Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-18 Thread Justin Jonas
You may want to look at the analogue links we are using on MeerKAT. ~ 2GHz BW and good dynamic range. J On 17 Dec 2009, at 8:57 PM, Dan Werthimer wrote: hi john, tom, attached is a paper on the analog fiber links used in the ATA. the work well at the ATA, which transmits the RF band

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-18 Thread Justin Jonas
Alan reminded me I should have given the link to the supplier: http://www.foxcom.com/index.aspx?id=2510 J On 18 Dec 2009, at 12:53 AM, Tom Kuiper wrote: John Ford wrote: We've decided (Maybe prematurely?) that wide-band analog links are not the way to go, for single-dish, at least. The

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-18 Thread Jouko Ritakari
Hi all, In the old days the biggest problem was the very limited dynamic range of fiber optic receivers. If you are thinking of using analog links you shoud check if this is still true and if it isn't, what tricks have been used to circumvent it. Otherwise all the different standards are a

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-18 Thread Michael Inggs
Hi Roufurd Julie's M.Sc. dissertation should come out early in January 2010 (yes, Roufurd, just next year...) and he has a lot of practical measurements of gain changes with ambient, phase changes, changes due to the antenna cable wraps, and so on. Dynamic range, now specified at the 1%GCP, is

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-18 Thread Jouko Ritakari
Hi, OK, the dynamic range might be much better now, I remember something like 13 dB but it was year 1985 and first-generation 10 Mbps Ethernet. The 45 dB sounds a bit weird, physics have stayed the same. Possibly some tricks in signal levels? So there is still the standard question we ask

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-18 Thread Jouko Ritakari
Hi Dan, On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Dan Werthimer wrote: You can use fiber optic cables on the iBob, Roach and Bee2 boards. There are several vendors that make CX4 optical fiber cables; these cables house copper to optical transceivers in the connector body. Matt Dexter has tested several vendors

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-17 Thread Jouko Ritakari
Hi Tom, In my earlier life I designed some of the biggest fiber optic networks in the world, before going into radio astronomy. In your case, fibers are really cheap, digging costs a lot more. Cable cost is insignificant. For those lenghts I would use a 48 or 98- single mode fiber cable,

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-17 Thread Tom Kuiper
Dan Werthimer wrote: Can you transmit the RF or IF through analog fibers, and then locate the digitizers in an electronics lab, where they are easy to service, upgrade, keep cool, shield from the receivers, ...? We can, in principal. The receiver being built first for Canberra by Steve Smith

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-17 Thread Dan Werthimer
Hi Tom, To save money on analog fiber transmitter/receivers, perhaps you could transmit your full 10GHz band on a single analog fiber, or as you suggested, convert the 10 GHz band to a pair of 5 GHz IF's, and transmit on two analog fibers. After the analog fiber receiver (located in the

Re: [casper] fiber capacity

2009-12-17 Thread Tom Kuiper
John Ford wrote: We've decided (Maybe prematurely?) that wide-band analog links are not the way to go, for single-dish, at least. The stability we need was not there the last time I looked, when you factor in the twisting of the fibers, the diurnal temperature variations, etc. Can you give me