote:
You have a weird perspective. It isn't that America is moving down,
it is
that so many are moving up into our realm.
Beg to differ. In the last three or so decades we've seen a rise in
disparagement of education,* particularly in the
Jon wrote:
They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their
age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be
eliminated.
I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something to do with the adverse
effect of the extreme amount of stress on
At 09:52 PM 11/10/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Half of America apologizes to the world:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
I'm tempted to mention something about allegiance to a foreign power
here, but I won't dwell on it.
Rather, I'd point out that I think that there is something vaguely
On Nov 11, 2004, at 9:47 AM, JDG wrote:
At 09:52 PM 11/10/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Half of America apologizes to the world:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
I'm tempted to mention something about allegiance to a foreign power
here, but I won't dwell on it.
Ah. Exercising first
JDG wrote:
At 09:52 PM 11/10/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
Half of America apologizes to the world:
http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
I'm tempted to mention something about allegiance to a foreign power
here, but I won't dwell on it.
Which foreign power?
Rather, I'd point out that I think that
I'm tempted to mention something about allegiance
to a foreign power
here, but I won't dwell on it.
Utterly ridiculous leap of faith here, John.
Rather, I'd point out that I think that there is
something vaguely
unsettling about being sorry for America being a
democratic republic.
And
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