Re: What now?

[Philippe Monnet]

Having a new official release would be great especially since Sinatra 
published their 1.0 release yesterday. ;-)


The new Rubyforge page would be nice but wouldn't a more 
marketing-centric site help increase adoption?


On 3/23/2010 9:58 AM, Magnus Holm wrote:
Indeed, but for now I think http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/ 
(or, the URL would actually be camping.rubyforge.org 
 when released) would be enough.


I think we're pretty much ready for a release. If you'd like, I could 
mark HEAD as 2.0.rc1 and push it out to Gemcutter. Then you guys who 
have 2.0 apps could do a "gem install camping --pre" and make sure 
everything works. If everything seems fine we can release it :)



// Magnus Holm


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:16, Philippe Monnet > wrote:


I like the idea of the site being built on Camping and combining
mini-apps and static content all integrated with jQuery for
example. I am currently running two Camping 2.0 apps on Heroku and
they work great. Hosting on Heroku would be also be convenient
because of the ability to add Git contributors and because of the
ease of deployment.


On 3/21/2010 3:58 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:

Hi Philippe

I am one of those Camping friends (although I've been too busy
with clients just lately to do much). Although I just posted
links to your Camping 'add-ons' to the wiki :-)

I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I've even dabbled with it
myself (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a
small community feel. Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the
lines you suggest) might be the right way forward for a 'This is
Camping' website. Or just keep things clean and minimal.

As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some
time ago, as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance
(tutorial, examples, etc.) and a nice CSS style for the blog
example. Maybe start with a developed version of the Camping blog
on Heroku (free) so we can each add Camping-related posts to keep
things fresh?

It's just making enough time to put it all together... I'd be
happy to chip in, but what's the best way to build a whole site
that uses Camping - a collection of apps and generated static
pages? I once used Camping 1.5 (running as CGI) as an easy way to
make a simple multipage wireframe mockup, but...

Dave


I was wondering how we can help with next steps?
I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework
(and Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting
Camping. It would be great if one of our web designer / Camping
friend could help create a catchy visual for the site. How about
a night time view of a camp fire with a tent and maybe a small
projector with a big silver screen where we could display
rotating content / slides? Any other crazy concepts?

Philippe


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Re: What now?

[Magnus Holm]

Indeed, but for now I think http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/ (or, the
URL would actually be camping.rubyforge.org when released) would be enough.

I think we're pretty much ready for a release. If you'd like, I could mark
HEAD as 2.0.rc1 and push it out to Gemcutter. Then you guys who have 2.0
apps could do a "gem install camping --pre" and make sure everything works.
If everything seems fine we can release it :)


// Magnus Holm


On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 04:16, Philippe Monnet  wrote:

>  I like the idea of the site being built on Camping and combining
> mini-apps and static content all integrated with jQuery for example. I am
> currently running two Camping 2.0 apps on Heroku and they work great.
> Hosting on Heroku would be also be convenient because of the ability to add
> Git contributors and because of the ease of deployment.
>
>
> On 3/21/2010 3:58 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:
>
> Hi Philippe
>
> I am one of those Camping friends (although I've been too busy with clients
> just lately to do much). Although I just posted links to your Camping
> 'add-ons' to the wiki :-)
>
> I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I've even dabbled with it myself
> (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a small community feel.
> Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the lines you suggest) might be the
> right way forward for a 'This is Camping' website. Or just keep things clean
> and minimal.
>
> As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some time ago,
> as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance (tutorial, examples, etc.)
> and a nice CSS style for the blog example. Maybe start with a developed
> version of the Camping blog on Heroku (free) so we can each add
> Camping-related posts to keep things fresh?
>
> It's just making enough time to put it all together... I'd be happy to chip
> in, but what's the best way to build a whole site that uses Camping - a
> collection of apps and generated static pages? I once used Camping 1.5
> (running as CGI) as an easy way to make a simple multipage wireframe mockup,
> but...
>
> Dave
>
> I was wondering how we can help with next steps?
> I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and Rails
> of course) and would love to help more with promoting Camping. It would be
> great if one of our web designer / Camping friend could help create a catchy
> visual for the site. How about a night time view of a camp fire with a tent
> and maybe a small projector with a big silver screen where we could display
> rotating content / slides? Any other crazy concepts?
>
> Philippe
>
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Re: What now?

[Philippe Monnet]

I like the idea of the site being built on Camping and combining 
mini-apps and static content all integrated with jQuery for example. I 
am currently running two Camping 2.0 apps on Heroku and they work great. 
Hosting on Heroku would be also be convenient because of the ability to 
add Git contributors and because of the ease of deployment.



On 3/21/2010 3:58 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:

Hi Philippe

I am one of those Camping friends (although I've been too busy with 
clients just lately to do much). Although I just posted links to your 
Camping 'add-ons' to the wiki :-)


I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I've even dabbled with it 
myself (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a small 
community feel. Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the lines you 
suggest) might be the right way forward for a 'This is Camping' 
website. Or just keep things clean and minimal.


As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some time 
ago, as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance (tutorial, 
examples, etc.) and a nice CSS style for the blog example. Maybe start 
with a developed version of the Camping blog on Heroku (free) so we 
can each add Camping-related posts to keep things fresh?


It's just making enough time to put it all together... I'd be happy to 
chip in, but what's the best way to build a whole site that uses 
Camping - a collection of apps and generated static pages? I once used 
Camping 1.5 (running as CGI) as an easy way to make a simple multipage 
wireframe mockup, but...


Dave


I was wondering how we can help with next steps?
I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and 
Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting Camping. 
It would be great if one of our web designer / Camping friend could 
help create a catchy visual for the site. How about a night time view 
of a camp fire with a tent and maybe a small projector with a big 
silver screen where we could display rotating content / slides? Any 
other crazy concepts?


Philippe


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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

Hi Philippe

I am one of those Camping friends (although I've been too busy with  
clients just lately to do much). Although I just posted links to your  
Camping 'add-ons' to the wiki :-)


I agree about Sinatra - from curiosity I've even dabbled with it  
myself (shame!), although it is nice that Camping still has a small  
community feel. Perhaps some _why-type cartoons (along the lines you  
suggest) might be the right way forward for a 'This is Camping'  
website. Or just keep things clean and minimal.


As for content, that was covered in another post to the list some  
time ago, as was a domain name. Magnus has the substance (tutorial,  
examples, etc.) and a nice CSS style for the blog example. Maybe  
start with a developed version of the Camping blog on Heroku (free)  
so we can each add Camping-related posts to keep things fresh?


It's just making enough time to put it all together... I'd be happy  
to chip in, but what's the best way to build a whole site that uses  
Camping - a collection of apps and generated static pages? I once  
used Camping 1.5 (running as CGI) as an easy way to make a simple  
multipage wireframe mockup, but...


Dave


I was wondering how we can help with next steps?
I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and  
Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting  
Camping. It would be great if one of our web designer / Camping  
friend could help create a catchy visual for the site. How about a  
night time view of a camp fire with a tent and maybe a small  
projector with a big silver screen where we could display rotating  
content / slides? Any other crazy concepts?


Philippe


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Re: What now?

[Philippe Monnet]

I was wondering how we can help with next steps?
I keep seeing all the attention going to the Sinatra framework (and 
Rails of course) and would love to help more with promoting Camping. It 
would be great if one of our web designer / Camping friend could help 
create a catchy visual for the site. How about a night time view of a 
camp fire with a tent and maybe a small projector with a big silver 
screen where we could display rotating content / slides? Any other crazy 
concepts?


Philippe

On 10/18/2009 6:03 PM, Dave Everitt wrote:
Below: collated results for a Camping domain name, have added my prefs 
and all others. Perhaps we can increment/decrement these scores from 
now on to get a final result ;-)


[Philippe]: I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be 
good for SEO and more likely to incite people not familiar with 
Camping to click on a link due to the association with Ruby.


agreed. 'rubycamping.com' is available (as are the others, I *think*). 
Also agree with the need to distinguish Camping from RoR, so not so 
sure about 'rubyoncamping.com'? For SEO it's common to have > 1 
domain, with a primary one, so (say) 
'ruby-camping-framework.com/org/net' might be a good buy to forward to 
the chosen domain. Since this isn't a commercial site, I'd prefer 
.org/.net with the .com variation sitting there quietly - opinions?



rubycamping.com [9 +1]
campingframework.com [2 +1]
rubyoncamping.com [10 -1]
whywentcamping.com [1 +2] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the 
site link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby)


Dave

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Re: What now?

[Jenna Fox]

I really doubt we need something of that scale. A shared hosting  
account with passenger support would be fine and dandy for now.


On 21/10/2009, at 8:08 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:

My partnership has VPS Dallas (Ubuntu) and London (Debian) servers  
from Rimuhosting. We're about to replace the former with a more  
updated system, so that could be an option, depending on where the  
most visitors are likely to come from. The London server has faster  
access for UK/European users - Dave



Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I'm willing to pitch in.


Well, since I've already volunteered to webmaster, I could throw in  
an idle VPS too. If someone else wants to host, that would be even  
better, because I do rather like having a staging server.


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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

My partnership has VPS Dallas (Ubuntu) and London (Debian) servers  
from Rimuhosting. We're about to replace the former with a more  
updated system, so that could be an option, depending on where the  
most visitors are likely to come from. The London server has faster  
access for UK/European users - Dave



Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I'm willing to pitch in.


Well, since I've already volunteered to webmaster, I could throw in  
an idle VPS too. If someone else wants to host, that would be even  
better, because I do rather like having a staging server.


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Re: What now?

[Matt Bunday]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Dave Everitt  wrote:
> keywords in the domain do help - I'm pretty sure spam is filtered by other
> means too - like hiding text, too much repetition, 'spam-like' terms. As
> well as inbound links (which I reckon won't be a problem), in my experience
> the best plan is to have well-constructed and machine-readable semantic
> markup with genuine  and regularly-updated content.
>
> Since we now have a domain, maybe the topic's over?
>
> Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I'm willing to pitch in.

Well, since I've already volunteered to webmaster, I could throw in an
idle VPS too. If someone else wants to host, that would be even
better, because I do rather like having a staging server.

-- 
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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

Okay, we don't need SEO :-)


Regardless, it's not my impression that the domain name plays much  
role at all in Google's algorithm. After all, domain squatters  
nearly never show up on the first page of results, despite that  
most of the squatted domains are seen as valuable keyword wise. To  
get good pagerank we just need inbound links, is all.


keywords in the domain do help - I'm pretty sure spam is filtered by  
other means too - like hiding text, too much repetition, 'spam-like'  
terms. As well as inbound links (which I reckon won't be a problem),  
in my experience the best plan is to have well-constructed and  
machine-readable semantic markup with genuine  and regularly-updated  
content.


Since we now have a domain, maybe the topic's over?

Webmastering & hosting, anyone? I'm willing to pitch in.

Dave

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Re: What now?

[Matt Bunday]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:59 AM, Dave Everitt  wrote:
>
> Okay, we don't need SEO :-)

Regardless, it's not my impression that the domain name plays much
role at all in Google's algorithm. After all, domain squatters nearly
never show up on the first page of results, despite that most of the
squatted domains are seen as valuable keyword wise. To get good
pagerank we just need inbound links, is all.

-- 
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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

we have this wonderful tight knit little community at the moment  
which would be utterly obliterated by fame. See rubyonrails for  
details about why fame sucks.



LOL! Good point!

Magnus - great cartoon! More!!

Okay, we don't need SEO :-)


What motivation is there to be widely popular?



In any case, I just secured whywentcamping.com. For now it  
redirects to camping.rubyforge.com



That's the decision made, then - good.

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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

okay - which of the proposed domains works best for you? - Dave

Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the  
system, and just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it  
up, and write some awesome stuff and post it! I'll certainly be  
linking to it from my blog.


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Re: What now?

[Jenna Fox]

Excellent news with the domain. :)

I don't understand why we should care about search positioning. The  
site exists to give us users information. How do these sorts of  
frameworks gain popularity? word of mouth. Our website doesn't need to  
sell anything because more users is simply a burden from an  
administrative perspective. What motivation is there to be widely  
popular? Does one even exist or are people just assuming it's the  
thing we're supposed to do?



On 20/10/2009, at 8:29 AM, zimbatm wrote:


In any case, I just secured whywentcamping.com. For now it redirects
to camping.rubyforge.com
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Re: What now?

[zimbatm]

In any case, I just secured whywentcamping.com. For now it redirects
to camping.rubyforge.com
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Re: What now?

[zimbatm]

Regarding SEO, isn't it enough to have some links from the ruby
community pointing to the camping homepage to have it on top-10 of
"ruby camping" search results ?
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Re: What now?

[Christian Carter]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 5:06 PM, John Beppu  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Julik Tarkhanov <
> julian.tarkha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Dave Everitt wrote:
>>
>>  nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why' and
>>> 'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not 'caping' didn't you
>>> :-).
>>>
>>
>>
>> Registering domains in Russia is a bit risky IMO.
>>
>
> Out of (morbid) curiosity, what are the risks of registering a .ru domain?
>
> --beppu
>
> A lot of spam filters automatically stick .ru domains as spam, and search
engines tend to avoid .ru as well.

Christian Carter
612.327.5292
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Re: What now?

[John Beppu]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Julik Tarkhanov <
julian.tarkha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Dave Everitt wrote:
>
>  nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why' and
>> 'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not 'caping' didn't you
>> :-).
>>
>
>
> Registering domains in Russia is a bit risky IMO.
>

Out of (morbid) curiosity, what are the risks of registering a .ru domain?

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Re: What now?

[Magnus Holm]

http://imgur.com/7gpQ4.png

//Magnus Holm



On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 22:44, Jenna Fox  wrote:
> Yeah, and besides, camping is not a business, it is an open source project
> of much niftiness. We do not need SEO, it does in fact not especially effect
> us how many people use our framework, except that we have this wonderful
> tight knit little community at the moment which would be utterly obliterated
> by fame. See rubyonrails for details about why fame sucks.
>
> —
> Jenna
>
>
> On 20/10/2009, at 7:18 AM, Aria Stewart wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:
>>
>>> nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why' and
>>> 'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not 'caping' didn't you
>>> :-).
>>>
>>> I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing 'ruby,
>>> camping, framework'), forwarding to another memorable one we all like from
>>> the existing list (unless there's a genius new suggestion).
>>>
>>
>> Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the system, and
>> just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it up, and write some
>> awesome stuff and post it! I'll certainly be linking to it from my blog.
>>
>> Aria Stewart
>> aredri...@nbtsc.org
>>
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Re: What now?

[Jenna Fox]

Yeah, and besides, camping is not a business, it is an open source  
project of much niftiness. We do not need SEO, it does in fact not  
especially effect us how many people use our framework, except that we  
have this wonderful tight knit little community at the moment which  
would be utterly obliterated by fame. See rubyonrails for details  
about why fame sucks.


—
Jenna


On 20/10/2009, at 7:18 AM, Aria Stewart wrote:



On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:

nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why'  
and 'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not  
'caping' didn't you :-).


I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing 'ruby,  
camping, framework'), forwarding to another memorable one we all  
like from the existing list (unless there's a genius new suggestion).




Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the system,  
and just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it up, and  
write some awesome stuff and post it! I'll certainly be linking to  
it from my blog.


Aria Stewart
aredri...@nbtsc.org



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Re: What now?

[Aria Stewart]

On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:

nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why'  
and 'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not  
'caping' didn't you :-).


I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing 'ruby,  
camping, framework'), forwarding to another memorable one we all  
like from the existing list (unless there's a genius new suggestion).




Or better, get good search engine results without gaming the system,  
and just get people to link to it -- go talk it up, blog it up, and  
write some awesome stuff and post it! I'll certainly be linking to it  
from my blog.


Aria Stewart
aredri...@nbtsc.org



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Re: What now?

[Julik Tarkhanov]

On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:27, Dave Everitt wrote:

nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why'  
and 'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not  
'caping' didn't you :-).



Registering domains in Russia is a bit risky IMO.
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m...@julik.nl





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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

nice idea with the .ru = Ruby, although still doubtful that 'why' and  
'went' are good for SEO (BTW you did mean 'camping', not 'caping'  
didn't you :-).


I reckon: 2 domains, one obviously SEO-optimised (containing 'ruby,  
camping, framework'), forwarding to another memorable one we all like  
from the existing list (unless there's a genius new suggestion).


- Dave


whywentcaping.ru, though it is at a cost of $29.99


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Re: What now?

[Jenna Fox]

There is the option of whywentcaping.ru, though it is at a cost of  
$29.99 US. I don't know, I really like those sorts of domains that use  
the [cc]TLD as a part of the name, though sadly, http:// 
whywentcampi.ng/ seems to already be taken (though unused... and..  
nigerian..).


I like .net and .org. :)


On 19/10/2009, at 11:03 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:

Below: collated results for a Camping domain name, have added my  
prefs and all others. Perhaps we can increment/decrement these  
scores from now on to get a final result ;-)


[Philippe]: I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be  
good for SEO and more likely to incite people not familiar with  
Camping to click on a link due to the association with Ruby.


agreed. 'rubycamping.com' is available (as are the others, I  
*think*). Also agree with the need to distinguish Camping from RoR,  
so not so sure about 'rubyoncamping.com'? For SEO it's common to  
have > 1 domain, with a primary one, so (say) 'ruby-camping- 
framework.com/org/net' might be a good buy to forward to the chosen  
domain. Since this isn't a commercial site, I'd prefer .org/.net  
with the .com variation sitting there quietly - opinions?



rubycamping.com [9 +1]
campingframework.com [2 +1]
rubyoncamping.com [10 -1]
whywentcamping.com [1 +2] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the  
site link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby)


Dave

PS I have to sleep now.

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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

Below: collated results for a Camping domain name, have added my  
prefs and all others. Perhaps we can increment/decrement these scores  
from now on to get a final result ;-)


[Philippe]: I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be  
good for SEO and more likely to incite people not familiar with  
Camping to click on a link due to the association with Ruby.


agreed. 'rubycamping.com' is available (as are the others, I  
*think*). Also agree with the need to distinguish Camping from RoR,  
so not so sure about 'rubyoncamping.com'? For SEO it's common to have  
> 1 domain, with a primary one, so (say) 'ruby-camping-framework.com/ 
org/net' might be a good buy to forward to the chosen domain. Since  
this isn't a commercial site, I'd prefer .org/.net with the .com  
variation sitting there quietly - opinions?



rubycamping.com [9 +1]
campingframework.com [2 +1]
rubyoncamping.com [10 -1]
whywentcamping.com [1 +2] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the  
site link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby)


Dave

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Re: What now?

[Aria Stewart]

On Oct 18, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Jenna Fox wrote:


I also like whywentcamping.com :)


+1!
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Re: What now?

[Philippe Monnet]

rubycamping.com [9]
campingframework.com [2]
rubyoncamping.com [10]
whywentcamping.com [1] (cute but I wonder if people may skip the site 
link by thinking it has nothing to do with Ruby)


I feel that having the word Ruby in the name would be good for SEO and 
more likely to incite people not familiar with Camping to click on a 
link due to the association with Ruby.



Dave Everitt wrote:

@Philippe:
Agreed - if Camping is going to get any mindshare it does need a 
portal one-stop site.

BTW rubyoncamping - ROC (as in 'solid as a...' :-? )

So... .com/org/net(all?) domain options (bearing in mind 
SEO-friendliness and availability) - [ ] = add a score out of 10:

rubycamping.com [ ]
campingframework.com [ ]
rubyoncamping.com [ ]
whywentcamping.com [ ]

Domains cost around £12 p.a., which I'm sure we can find between us. 
Hosting (I imagine with all the sysadmins and webmasters on this list 
;-) is effectively free.


@Julik:

A new site shared over githubz would be nice
You'll have heard that _why's inheritance already has a preservation 
plan (see 'Decentralization of _why's Projects' at 
http://whymirror.github.com) - there's a lot of 
[planning|thinking|reporting on what's happening] there, and Magnus is 
already part-time 'scoutmaster' for Camping at 
http://github.com/camping/camping ... or did you mean something other?


- Dave

I like the idea of updating the  rubyforge site,  but  having a main  
site  to  publicize  Camping would  be a nice addition and would  
have the benefit of being easier for people to find or remember 
(especially if they are new to Ruby). I really like:

rubycamping.com
campingframework.com
Here is an additional suggestion: rubyoncamping.com (like ROR).
The new site could act as a portal for everything Camping, such as 
news, rotating features on sites using Camping, code snippets, etc.


Philippe

Dave Everitt wrote:


Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the dead 
links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.) give the 
impression that Camping is neglected (also with the CHANGELOG frozen 
at 1.5 in 2006), and that's a bit sad for such a nice little 
framework! Perhaps the community could list and collate the 
necessary changes/updates on each page, then updating could be 
shared (I'd be more than willing to do updates)?


An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide 
an overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from 
the community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in 
one SEO-optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages 
over - say - Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with each 
code update) - these aren't immediately apparent unless pointed out. 
A few of the best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a fair hearing, and 
Camping isn't getting all the web presence it deserves - that's what 
motivates me!


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Re: What now?

[Jenna Fox]

I also like whywentcamping.com :)

As for a sign, do not fret, for he is at a better place now, where  
there are plentiful tasty chickpea burgers, and friends and family. He  
just needed to not be _why for a while. We don't know how long, or for  
what reason, but he is certainly fine. :)


http://twitter.com/cloudeight/status/3480155399


On 19/10/2009, at 7:11 AM, Peter Retief wrote:


I need to know if _why is OK, I need a sign?

2009/10/18 zimbatm :

+1 for whywentcamping.com
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Re: What now?

[Christian Carter]

Another for whywentcamping.com

We shouldn't try and make ourselves look like ROR, Camping is it's own crazy
system.

Christian Carter
612.327.5292


On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:53 PM, zimbatm  wrote:

> +1 for whywentcamping.com
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Re: What now?

[Peter Retief]

I need to know if _why is OK, I need a sign?

2009/10/18 zimbatm :
> +1 for whywentcamping.com
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Re: What now?

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+1 for whywentcamping.com
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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

@Philippe:
Agreed - if Camping is going to get any mindshare it does need a  
portal one-stop site.

BTW rubyoncamping - ROC (as in 'solid as a...' :-? )

So... .com/org/net(all?) domain options (bearing in mind SEO- 
friendliness and availability) - [ ] = add a score out of 10:

rubycamping.com [ ]
campingframework.com [ ]
rubyoncamping.com [ ]
whywentcamping.com [ ]

Domains cost around £12 p.a., which I'm sure we can find between us.  
Hosting (I imagine with all the sysadmins and webmasters on this  
list ;-) is effectively free.


@Julik:

A new site shared over githubz would be nice
You'll have heard that _why's inheritance already has a preservation  
plan (see 'Decentralization of _why's Projects' at http:// 
whymirror.github.com) - there's a lot of [planning|thinking|reporting  
on what's happening] there, and Magnus is already part-time  
'scoutmaster' for Camping at http://github.com/camping/camping ... or  
did you mean something other?


- Dave

I like the idea of updating the  rubyforge site,  but  having a  
main  site  to  publicize  Camping would  be a nice addition and  
would  have the benefit of being easier for people to find or  
remember (especially if they are new to Ruby). I really like:

rubycamping.com
campingframework.com
Here is an additional suggestion: rubyoncamping.com (like ROR).
The new site could act as a portal for everything Camping, such as  
news, rotating features on sites using Camping, code snippets, etc.


Philippe

Dave Everitt wrote:


Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the  
dead links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.)  
give the impression that Camping is neglected (also with the  
CHANGELOG frozen at 1.5 in 2006), and that's a bit sad for such a  
nice little framework! Perhaps the community could list and  
collate the necessary changes/updates on each page, then updating  
could be shared (I'd be more than willing to do updates)?


An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide  
an overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from  
the community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in  
one SEO-optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages  
over - say - Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with  
each code update) - these aren't immediately apparent unless  
pointed out. A few of the best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a  
fair hearing, and Camping isn't getting all the web presence it  
deserves - that's what motivates me!


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Re: What now?

[John Beppu]

I like the domain whywentcamping.com .
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Re: What now?

[Philippe Monnet]

I like the idea of updating the  rubyforge site,  but  having a main  
site  to  publicize  Camping would  be a nice addition and would  have 
the benefit of being easier for people to find or remember (especially 
if they are new to Ruby). I really like:


   * rubycamping.com
   * campingframework.com

Here is an additional suggestion: rubyoncamping.com (like ROR).
The new site could act as a portal for everything Camping, such as news, 
rotating features on sites using Camping, code snippets, etc.


Philippe

Dave Everitt wrote:
Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the dead 
links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.) give the 
impression that Camping is neglected (also with the CHANGELOG frozen 
at 1.5 in 2006), and that's a bit sad for such a nice little 
framework! Perhaps the community could list and collate the necessary 
changes/updates on each page, then updating could be shared (I'd be 
more than willing to do updates)?


An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide an 
overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from the 
community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in one 
SEO-optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages over - 
say - Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with each code 
update) - these aren't immediately apparent unless pointed out. A few 
of the best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a fair hearing, and Camping 
isn't getting all the web presence it deserves - that's what motivates 
me!


- Dave Everitt

Awesome suggestion, but we let's not forget that 
camping.rubyforge.org has served us well :-)

//Magnus Holm


I second the whywentcamping.com domain.


Dave: great, that's a start. One more person and we're there!

Matt: I'm new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but 
nothing impressive), but I'd be more than happy to be webmaster. 
If I could get someone to work with, that'd be even better, of 
course.


Dave: Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain, a 
friendly host and to share out the webmastering :-) With a little 
commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the hosting and 
domain.


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Re: What now?

[Julik Tarkhanov]

On 18 Oct 2009, at 12:03, Dave Everitt wrote:

Perhaps the community could list and collate the necessary changes/ 
updates on each page, then updating could be shared (I'd be more  
than willing to do updates)?



A new site shared over githubz would be nice.
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[Dave Everitt]

Agreed, but ideally it would be great to have it updated as the dead  
links (redhanded.hobix.com, code.whytheluckystiff.net etc.) give the  
impression that Camping is neglected (also with the CHANGELOG frozen  
at 1.5 in 2006), and that's a bit sad for such a nice little  
framework! Perhaps the community could list and collate the necessary  
changes/updates on each page, then updating could be shared (I'd be  
more than willing to do updates)?


An external website would be an extra to collect links and provide an  
overview, with - say - where get Camping, recent examples from the  
community, how-to guides (or links and previews), etc. all in one SEO- 
optimised place. Also, Camping does have some advantages over - say -  
Sinatra (one being that Sintra needs a reload with each code update)  
- these aren't immediately apparent unless pointed out. A few of the  
best Ruby Micro-frameworks deserve a fair hearing, and Camping isn't  
getting all the web presence it deserves - that's what motivates me!


- Dave Everitt

Awesome suggestion, but we let's not forget that  
camping.rubyforge.org has served us well :-)

//Magnus Holm


I second the whywentcamping.com domain.


Dave: great, that's a start. One more person and we're there!

Matt: I'm new to Camping (played around with some small apps,  
but nothing impressive), but I'd be more than happy to be  
webmaster. If I could get someone to work with, that'd be even  
better, of course.


Dave: Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain,  
a friendly host and to share out the webmastering :-) With a  
little commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the  
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Re: What now?

[Magnus Holm]

Awesome suggestion, but we let's not forget that camping.rubyforge.org
has served us well :-)

//Magnus Holm



On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 17:18, Matt Zukowski  wrote:
> I second the whywentcamping.com domain.
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dave Everitt 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matt - great, that's a start. One more person and we're there! - Dave
>>
>>> I'm new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing
>>> impressive), but I'd be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could
>>> get someone to work with, that'd be even better, of course.
>>>
 Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain, a friendly
 host
 and to share out the webmastering :-)

 With a little commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the
 hosting
 and domain.
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Re: What now?

[Matt Zukowski]

I second the whywentcamping.com domain.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Dave Everitt wrote:

> Hi Matt - great, that's a start. One more person and we're there! - Dave
>
>  I'm new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing
>> impressive), but I'd be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could
>> get someone to work with, that'd be even better, of course.
>>
>>  Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain, a friendly host
>>> and to share out the webmastering :-)
>>>
>>> With a little commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the hosting
>>> and domain.
>>>
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[Dave Everitt]

Hi Matt - great, that's a start. One more person and we're there! - Dave


I'm new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing
impressive), but I'd be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could
get someone to work with, that'd be even better, of course.

Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain, a  
friendly host

and to share out the webmastering :-)

With a little commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the  
hosting

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[Matt Bunday]

I'm new to Camping (played around with some small apps, but nothing
impressive), but I'd be more than happy to be webmaster. If I could
get someone to work with, that'd be even better, of course.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Dave Everitt  wrote:
> Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain, a friendly host
> and to share out the webmastering :-)
>
> With a little commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the hosting
> and domain.
>

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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

Nice alternative... all that's needed is a chosen domain, a friendly  
host and to share out the webmastering :-)


With a little commitment from a couple of people, I'd provide the  
hosting and domain.


or could they be elsewhere? And which of the many, many finds out  
there when
you search e.g. 'Camping Ruby' are 1.9/2.0 relevant? Etc. Ummm  
[thinks]...
rubycamping.com, campingruby.com, campingframework.com or (my  
favourite)

camping3k.com/org/net are all available...


whywentcamping.com


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Re: What now?

[John Turner]

2009/9/13 Dave Everitt :
> or could they be elsewhere? And which of the many, many finds out there when
> you search e.g. 'Camping Ruby' are 1.9/2.0 relevant? Etc. Ummm [thinks]...
> rubycamping.com, campingruby.com, campingframework.com or (my favourite)
> camping3k.com/org/net are all available...

whywentcamping.com
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Re: What now?

[Dave Everitt]

Just in case anyone comes to visit and doesn't realise Camping has  
it's own repo at Github (the chosen option in this thread, thanks to  
Magnus) here's the URL:


http://github.com/camping/camping/

To promote Camping (e.g. I just mailed ruby-toolbox.com to suggest  
adding it), I usually point people to the above, to the online docs  
below, and to the mailing list. But it would be worth putting up a  
'where is all the definitive updated Camping 1.9-soon-to-be-2.0  
stuff' post to the list at some point - e.g. does Magnus want to  
continue hosting online docs at:


http://stuff.judofyr.net/camping-docs/camping-1.9.335/rdoc/

or could they be elsewhere? And which of the many, many finds out  
there when you search e.g. 'Camping Ruby' are 1.9/2.0 relevant? Etc.  
Ummm [thinks]... rubycamping.com, campingruby.com,  
campingframework.com or (my favourite) camping3k.com/org/net are all  
available...


Dave Everitt

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Re: What now?

[zimbatm]

+1 for camping/camping at github . Also, why not use the github pages
to host the camping website
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Re: What now?

[Jonathan Groll]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 08:28:34AM +0200, Magnus Holm wrote:

Okay, _why has left us, but since Camping has been community-driven for a
while I think we can handle this.

First of all, we need a new home for Camping at GitHub for code, wiki and
the bug tracker. As far as I can see, it looks like we have three options:

whymirror/camping - Use the whymirror's repo.
judofyr/camping - Use my repo.
camping/camping - Create a new user.

I'm not really a fan of having it at my repo. Yes, I had push-permissions to
why/camping earlier, but I'm not going to be a 100% maintainer for Camping
now. Don't worry, I will work with Camping (simply because I love the code),
I will push the patches we agree on and I will release when we're ready.
However, I can't promise to be there if you have a critical bug, security
hole or something like that. I probably will though, but don't depend on it.
Hopefully all of you guys will help out when you can. I think the community
deserves to be the maintainer of Camping :-)

I'm also trying to do
the final touches on the documentation, so hopefully we can also
release 2.0 soon. (About time, isn't it?)
//Magnus Holm


Magnus - what is left to document - could you let the list know so
that we can all chip in?

I for one think it would be sensible to create a 'camping' account on
github.

Since Magnus' original post was not very clear as to _why leaving us
(I actually thought Magnus was simply pointing out that _why has not
posted to this list for a long time now) it seems that the majority of
his sites are now giving a 111 when requested, including hackety.org
and his github account has been deleted too (it is now held by a
'benign' squatter). He seems to have simply become the "Polo Champ Who
Gave It All Up for No Reason Whatsoever".

With grief,
Jonathan.
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Re: What now?

[Jeremy McAnally]

> I'm for this option:
>
>> camping/camping - Create a new user.

Yup I like that option, too.

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[Dave Everitt]

I'm for this option:


camping/camping - Create a new user.



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[Magnus Holm]

Okay, _why has left us, but since Camping has been community-driven for a
while I think we can handle this.

First of all, we need a new home for Camping at GitHub for code, wiki and
the bug tracker. As far as I can see, it looks like we have three options:

whymirror/camping - Use the whymirror's repo.
judofyr/camping - Use my repo.
camping/camping - Create a new user.

I'm not really a fan of having it at my repo. Yes, I had push-permissions to
why/camping earlier, but I'm not going to be a 100% maintainer for Camping
now. Don't worry, I will work with Camping (simply because I love the code),
I will push the patches we agree on and I will release when we're ready.
However, I can't promise to be there if you have a critical bug, security
hole or something like that. I probably will though, but don't depend on it.
Hopefully all of you guys will help out when you can. I think the community
deserves to be the maintainer of Camping :-)

I'm also trying to do
the final touches on the documentation, so hopefully we can also
release 2.0 soon. (About time, isn't it?)
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