Re: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy"

Deja vu all over again. I’ve always taught this move as a “face to face do-so-do”. I might describe it (once in an evening) by asking the dancers to "imagine the delicate gold chain joining the rings in your noses”. I don't explicitly suggest it’s flirty or even to make eye contact — that’s

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I'm no philologist, but I don't think it's as open and shut as suggested. While there is no proof the term derived from something other than in reference to the people, there is equally no proof to the affirmative that it is named after those people. Although it is indeed probable that it was

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When I was at university all the college servants were called gyps. According to my dictionary it may just as well have come from the name of a short jacket (obsolete English gippo derived from the obsolete French word jumeau). We are unlikely to ever know the true derivation of the word gypsy in

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I have a suggestion for a new word to replace "gypsy." My word is "bine" and I derive it from "binary stars" which, especially if they are of similar mass, circle each other as in our dance move. I consulted with an astrophysicist friend, who told me that under certain circumstances binary

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Martha, thanks for this investigative work -- I'll be interested to hear their response! But as Andrea mentions, my question doesn't pertain to whether it's offensive to the Roma people (I think the original email suggests that, on the surface, it most definitely is), but rather whether drawing

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Since we are all operating on assumptions here about what might or might not be offensive to the Roma people, I have sent a question to "Voice of Roma" (www.voiceofroma.com/) asking for their opinion as to whether our using the word gypsy for the past century plus as a name for a dance move

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I imagine there are some Romani organizations. A thought that I had was to contact them - explaining the background of these dance forms, the use of the gypsy term, and the current discussion and see what they say. It might be help decide how important it is to seek new terminology.

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In square dance, Indian Style is rarely used for single file promenade, although it was prevalent just 25 years ago. It has slowly disappeared replaced with just the descriptive language of "single file". I often replace, "Single file Indian Style" with "Single file with a smile". I also beieve

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I've been reading all the historical origins discussion. It's seems to me we are far from concluding that the term 'gypsy' is associated with Romani people. We have that Cecil Sharp probably heard Morris Dancers using whole and half gip, and appropriated the movement and term for broader use

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Since "gypsy" as a contra/ECD term almost certainly refers to Romani, it differs from say, geological terms or whatnot. The swastika is a sad thing, because the Nazis basically ruined it, even though they use a reverse direction version. That said, I'm not endorsing or not endorsing the change to

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This has been a fascinating and edifying conversation regarding how and when to use the term. At the risk of getting too deep in the philosophical questions regarding use of the word "gypsy," I have a sincere and seriously non-loaded question about what conditions must be met in order to justify

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Apologies for putting words in your mouth. I misunderstood what you were saying. -- Alan On 10/26/2015 3:51 PM, Colin Hume via Callers wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:48:00 -0700, Alan Winston via Callers wrote: I didn't know morris dancers used "gypsy" rather than "gyp", as you say on the

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On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:48:00 -0700, Alan Winston via Callers wrote: > I didn't know morris dancers used "gypsy" rather than "gyp", as you > say on the web page. Alan - I don't believe I say that. I say that Sharp's handwritten notes use the word "gipsies", and I give links to prove it. I agree

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2015, JD Erskine iDance via Callers wrote: > > The most significant action/interaction has occurred, the person spoke up. > The useful thing is to acknowledge it -- receipt of the communication. > > (As an operator in many radio communication services I can easily attest to > the

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On 10/26/15 7:36 AM, Colin Hume via Callers wrote: Well, now we've moved on from political correctness to dance interpretation (reconstruction) I have some interest in the matter. On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 01:40:18 -0700, Alan Winston via Callers wrote: �Basically, Cecil Sharp made up *and named*

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On 2015-10-25 1556, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: The use of gypsy as a contra dance term is almost as offensive as a contra dance containing a shadow swing. (JUST KIDDING) I would suggest a response of the following nature: Hello ___ snip I'd almost stop there. The most

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400 To: callers@lists.sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy" From: callers@lists.sharedweight.net When calling, I’ve struggled with “gypsy,” not because of its unfortunate political reverberations (like Amy, I have used it without intending offense or realizing

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Well, now we've moved on from political correctness to dance interpretation (reconstruction) I have some interest in the matter. On Mon, 26 Oct 2015 01:40:18 -0700, Alan Winston via Callers wrote: >�Basically, Cecil Sharp made up *and named* the Gypsy figure. Are you sure he didn't get it from

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t; Michael Barraclough > mich...@michaelbarraclough.com > www.michaelbarraclough.com > > > > -Original Message- > *From*: Martha Wild via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net > <martha%20wild%20via%20callers%20%3ccall...@lists.sharedweight.net%3e>> > Reply-to: Ma

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The use of gypsy as  a contra dance term is almost as  offensive as a contra dance containing a shadow swing. (JUST KIDDING) I would suggest a response of the following nature: Hello ___ As you noted,   (i)   you were  impressed by the friendliness of the dancers, the quality of the

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-- > From: Martha Wild via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > Reply-to: Martha Wild <maw...@sbcglobal.net> > To: Caller's discussion list <call...@sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy" > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:36:40 -0700

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lt;mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> > Date: October 24, 2015 at 3:12:57 AM EDT > To: call...@sharedweight.net <mailto:call...@sharedweight.net> > Subject: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy" > > > Hello All, > > I taught a dance this evening that included a

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See the link below for more information on the dance The Spanish Gypsy (or Jeepsie), the song from which the tune for the dance came, and the 1623 play from which the song came, which had the title "The Spanish Gypsy". http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/lod/vol4/spanish_gipsy.html I'll go out on a limb

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Thank you, everyone, for your thoughtful replies. I have a much better idea how to respond to this person now. I also have some changes to make in my calling. I appreciate the education and elucidation. Ignorance is not bliss. I think that, for now, I will do my best to eliminate the word "gypsy"

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2015, janet via Callers wrote: > > Troll has an original meaning as a mean mythical creature, who, > somewhere along the lines became associated with living under a > bridge. In today's society a troll came to mean someone who reads > computer forums, usually with malicious

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2015, Lindsay Morris via Callers wrote: > > I don't think of it as a derogatory term. Are you Romani? As with other terms that are slurs against various demographic groups, you don't get to decide what's derogatory or offensive if you're not part of the group. In many cases

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2015, Brooks Hart via Callers wrote: > > How about "eddy"? "What's the matter, Columbia? You've eaten Eddie before." Sorry, that's the first thing that popped into my head... -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/

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ers@lists.sharedweight.net> Reply-to: Martha Wild <maw...@sbcglobal.net> To: Caller's discussion list <call...@sharedweight.net> Subject: Re: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy" List-Post: callers@lists.sharedweight.net Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:36:40 -0700 I can see from this discussion th

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I don't think of it as a derogatory term. Lindsay Morris CEO, TSMworks Tel. 1-859-539-9900 lind...@tsmworks.com On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Martha Wild via Callers < callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > I can see from this discussion that there is definitely merit

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I can see from this discussion that there is definitely merit in giving this move a different name, though I had never thought of it as a derogatory term before. I rather like the idea suggested in a previous post of "eddy" because it is short and to the point and sounds different from other

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Thank you for articulating these thought so clearly. I wonder if Tony Barrand might have some idea about the origins from the Morris and longsword perspective. Patricia Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Alan Winston via Callers > wrote: > >

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Jeff Kauffman referred us to: > http://www.jefftk.com/p/history-of-the-term-gypsy That page mentions Playford's 1651 description of the dance "Cuckolds all a row," which includes the directions: ..., goe about the Co. We. not turning your faces. ..., goe about your owne not turning

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Sent from my iPad > On 24 Oct 2015, at 19:52, Richard Hart via Callers > wrote: > > I always describe a gypsy as being just like a dos à dos, but face to > face, instead of back to back. This might be problematic for ECD dancers as Fried de Metz Herman

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On 10/24/15 12:12 AM, Amy Wimmer via Callers wrote: Hello All, I taught a dance this evening that included a ladies' gypsy. I received the email below a few minutes ago. In teaching it I wanted to convey that it is a flirty, eye contact sort of move. This person was obviously offended. I

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In square dance, the call "walk all around your left hand lady" is very close to a right shoulder gypsy, and "See Saw is a left shoulder walk around. A left shoulder Dosido is no longer called a See Saw, but a Left Dosido. Walk all around your nieghbor or partner, and see saw your neighbor or

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"Spiral". That said, I've yet to hear a report of a Romani being offended. It's my understanding that this may be a problem, say, in Europe, where the term may be used as a slur. But here in America... we have plenty of racial slurs, and I've yet to hear or hear of gypsy being used in a

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I always describe a gypsy as being just like a dos à dos, but face to face, instead of back to back. As that is the case, why not use French again. As "dos à dos" means back to back, why not use "face à face" which means face to face? Pronunciation would probably be difficult for those who don't

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ale slaves? Something to ruminate on. Woody Sent from my iPad From: Amy Wimmer via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> To: call...@sharedweight.net Subject: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy" Date: 10/24/15, 12:12 AM Hello All, I taught a dance this evening that included a

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Since when I'm prompting, I sometimes just say "right shoulder" (or "left shoulder" for a left shoulder gypsy), I'm going to try using that as the name the next time I call. The teaching would look like: "Point your right shoulder at your neighbor and look them in the eyes. Walk around them.

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Chris Page via Callers wrote: > "Gypsy" comes from Cecil Sharp, when he was trying to name a figure that > appeared in the literature of two dancers going around each other. > > My hearsay understanding is that he named it after

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2015 10:08:23 -0400 To: amywim...@gmail.com CC: call...@sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] Advice about "gypsy" From: callers@lists.sharedweight.net Before I respond directly, I ask that all of us posting what I expect to be many replies to trim post quotes to just the pertinent bits

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Before I respond directly, I ask that all of us posting what I expect to be many replies to trim post quotes to just the pertinent bits (particularly those reading the "digest" version). I don't stress flirtation with this move - if so inclined, it appears to develop quite naturally on its own.

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. Always good to take a fresh look at things. Thanks for raising the question here. -cynthia From: Callers [mailto:callers-boun...@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Amy Wimmer via Callers Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 3:13 AM To: call...@sharedweight.net Subject: [Callers] Advice about

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"Gypsy" comes from Cecil Sharp, when he was trying to name a figure that appeared in the literature of two dancers going around each other. My hearsay understanding is that he named it after some Romani dances he knew of where partners didn't touch each other. -Chris Page San Diego, CA On Sat,

[Callers] Advice about "gypsy"

Hello All, I taught a dance this evening that included a ladies' gypsy. I received the email below a few minutes ago. In teaching it I wanted to convey that it is a flirty, eye contact sort of move. This person was obviously offended. I am at a loss for how to respond, except to apologize for