Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-03-01 Thread Bill Baritompa
Hi Jerome, I hope my sense of humour is coming thru. I wasn't being serious. To be fair, I'll add a footnote to Let's Be Fair - a gender inactivity balanced variation of Jerome Grisanti's PetroCaliTwirlification inspired by David Harding's perceptions. Cheers, Bill For what it's

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-29 Thread David Harding
Typing too late at night... On 2/29/2012 9:57 PM, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: The total in the group, as seen by an outside observer, was three men and two women. The men each looked around and saw two men and two women. The women looked around and each saw three men and one

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-29 Thread Bill Baritompa
Hi David, Yes it's not fair, females get all the fun :-) Here's a dance for you (maybe it already exists) Let's Be Fair A1: N Bal & Sw A2: Gents Left Allemand 1 1/2; P Sw (ladies must wait 8 beats doing nothing) B1: Ladies chain over and back (so now the gents have to

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-29 Thread Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing
The total in the group, as seen by an outside observer, was three men and two women. The men each looked around and saw two men and two women. The women looked around and each saw three men and one woman. I had actually figured that out. I was poking mild fun at your saying she saw three

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-29 Thread David Harding
The total in the group, as seen by an outside observer, was three men and two women. The men each looked around and saw two men and two women. The women looked around and each saw three men and one woman. David On 2/29/2012 9:46 PM, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote: David

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-29 Thread Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing
David Harding wrote: Of course, it could just be my biased perception based on a limited sample. My wife tells of looking around in her med school lab group and seeing three times as many women as men. The guys in the group looked around and saw a perfectly balance group. And, with a mix or

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-29 Thread David Harding
I agree that the important point is balancing gender activity. It may be regional differences, but as a male dancer, I often feel that there is significantly more activity for the females - dos-si-dos-ing, 1 1/2, allenamding 1 1/2, etc - than for the males. Every ladies chain, which other

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-29 Thread Ron Nelson
Rich Goss said: > > While I do pay some attention to the stock figures of a dance, I think the > signature moves and the feel of the tunes are more important. I also like to > make sure the progressions are unique. The flow of the evening is most > important IMO. > Ron adds: Rich, I

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-28 Thread Rich Goss
While I do pay some attention to the stock figures of a dance, I think the signature moves and the feel of the tunes are more important. I also like to make sure the progressions are unique. The flow of the evening is most important IMO. Rich

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-28 Thread Dhuntdancer
I determine "overused" when I scan my program for the evening and 3-4 dances in a row has a certain figure (allemande 1 1/2, circle, balance and swing, Ladies chain, etc). And when I look at my dance cards I see a lot of Heys, circle 3/4 and allemande 1 1/2 alot. When I balance my program

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-28 Thread Michael Fuerst
This may depend upon the hemisphere the caller lives in.  :--) Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801   217-239-5844 --- On Mon, 2/27/12, Liz and Bill <staf...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote: From: Liz and Bill <staf...@ext.canterbury.ac.nz> Subject: Re: [Calle

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Liz and Bill
On 28/02/2012 4:41 p.m., Michael Fuerst wrote: Ideally, a move done by one gender role should be balanced by some move solely for the other gender role. Hi Michael, In my opinion, gender balance in each dance seems a bit extreme, however it does seem worth balancing gender inactivity

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Michael Fuerst
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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Donald Perley
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM, wrote: > I agree. > Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused? > How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to > avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find >

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing
Richard wrote: > I tend to agree with Martha about that. I don't find that English country dance leaders limit their use of set and turn single, or up a double and back, to only once or twice an evening. > Richard > On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Martha Edwards wrote: > > But why wouldn't it be

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Richard Fischer
I tend to agree with Martha about that. I don't find that English country dance leaders limit their use of set and turn single, or up a double and back, to only once or twice an evening. Richard On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Martha Edwards wrote: > But why wouldn't it be okay to have lots of

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Read Weaver
otoh, an evening with lots of circles can be an opportunity to remind people to give weight in the circle (and slap around the people grapevining). When I do a beginners' session, I point out that a circle without weight is a really boring figure, but with weight it has some real charm.

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread 95sg23
ll...@sharedweight.net> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:37:39 PM Subject: Re: [Callers] Overused figures What is so great about the "ProgramPlanning Matrix" is that it seems to be based upon input from a number of experienced, key people.  Nevertheless, the matrix does place a sign

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Greg McKenzie
What is so great about the "ProgramPlanning Matrix" is that it seems to be based upon input from a number of experienced, key people. Nevertheless, the matrix does place a significant burden on programmers. If you add in local preferences and personal preferences the task of programming becomes

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Gary Shapiro
I too try to minimize the Men allemande L 1-1/2 and I try to minimize circle L 3/4 and swing, but not so much the 3/4 circle without the swing. It's not easy! Give-and-take is an easy alternative when there's a swing, but that's a figure that I think shouldn't be used no more than once a month

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Dave C
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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Bill Baritompa
Hi All, Interesting discussion. One of the neat aspects of contra dance (for me) is that so few figures are used to make up dances (as opposed to MWSD). The transitions between them and how they are put together generate interesting and fun dances. There are certain combination that

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Linda Leslie
Yes, I do, and I am happy to share it! Larry published his in "Give & Take". In his printed version, the axes are rotated so that the dance moves appear in the first column on the left. In the blank version (attached), you can set it up in whatever way that seems helpful. The second grid

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread David Millstone
An electronic version of Larry's program planning grid can be found here: http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/ Scroll down about halfway, and it's the last item before the subhead"My articles and web pages about contra dance calling"

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Dhuntdancer
Linda: Do you have a electronic copy of Larry's grid? If so would you please share? Donna "Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we should dance." -unknown In a message dated 2/27/2012 2:08:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, laleslie...@comcast.net writes: I agree

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Linda Leslie
I agree that men allemande left is found in many good dances and can be overused in a program; circles and long lines forward and back are other moves that can fit this category. One of the many advantages to Caller's Companion, or the use of the grid developed by Larry Jennings, is to

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Linda Mrosko
It's not overused if you're a new dancer or group of new dancers. I always mark my cards w/a circle with a line through it to remind me this one doesn't have a circle - and I try to fit at least 3-4 non-circle dances in each program, when possible. Ladies chain used to be a problem, too - a few

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread David Millstone
--- Donna wrote: How about Circle Left 3/4? Lately, I've been programming specifically to avoid having a circle in each dance. It's surprisingly difficult to find dances that don't have circles. --- end of quote --- I don't have time now to sift through cards, but I'm wondering how much

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Charles Hannum
The most “over”used figure in contra dance, at least in the Boston area, has to be circle left 3/4 at the beginning of a Becket dance. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 13:53, wrote: > I agree. > Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused? > How about Circle

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

2012-02-27 Thread Dhuntdancer
I agree. Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused? How about Circle Left 3/4? Lately, I've been programming specifically to avoid having a circle in each dance. It's surprisingly difficult to find dances that don't have circles. Donna Hunt "Life may not be the