On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:48 PM, David Hobby wrote:
The Christian nation bit rubs me the wrong way
too. Probably because I've heard it used to justify
things I strongly disagree with.
---David
One last comment on my wife's suggestion and I think we may have
On 24/09/2009, at 12:35 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:48 PM, David Hobby wrote:
The Christian nation bit rubs me the wrong way
too. Probably because I've heard it used to justify
things I strongly disagree with.
---David
One last comment
Chris wrote:
One last comment on my wife's suggestion and I think we may have
exhausted this thread.
No!!! I'm still getting caught up and haven't found the original post. Add
to that I get the digest, and I might have .02 to add. =+))
And what's a Jaffa cake?
Amities,
Jo Anne
On 24/09/2009, at 7:08 AM, Jo Anne wrote:
And what's a Jaffa cake?
A kind of biccie (or possibly a cake?). A sort of sponge base with an
orangey bit and a chocalate covering on one side. :)
Charlie.
___
Dave wrote:
Amen, brother! I think that the harsh immune response from some quarters
to the merest mention of religion is a symptom of our general inability to
be generous, kind, civil, open and _listening_.
Yes but, calling the U.S. a Christian nation is a little beyond the
merest mention.
On 22/09/2009, at 7:57 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
A referral to Religion without being specific often sparks a
response on this list.
Sure, but this isn't one of those times. Asking non-Christians and
Christians alike to be more civil is one thing - civility in discourse
is one thing.
On Sep 22, 2009, at 1:36 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Yes but, calling the U.S. a Christian nation is a little beyond the
merest mention.
More than a little, although in this case, the usage didn't seem to be
malicious.
The origin of that phrase is a multilayered equivocation on the part
On Sep 22, 2009, at 3:20 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 22/09/2009, at 7:57 AM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
A referral to Religion without being specific often sparks a
response on this list.
Sure, but this isn't one of those times. Asking non-Christians and
Christians alike to be more civil is
On 22/09/2009, at 11:24 PM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
Being civil has nothing to do with respecting beliefs. Being civil
means not being unnecessarily offensive while pointing out where
beliefs are damaging our societies. Some beliefs deserve ZERO
respect (creationism, anti-vaccinationism
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.orgwrote:
That's the widely perceived view of them, yes. Doesn't totally hold water
if you actually read the New Testament, but yes - if people tried to act a
bit nicer to each other we'd be better off.
I know what you mean,
On 23/09/2009, at 1:46 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I know what you mean, I think, but I've stopped using the word
nice to describe it. I know churches that are perfectly nice to
gays, for example, but in doing so pretty much fail to accept them.
Sort of a welcome to our church, we're glad
be polite
be taken over by the rabid culture warriors? Gaah.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:46:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Wife's suggestion!
From: nick.arn...@gmail.com
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Charlie Bell char...@culturelist.org wrote
Folks,
I admire the work done by the Public Conversations Project:
http://publicconversations.org/
Their purpose is to facilitate conversations about hotly contested
issues, training leaders and participants to avoid position-taking
and recitation of talking-points and focus instead on
On Sep 22, 2009, at 3:20 AM, Charlie Bell wrote:
I agree with Bruce that in general lessons ascribed to Jesus are
about love and acceptance of the other.
That's the widely perceived view of them, yes. Doesn't totally hold
water if you actually read the New Testament, but yes - if people
On Sep 22, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Charlie Bell
char...@culturelist.org wrote:
That's the widely perceived view of them, yes. Doesn't totally hold
water if you actually read the New Testament, but yes - if people
tried to act a bit nicer
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Michael Harney
dolp...@mikes3dgallery.comwrote:
Oh, as for an example of Jesus not respectfully disagreeing, call to
your recollection what
Jesus did to the vendors in the temple. I believe it had something to do
with shouting,
throwing over tables, smashing
On 23/09/2009, at 2:37 AM, Pat Mathews wrote:
We started with a plea for civility and niceness. Because it invoked
religion and the name of Jesus, the thread was promptly taken over
by those who felt it their bounden duty to object to the Christian
content - not on the grunds that they
If I was uncivil, I apologize. I said what it appeared to me to be, but I may
be wrong. At any rate, this was addressed, not to those who considered the plea
ineffective, but those who began religious arguments.
Pat
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
Subject: Re: Wife's suggestion
On 23/09/2009, at 8:26 AM, Pat Mathews wrote:
If I was uncivil, I apologize. I said what it appeared to me to be,
but I may be wrong. At any rate, this was addressed, not to those
who considered the plea ineffective, but those who began religious
arguments.
Well, this is a list where we
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 23/09/2009, at 8:26 AM, Pat Mathews wrote:
If I was uncivil, I apologize. I said what it appeared to me to be,
but I may be wrong. At any rate, this was addressed, not to those who
considered the plea ineffective, but those who began religious arguments.
Well, this
On Sep 21, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Chris Frandsen relayed:
Bottom line—We profess to be a Christian nation. It is appropriate
to ask, “What would Jesus say and do?” I imagine he disagreed with
the actions of those cheating tax collectors and adulterous women he
befriended. Yet, we have no
Chris Frandsen wrote:
My wife suggested this. I always go along with her ideas:-)
learner
Begin forwarded message:
Hey! Let’s circulate a request for common courtesy and civility
between individuals and groups with opposing ideas.
I don’t know about you, but I have become increasingly
Amen. I second, third, or thousandth the motion.
Pat
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
From: lear...@mac.com
Subject: Wife's suggestion!
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:09:36 -0500
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
My wife suggested this. I always go along with her ideas:-)
learner
Begin forwarded
On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Michael Harney wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Not in appealing to people to be
respectful in disagreements, but in appealing to the religious What
would Jesus do? to do so. Rationality promotes calm debate.
Sadly, religion is not conducive to
On Sep 21, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Chris Frandsen wrote:
A referral to Religion without being specific often sparks a
response on this list. My wife is not a follower so she did not
write this with this illustrious group in mind. Guys, I suggest
taking her to task on this is part of the problem.
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