Re: [BVARC] YES!!!! Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

[Ravi Patrick Ratnala via BVARC]

  
  
Quote:  "Ravi, the 'private' wording on the list signup page refers
to the ability to access the raw email addresses of the list
subscribers"

I think you may have meant "Kori."  I haven't weighed in on this
topic (yet).

73, Ravi N5OL

On 2/3/2021 11:34 AM, Jimmy Vance via
  BVARC wrote:


  
  
  
  On the ULS, you can get name and address
  On QRZ, you get the same info available from the ULS, as that is
  where they get their primary data. You can choose to display more
  if you want to. Only registered and logged in QRZ members can see
  a listed email address and you can choose to list an email or not
  
  Eddie, I think we all know that you can see some of our
  information in several places on the web.  Until today I and a few
  others I've spoken with since this thread started were unaware
  that the bvarc listserve emails were available in a searchable
  public web archive.
  
  If you go to the BVARC listserver page to sign up for the list, or
  to the listserver page sent out in the monthly reminder notice,
  there is a link to access archives, but if you try to access the
  link, you get a message that states the archives are not
  available. 
  
  The BVARC Archives
  
  You can get more information about this list.
  Currently, there are no archives.
  
  I think we all could agree that a person could safely assume from
  this message that the list emails are not being archived on the
  web as it is an optional feature of the listserve software. (Well
  at least for those of us that have managed or run a mailman server
  know archives are an option) There is no mention on any of the
  listserve pages that all emails through the list server are being
  gathered and stored on a system not under the control of BVARC and
  available to anyone on the internet.  While a mailing list is by
  no means private or secure as anyone on the list could 'share'
  whatever lands in their inbox; additional steps are required to
  share the content from list emails.  The mail archive service is
  getting the messages directly and presenting them to anyone, not
  just those subscribed to the list.  While it looks like the mail
  archive systems tries to obfuscate email addresses, from what I
  can tell it does nothing to 'hide' phone numbers.
  
  When one posts message on a 'web forum' or 'news group' the
  expectation is pretty much anyone on the internet can read it. 
  When one sends an email to an organizations email list, the
  general expectation is only those subscribed to the email list are
  going to be the ones to see it 
  
  
  Ravi, the 'private' wording on the list signup page refers to the
  ability to access the raw email addresses of the list subscribers
  
  
  --jv
  
  
  On 2/3/2021 9:35 AM, Eddie Runner via
BVARC wrote:
  
  

  Traditionally, HAMS have
used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS and other
  correspondence
worldwide... 
  
  
  On the HAM bands it is very
common to hear one ham tell another 
  that he is good on
QRZ  
  
  
  that means his address is
up to date with the FCC if someone
  wants to contact him..   
  
  
  On our local repeaters, it
is common to hear one of our members
  tell someone he is good on
the roster..  meaning his contact info is up to date..
  
  
  this is what hams do   
!
  
  
  We have in the last few
years made a provision in our BVARC record keeping
  that can keep the info on
file but only show on our online roster name and call sign..
  
  
  We have the ability (IF
ASKED) to make the phone private..
  And we also have the
ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the
public roster...
  
  
  (to become private please
email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his email... 
Just kidding, 
  email: w...@bvarc.org.. 
or me directly  eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I
maintain the website )
  
  
  HOWEVER.. You will show up
on QRZ.com and many other websites including the FCCs
website.
  So making yourself private
on BVARC is very tiny compared to your ham information
covering the globe
  with many many other
websites that WILL NOT remove you..
  
  
  

Re: [BVARC] YES!!!! Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

[Eddie Runner via BVARC]

 the archives are herehttps://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/ 

Eddie
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 11:34:28 AM CST, Jimmy Vance via BVARC 
 wrote:  
 
  
 
 On the ULS, you can get name and address
 On QRZ, you get the same info available from the ULS, as that is where they 
get their primary data. You can choose to display more if you want to. Only 
registered and logged in QRZ members can see a listed email address and you can 
choose to list an email or not
 
 Eddie, I think we all know that you can see some of our information in several 
places on the web.  Until today I and a few others I've spoken with since this 
thread started were unaware that the bvarc listserve emails were available in a 
searchable public web archive.
 
 If you go to the BVARC listserver page to sign up for the list, or to the 
listserver page sent out in the monthly reminder notice, there is a link to 
access archives, but if you try to access the link, you get a message that 
states the archives are not available. 
 
 
The BVARC Archives
 
 
You can get more information about this list.
 
Currently, there are no archives.
 
 I think we all could agree that a person could safely assume from this message 
that the list emails are not being archived on the web as it is an optional 
feature of the listserve software. (Well at least for those of us that have 
managed or run a mailman server know archives are an option) There is no 
mention on any of the listserve pages that all emails through the list server 
are being gathered and stored on a system not under the control of BVARC and 
available to anyone on the internet.  While a mailing list is by no means 
private or secure as anyone on the list could 'share' whatever lands in their 
inbox; additional steps are required to share the content from list emails.  
The mail archive service is getting the messages directly and presenting them 
to anyone, not just those subscribed to the list.  While it looks like the mail 
archive systems tries to obfuscate email addresses, from what I can tell it 
does nothing to 'hide' phone numbers.
 
 When one posts message on a 'web forum' or 'news group' the expectation is 
pretty much anyone on the internet can read it.  When one sends an email to an 
organizations email list, the general expectation is only those subscribed to 
the email list are going to be the ones to see it 
 
 
 Ravi, the 'private' wording on the list signup page refers to the ability to 
access the raw email addresses of the list subscribers
 
 
 --jv
 
 
 On 2/3/2021 9:35 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:
  
  Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS 
and other correspondence worldwide...  
  On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another  that he is 
good on QRZ   
  that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someone wants to contact 
him..    
  On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our members tell someone 
he is good on the roster..  meaning his contact info is up to date.. 
  this is what hams do    ! 
  We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keeping 
that can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and call 
sign.. 
  We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private.. And we also have 
the ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the public roster... 
  (to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his 
email...  Just kidding,  email: w...@bvarc.org..  or me directly  
eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I maintain the website ) 
  HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the 
FCCs website. So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your 
ham information covering the globe with many many other websites that WILL NOT 
remove you.. 
  In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the 
BVARC REFLECTORs past messages..  (bv...@bvarc.com reflector is shared to other 
users (club members and some non club menbers) and also shared on the web 
publicly from our website.. 
  Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so 
folks can find out about ham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur 
Radio Club!!!     (patting myself on the back for a job well done... ) 
  Eddie Runner    eddie.run...@yahoo.com   NU5K 
  
  
  
  On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via 
BVARC  wrote:  
  
 I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too.  I'd rather that not 
be publicly posted. 
  -K15MKV  
   On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC  wrote:
  
 Hello all!
 
 So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating 
again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the club 
list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression these 
emails were for club members ONLY. 

Re: [BVARC] YES!!!! Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

[Eddie Runner via BVARC]

 the archives are here
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 11:34:28 AM CST, Jimmy Vance via BVARC 
 wrote:  
 
  
 
 On the ULS, you can get name and address
 On QRZ, you get the same info available from the ULS, as that is where they 
get their primary data. You can choose to display more if you want to. Only 
registered and logged in QRZ members can see a listed email address and you can 
choose to list an email or not
 
 Eddie, I think we all know that you can see some of our information in several 
places on the web.  Until today I and a few others I've spoken with since this 
thread started were unaware that the bvarc listserve emails were available in a 
searchable public web archive.
 
 If you go to the BVARC listserver page to sign up for the list, or to the 
listserver page sent out in the monthly reminder notice, there is a link to 
access archives, but if you try to access the link, you get a message that 
states the archives are not available. 
 
 
The BVARC Archives
 
 
You can get more information about this list.
 
Currently, there are no archives.
 
 I think we all could agree that a person could safely assume from this message 
that the list emails are not being archived on the web as it is an optional 
feature of the listserve software. (Well at least for those of us that have 
managed or run a mailman server know archives are an option) There is no 
mention on any of the listserve pages that all emails through the list server 
are being gathered and stored on a system not under the control of BVARC and 
available to anyone on the internet.  While a mailing list is by no means 
private or secure as anyone on the list could 'share' whatever lands in their 
inbox; additional steps are required to share the content from list emails.  
The mail archive service is getting the messages directly and presenting them 
to anyone, not just those subscribed to the list.  While it looks like the mail 
archive systems tries to obfuscate email addresses, from what I can tell it 
does nothing to 'hide' phone numbers.
 
 When one posts message on a 'web forum' or 'news group' the expectation is 
pretty much anyone on the internet can read it.  When one sends an email to an 
organizations email list, the general expectation is only those subscribed to 
the email list are going to be the ones to see it 
 
 
 Ravi, the 'private' wording on the list signup page refers to the ability to 
access the raw email addresses of the list subscribers
 
 
 --jv
 
 
 On 2/3/2021 9:35 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:
  
  Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS 
and other correspondence worldwide...  
  On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another  that he is 
good on QRZ   
  that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someone wants to contact 
him..    
  On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our members tell someone 
he is good on the roster..  meaning his contact info is up to date.. 
  this is what hams do    ! 
  We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keeping 
that can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and call 
sign.. 
  We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private.. And we also have 
the ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the public roster... 
  (to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his 
email...  Just kidding,  email: w...@bvarc.org..  or me directly  
eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I maintain the website ) 
  HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the 
FCCs website. So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your 
ham information covering the globe with many many other websites that WILL NOT 
remove you.. 
  In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the 
BVARC REFLECTORs past messages..  (bv...@bvarc.com reflector is shared to other 
users (club members and some non club menbers) and also shared on the web 
publicly from our website.. 
  Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so 
folks can find out about ham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur 
Radio Club!!!     (patting myself on the back for a job well done... ) 
  Eddie Runner    eddie.run...@yahoo.com   NU5K 
  
  
  
  On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via 
BVARC  wrote:  
  
 I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too.  I'd rather that not 
be publicly posted. 
  -K15MKV  
   On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC  wrote:
  
 Hello all!
 
 So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating 
again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the club 
list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression these 
emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted to the 
public and 

Re: [BVARC] YES!!!! Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

[Jimmy Vance via BVARC]

On the ULS, you can get name and address
On QRZ, you get the same info available from the ULS, as that is where 
they get their primary data. You can choose to display more if you want 
to. Only registered and logged in QRZ members can see a listed email 
address and you can choose to list an email or not


Eddie, I think we all know that you can see some of our information in 
several places on the web.  Until today I and a few others I've spoken 
with since this thread started were unaware that the bvarc listserve 
emails were available in a searchable public web archive.


If you go to the BVARC listserver page to sign up for the list, or to 
the listserver page sent out in the monthly reminder notice, there is a 
link to access archives, but if you try to access the link, you get a 
message that states the archives are not available.



 The BVARC Archives

You can getmore information about this list 
.


Currently, there are no archives.


I think we all could agree that a person could safely assume from this 
message that the list emails are not being archived on the web as it is 
an optional feature of the listserve software. (Well at least for those 
of us that have managed or run a mailman server know archives are an 
option) There is no mention on any of the listserve pages that all 
emails through the list server are being gathered and stored on a system 
not under the control of BVARC and available to anyone on the internet.  
While a mailing list is by no means private or secure as anyone on the 
list could 'share' whatever lands in their inbox; additional steps are 
required to share the content from list emails.  The mail archive 
service is getting the messages directly and presenting them to anyone, 
not just those subscribed to the list.  While it looks like the mail 
archive systems tries to obfuscate email addresses, from what I can tell 
it does nothing to 'hide' phone numbers.


When one posts message on a 'web forum' or 'news group' the expectation 
is pretty much anyone on the internet can read it.  When one sends an 
email to an organizations email list, the general expectation is only 
those subscribed to the email list are going to be the ones to see it



Ravi, the 'private' wording on the list signup page refers to the 
ability to access the raw email addresses of the list subscribers



--jv


On 2/3/2021 9:35 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:
Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL 
CARDS and other

correspondence worldwide...

On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another
that he is good on QRZ

that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someone
wants to contact him..

On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our members
tell someone he is good on the roster..  meaning his contact info is 
up to date..


this is what hams do !

We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keeping
that can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name 
and call sign..


We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private..
And we also have the ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all 
in the public roster...


(to become private please email: /whoops, that guy doesn't want to 
share his email/... Just kidding,
email: w...@bvarc.org..  or me directly  eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I 
maintain the website )


HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites 
including the FCCs website.
So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your ham 
information covering the globe

with many many other websites that WILL NOT remove you..

In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of 
the BVARC REFLECTORs past
messages.. (bv...@bvarc.com reflector is shared to other users (club 
members and some non club menbers)

and also shared on the web publicly from our website..

Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines 
so folks can find out about

ham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club!!!
(patting myself on the back for a job well done... )

Eddie Runner eddie.run...@yahoo.com   NU5K




On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via 
BVARC  wrote:



I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too.  I'd rather that 
not be publicly posted.


-K15MKV

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC > wrote:


Hello all!

So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be
stating again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my
personal email to the club list. I was... kinda shocked and
surprised. I was under the impression these emails were for club
members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted to the public
and I'm concerned about that. I have personal information in my
signature (name, phone number 

Re: [BVARC] YES!!!! Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

[Jeff Greer via BVARC]

Apologies for the confusion here.  Our "welcome letter" email states:

You are currently publicly listed on our website's roster.  If you wish to be 
unlisted, let me know, and I can hide your information.  We have a few members 
who wish to do this for security reasons, but most of us remain public.  If you 
prefer to be unlisted, please let me know.

...but maybe that language should be updated to state explicitly that that 
includes email address and phone number.  Again, my apologies - I'm old enough 
to remember when everybody's phone number and home address was in the phone 
book delivered to every house in town, so I am perhaps less sensitive to having 
that information out there.  (I'm also a security-sensitive IT manager who's 
had the same hotmail account for years and gets tons of phishing/spearphishing 
attacks, which I routinely report and delete...  I've also been SIM-jacked - 
thanks, T-Mobile! - and had a couple of attempts at identity theft.  But I 
still have my cell phone number listed on my Facebook page in case an old 
friend from high school or whatever wants to give me a shout...)  A good BS 
detector will keep you out of more trouble than multifactor authentication, a 
trait that I desperately try to instill in my user community.

Kori, let me know what info, if any, you want hidden.

I have hidden William E.'s info and made Brad's phone number unlisted, as 
requested in this thread.

Thanks for your patience with me,

-Jeff Greer W5JEF
BVARC Corresponding Secretary
gree...@hotmail.com/w5...@outlook.com
281-989-5798


From: BVARC  on behalf of mark janzer via BVARC 

Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 10:01 AM
To: BRAZOS VALLEY AMATEUR RADIO CLUB 
Cc: mark janzer ; William Elliott 
Subject: Re: [BVARC] YES Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

FWIW, my email and phone number is plastered all over the website, email 
blasts, newsletters, etc. for the VE Testing.
I've not experienced much unwanted spam or oddball phone calls, other than the 
typical robocalls that are subsequently blocked.

Consider too, registering on the national nocall list to blunt some (but not 
all) of the telemarketing calls - National Do Not Call 
Registry<https://www.donotcall.gov/>

<https://www.donotcall.gov/>
National Do Not Call Registry

I also do not Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, LinkedIn or any of those platforms 
where I'm their product...

73
Mark
K5MGJ


On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 09:35:56 AM CST, Eddie Runner via BVARC 
 wrote:


Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS and 
other
correspondence worldwide...

On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another
that he is good on QRZ

that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someone
wants to contact him..

On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our members
tell someone he is good on the roster..  meaning his contact info is up to 
date..

this is what hams do!

We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keeping
that can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and call 
sign..

We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private..
And we also have the ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the 
public roster...

(to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his 
email...  Just kidding,
email: w...@bvarc.org..  or me directly  eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I maintain 
the website )

HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the 
FCCs website.
So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your ham 
information covering the globe
with many many other websites that WILL NOT remove you..

In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the BVARC 
REFLECTORs past
messages..  (bv...@bvarc.com reflector is shared to other users (club members 
and some non club menbers)
and also shared on the web publicly from our website..

Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so folks 
can find out about
ham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club!!!
(patting myself on the back for a job well done... )

Eddie Runnereddie.run...@yahoo.com   NU5K




On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via BVARC 
 wrote:


I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too.  I'd rather that not be 
publicly posted.

-K15MKV

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC 
mailto:bvarc@bvarc.org>> wrote:
Hello all!

So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating 
again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the club 
list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression these 
emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted to the 
public and I'm concerned about that. I have personal 

Re: [BVARC] YES!!!! Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

[mark janzer via BVARC]

 FWIW, my email and phone number is plastered all over the website, email 
blasts, newsletters, etc. for the VE Testing.I've not experienced much unwanted 
spam or oddball phone calls, other than the typical robocalls that are 
subsequently blocked.
Consider too, registering on the national nocall list to blunt some (but not 
all) of the telemarketing calls - National Do Not Call Registry

| 
| 
|  | 
National Do Not Call Registry


 |

 |

 |


I also do not Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, LinkedIn or any of those platforms 
where I'm their product...
73MarkK5MGJ

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 09:35:56 AM CST, Eddie Runner via BVARC 
 wrote:  
 
  Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS 
and othercorrespondence worldwide... 
On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another that he is good 
on QRZ  
that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someonewants to contact 
him..   
On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our memberstell someone he 
is good on the roster..  meaning his contact info is up to date..
this is what hams do    !
We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keepingthat 
can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and call 
sign..
We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private..And we also have the 
ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the public roster...
(to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his 
email...  Just kidding, email: w...@bvarc.org..  or me directly  
eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I maintain the website )
HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the 
FCCs website.So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your 
ham information covering the globewith many many other websites that WILL NOT 
remove you..
In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the BVARC 
REFLECTORs pastmessages..  (bv...@bvarc.com reflector is shared to other users 
(club members and some non club menbers)and also shared on the web publicly 
from our website..
Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so folks 
can find out aboutham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur Radio 
Club!!!    (patting myself on the back for a job well done... )
Eddie Runner    eddie.run...@yahoo.com   NU5K



On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via BVARC 
 wrote:  
 
 I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too.  I'd rather that not be 
publicly posted.
-K15MKV
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC  wrote:

Hello all!

So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating 
again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the club 
list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression these 
emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted to the 
public and I'm concerned about that. I have personal information in my 
signature (name, phone number etc. which may be used to send me spam calls) 
that could easily be parsed by an algorithm... This seems like a major security 
issue to me and should be fixed. I have to wonder who is sending these emails 
to this website??? If the club is doing this they should inform us that 
anything we say on this list is not a private email but a public statement to 
all of the internet and everyone on the planet.
I would appreciate some feedback on this and how this email I sent to the club 
was posted publicly on the internet for all the world to see Maybe this is 
the intent of the club, but I will certainly think twice about sending anything 
out now and censoring my email signature. This must be laid out clearly to all 
new members.
One of many offending post:  
https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/msg09908.html  

The use of the word "Private" is extensive in this page I was sent with my 
welcome to the list:
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
Look I'm not SUPER diligent about reading absolutely everything I get, but 
this seems like an extremely important thing to tell folks... I've been a 
member for about 2 months so maybe this has been brought up before. I just feel 
there needs to be more transparency if this is how it is.


- My call is in the offending link

Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club

BVARC mailing list
BVARC@bvarc.org
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org


Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club

BVARC mailing list
BVARC@bvarc.org
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Re: [BVARC] YES!!!! Our email list is publicly available?!?!?!?!?

[Michael Giannaccio via BVARC]

I don’t really mind having my call sign, address, and email public. If you own 
a home your address is public record anyway.

However I did not realize that every (I assume) email sent on this reflector is 
archived and available to the public here: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=all=BVARC.org

I think it’s important people know very clearly up front so they don’t 
accidentally write an email they want available to the public. I’m not a big 
fan of this being public but I can see utility of it.

73,

Mike Giannaccio
KI5LFZ

> On Feb 3, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC  wrote:
> 
> 
> Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS 
> and other
> correspondence worldwide... 
> 
> On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another 
> that he is good on QRZ  
> 
> that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someone
> wants to contact him..   
> 
> On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our members
> tell someone he is good on the roster..  meaning his contact info is up to 
> date..
> 
> this is what hams do!
> 
> We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keeping
> that can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and 
> call sign..
> 
> We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private..
> And we also have the ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the 
> public roster...
> 
> (to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his 
> email...  Just kidding, 
> email: w...@bvarc.org..  or me directly  eddie.run...@yahoo.com as I maintain 
> the website )
> 
> HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the 
> FCCs website.
> So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your ham 
> information covering the globe
> with many many other websites that WILL NOT remove you..
> 
> In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the 
> BVARC REFLECTORs past
> messages..  (bv...@bvarc.com reflector is shared to other users (club members 
> and some non club menbers)
> and also shared on the web publicly from our website..
> 
> Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so 
> folks can find out about
> ham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club!!!
> (patting myself on the back for a job well done... )
> 
> Eddie Runnereddie.run...@yahoo.com   NU5K
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via BVARC 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too.  I'd rather that not be 
> publicly posted.
> 
> -K15MKV
> 
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC  wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating 
> again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the 
> club list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression 
> these emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted 
> to the public and I'm concerned about that. I have personal information in my 
> signature (name, phone number etc. which may be used to send me spam calls) 
> that could easily be parsed by an algorithm... This seems like a major 
> security issue to me and should be fixed. I have to wonder who is sending 
> these emails to this website??? If the club is doing this they should inform 
> us that anything we say on this list is not a private email but a public 
> statement to all of the internet and everyone on the planet.
> 
> I would appreciate some feedback on this and how this email I sent to the 
> club was posted publicly on the internet for all the world to see Maybe 
> this is the intent of the club, but I will certainly think twice about 
> sending anything out now and censoring my email signature. This must be laid 
> out clearly to all new members.
> 
> One of many offending post:
>   https://www.mail-archive.com/bvarc@bvarc.org/msg09908.html  
> 
> The use of the word "Private" is extensive in this page I was sent with my 
> welcome to the list:
> http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
> 
> Look I'm not SUPER diligent about reading absolutely everything I get, 
> but this seems like an extremely important thing to tell folks... I've been a 
> member for about 2 months so maybe this has been brought up before. I just 
> feel there needs to be more transparency if this is how it is.
> 
> - My call is in the offending link
> 
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