the archives are herehttps://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
Eddie
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 11:34:28 AM CST, Jimmy Vance via BVARC
<[email protected]> wrote:
On the ULS, you can get name and address
On QRZ, you get the same info available from the ULS, as that is where they
get their primary data. You can choose to display more if you want to. Only
registered and logged in QRZ members can see a listed email address and you can
choose to list an email or not
Eddie, I think we all know that you can see some of our information in several
places on the web. Until today I and a few others I've spoken with since this
thread started were unaware that the bvarc listserve emails were available in a
searchable public web archive.
If you go to the BVARC listserver page to sign up for the list, or to the
listserver page sent out in the monthly reminder notice, there is a link to
access archives, but if you try to access the link, you get a message that
states the archives are not available.
The BVARC Archives
You can get more information about this list.
Currently, there are no archives.
I think we all could agree that a person could safely assume from this message
that the list emails are not being archived on the web as it is an optional
feature of the listserve software. (Well at least for those of us that have
managed or run a mailman server know archives are an option) There is no
mention on any of the listserve pages that all emails through the list server
are being gathered and stored on a system not under the control of BVARC and
available to anyone on the internet. While a mailing list is by no means
private or secure as anyone on the list could 'share' whatever lands in their
inbox; additional steps are required to share the content from list emails.
The mail archive service is getting the messages directly and presenting them
to anyone, not just those subscribed to the list. While it looks like the mail
archive systems tries to obfuscate email addresses, from what I can tell it
does nothing to 'hide' phone numbers.
When one posts message on a 'web forum' or 'news group' the expectation is
pretty much anyone on the internet can read it. When one sends an email to an
organizations email list, the general expectation is only those subscribed to
the email list are going to be the ones to see it
Ravi, the 'private' wording on the list signup page refers to the ability to
access the raw email addresses of the list subscribers
--jv
On 2/3/2021 9:35 AM, Eddie Runner via BVARC wrote:
Traditionally, HAMS have used the public information to exchange QSL CARDS
and other correspondence worldwide...
On the HAM bands it is very common to hear one ham tell another that he is
good on QRZ....
that means his address is up to date with the FCC if someone wants to contact
him..
On our local repeaters, it is common to hear one of our members tell someone
he is good on the roster.. meaning his contact info is up to date..
this is what hams do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have in the last few years made a provision in our BVARC record keeping
that can keep the info on file but only show on our online roster name and call
sign..
We have the ability (IF ASKED) to make the phone private.. And we also have
the ability (IF ASKED) to make you not show up at all in the public roster...
(to become private please email: whoops, that guy doesn't want to share his
email... Just kidding, email: [email protected].. or me directly
[email protected] as I maintain the website )
HOWEVER.. You will show up on QRZ.com and many other websites including the
FCCs website. So making yourself private on BVARC is very tiny compared to your
ham information covering the globe with many many other websites that WILL NOT
remove you..
In the first post from Kori Rahman, he found his name in a search of the
BVARC REFLECTORs past messages.. ([email protected] reflector is shared to other
users (club members and some non club menbers) and also shared on the web
publicly from our website..
Its the webmasters job to get this information into the search engines so
folks can find out about ham radio and find out about the Brazos Valley Amateur
Radio Club!!! (patting myself on the back for a job well done... )
Eddie Runner [email protected] NU5K
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, 07:16:14 AM CST, William Elliott via
BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
I'm a month into the club and my info popped up too. I'd rather that not
be publicly posted.
-K15MKV
On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 4:28 AM Kori Rahman via BVARC <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all!
So I just did a Google search of my call sign (which I will not be stating
again) and the VERY FIRST thing that came up was my personal email to the club
list. I was... kinda shocked and surprised. I was under the impression these
emails were for club members ONLY. Apparently this email list is posted to the
public and I'm concerned about that. I have personal information in my
signature (name, phone number etc. which may be used to send me spam calls)
that could easily be parsed by an algorithm... This seems like a major security
issue to me and should be fixed. I have to wonder who is sending these emails
to this website??? If the club is doing this they should inform us that
anything we say on this list is not a private email but a public statement to
all of the internet and everyone on the planet.
I would appreciate some feedback on this and how this email I sent to the
club was posted publicly on the internet for all the world to see.... Maybe
this is the intent of the club, but I will certainly think twice about sending
anything out now and censoring my email signature. This must be laid out
clearly to all new members.
One of many offending post:
https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg09908.html
The use of the word "Private" is extensive in this page I was sent with my
welcome to the list:
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
Look.... I'm not SUPER diligent about reading absolutely everything I get,
but this seems like an extremely important thing to tell folks... I've been a
member for about 2 months so maybe this has been brought up before. I just feel
there needs to be more transparency if this is how it is.
- My call is in the offending link
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Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
BVARC mailing list
[email protected]
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
________________________________________________
Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
BVARC mailing list
[email protected]
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
________________________________________________
Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
BVARC mailing list
[email protected]
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
________________________________________________
Brazos Valley Amateur Radio Club
BVARC mailing list
[email protected]
http://mail.bvarc.org/mailman/listinfo/bvarc_bvarc.org
