RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Julia
The old people don't equate to the old culture. There's a fairly large intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or improper) of the other. Old people, or more to the point, their lobbies (think AARP) wield a fair amount of political power right now. That's where the Social

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia ju...@zurg.net wrote: The old people don't equate to the old culture.  There's a fairly large intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or improper) of the other. I understand that, but as you say, there's a fairly large intersection of the

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread anarien
There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if anything out of them but don't grouse too much about paying for those already in their golden years. - jmh Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Pat Mathews
Besides which, we greedy geezers will pass our ill-gotten wealth down to you hard-pressed Xers and your children in due time via the normal process of inheritance, if the medical bills needed to keep us functioning don't eat every last bit of it up. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com wrote: Besides which, we greedy geezers will pass our ill-gotten wealth down to you hard-pressed Xers and your children in due time via the normal process of inheritance, if the medical bills needed to keep us functioning don't

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Brad DeLong
Better engineers, and more of them? Lots of Stanford and Berkeley engineering graduates to hire? When I talked about this last year with the Google people, they said that they still believed that you got more dollars for your money hiring engineers in Mountain View than in Durham or Austin.

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Dan Minette
From: brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com [mailto:brin-l-boun...@mccmedia.com] On Behalf Of Brad DeLong Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:21 AM To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion Subject: Re: Down with the government Better engineers, and more of them?

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Pat Mathews
There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills common today. Call around and ask what various procedures and prescription medications cost. I have insurance because I worked for a University. A lot of people were unable to

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Bruce Bostwick wrote: In other words, we have a continuing culture ware against a backdrop of change that is rapidly making the old culture obsolete. Well put. I might add that the old culture is becoming at least vaguely aware of their increasing marginality, irrelevance, and

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com wrote: There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills common today. If true, then by what magic of aggregation can a group of such people afford something

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Dan Minette
There is NO WAY an ordinary wage-earner could have saved enough to cover the sort of insurance-inflated medical bills common today. If true, then by what magic of aggregation can a group of such people afford something that most individuals cannot afford? There are only two possibilities I can

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote: I have tended not to answer you John because I have not been able to solve the problem of dialog with you.  Whenever I use facts or correlations to support an argument you point to the causal density of economics (not your

RE: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Pat Mathews
Okay. Have it your way. We/they didn't save enough and consume health care with reckless abandon. May you never be in the workplace where the clerk, knowing that one must never, ever, consume health care one cannot afford, comes to work with the flu. http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/

Culture wars (was Down with the government)

2010-10-19 Thread Jon Louis Mann
I'm not saying that everything coming out of Garrett's interview with Bernanke is not worth considering only because of his party affiliation. I am saying that from my perspective his agenda sucks, so I am judging him by his group, as far as that goes. These are people who know how to twist

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Dave Land
On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:18 AM, anar...@gmail.com wrote: There's also people like me who figure I'll not see much, if anything out of them but don't grouse too much about paying for those already in their golden years. For many years, this is how I have understood Social Security: It's

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Pat Mathews mathew...@msn.com wrote: Okay. Have it your way. We/they didn't save enough and consume health care with reckless abandon. May you never be in the workplace where the clerk, knowing that one must never, ever, consume health care one cannot afford,

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread Bruce Bostwick
On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia ju...@zurg.net wrote: The old people don't equate to the old culture. There's a fairly large intersection of the two, but neither is a subset (proper or improper) of the other.

Re: Down with the government

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Bruce Bostwick lihan161...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Oct 19, 2010, at 8:53 AM, John Williams jwilliams4...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Julia ju...@zurg.net wrote: The old people don't equate to the old culture.  There's a fairly large

Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-19 Thread Dan Minette
Well, I decided to answer my own question. At www1.salary.com they give the average starting salary for an EE in the US as 59,646, but in the SF area it is about 74,700. So, that is about a 25% premium. At simplyhired.com they state that the average EE salary in the SF area is $87k/year.

Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-19 Thread John Williams
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Dan Minette danmine...@att.net wrote: they give the average starting salary for an EE in the US as 59,646, but in the SF area it is about 74,700.  So, that is about a 25% premium.  At simplyhired.com they state that the average EE salary in the SF area is

Re: Starting Engineer's Salaries

2010-10-19 Thread Brad DeLong
Don't get me wrong. I like Austin a lot. But if--after her last summer's trip to Austin and dinner at the Salt Lick--I were to propose to my wife that we move from Berkeley to Austin so that we could double the size of our house and live fifteen minutes closer to the center... well, I don't want