Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
Hi Matt, you wrote: the City of Ithaca unambiguously uses the name Fuertes Bird Sanctuary for the wooded area south of Stewart Park, as does the Cayuga Waterfront Trail. It would be particularly interesting to learn why the City has applied this term to this specific area... It's also interesting to ask _when_ the City began labeling it such, as this could help us track down the source of the deviation from the standard name used in the birding community. The only City of Ithaca documents I have yet seen with this error (if it is an error!) are less than ten years old. Do you know of any older ones? -Geo -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re:[cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
Here's a candidate for the (proximal) source of the confusion: http://www.cayugawaterfronttrail.com/file_uploads/Waterfront_History_Report_2001.pdf This fascinating Waterfront History Report entirely misses the creation of the Fuertes Memorial Waterfowl Sanctuary (known to us today as the swan pen), but applies the Fuertes name instead to the Renwick Wildwood Sanctuary, asserting that the Cayuga Bird Club changed the name at the time of Fuertes' death. Now where could the authority for that assertion be found, if not in the club's archives? Geo Kloppel -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
Force of habit. There's a certain threshold of persistence required to accomplish an honorary name change, and the Cayuga Bird Club seems never to have risen to it. Even the club website refers to the place as Renwick Sanctuary, so club members can't be faulted for following along. Fuertes Sanctuary is a fine name, though, and perhaps the club should give another effort. Geo Kloppel Bowmaker Restorer 227 Tupper Rd Spencer NY 14883 607 564 7026 On May 8, 2012, at 8:26 AM, Matthew Medler m...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi All, The discovery of the Yellow-throated Warbler in the woods south of Stewart Park highlighted a question that I've wondered about for some time: why do most Ithaca birders refer to this area as Renwick Woods or Renwick Bird Sanctuary rather than Fuertes Bird Sanctuary? Based on the City of Ithaca's web site, it appears that the official name for this area is in fact Fuertes Bird Sanctuary: http://www.ci.ithaca.ny.us/parks/stewartpark.cfm Even putting this aside, it's always puzzled me that Ithaca birders would favor the name of an early Ithaca settler over Louis Agassiz Fuertes. Not only is Fuertes one of America's greatest bird artists, but he is also one of our most illustrious Ithaca birding ancestors, having been very active in the Cayuga Bird Club and the local birding community for many years. I would think that we would want to celebrate Fuertes's name and use it to refer to the bird sanctuary that was named in his memory after his untimely death. I am truly interested in learning why it is that so many use the name Renwick to refer to the Fuertes Bird Sanctuary. But, in the absence of any compelling reason for favoring Renwick over Fuertes, I'd also encourage birders to use the sanctuary's official name and honor Fuertes's legacy in the process. Matt Medler Ithaca -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
[PMX:#] Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
Having grown up in Ithaca and after 64 years it is hard to change old habits. Also some of us are resistant to change :?) Having said that here is a piece of Ithaca history that you might find interesting. In the late 1790s, Andrew Moodie received Military Lot No. 88 as part of his land grant after service in the Revolutionary War. James Renwick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Renwick,_Jr., a prominent American architect, bought part of this grant. In the early 1890s, the Cascadilla School purchased forty acres of land to develop athletic facilities.Then a trolley line was constructed to the lake and the Cayuga Lake Electric Railway Company developed an amusement park. These forty acres and Port Renwick became Renwick Park, which opened in 1894 to the general public. In the early nineteen-teens, the Renwick Park and Traffic Association privately leased the park to the Wharton brothers to use as a film studio. The City purchased the park from the Renwick Park and Traffic Association in 1921. One month before the park's formal opening, Mayor Stewart died and the park was renamed Stewart Park in his honor. In the mid-twentieth century, the park contained a zoo, a merry-go-round, and the renovation of the dance pavilion for use as Ithaca's first vaudeville theater. In 1908, due to the decrease in ridership, the Cayuga Lake Electric Railway Company was dissolved and the Renwick Park and Traffic Association was formed to replace it. Sometime around 1915, trolley access to the park was discontinued. At this same time, 55 acres south of the park were set aside as a bird sanctuary and maintained by the Cayuga Bird Club.The area at the southeastern end of Cayuga Lake where Stewart Park and the Newman Municipal Golf Course was a marsh until the early twentieth century, when the marsh was filled in to extend available area for homes and businesses in the West End. In 1927 Fuertes died in an automobile accident in Ithaca. At that time he was the President of the Cayuga Bird Club. The club, in his honor, renamed this part of the Renwick Estate Fuertes Bird Sanctuary. So now you can see why there is some confusion, and now you know the rest of the story One more little bit of trivia that Dave Nutter reminded me of, The access to where the Yellow-throated Warbler was seen was the original access to Stewart Park. Rt. 13 as we know it now didn't exist until the early 1960s Carl Steckler -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [PMX:#] Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
Thanks, Carl for the history lesson. I agree with you about the name. I've lived in the area nearly 51 yrs. have NEVER connected the name Fuertes with Renwick or Stewart because NO ONE ever, in my hearing, called it that, even the elderly woman I knew whose bro., a conductor on the trolley, was killed by a robber. And yes, the old entrance to Stewart Park was much different than today. Fritzie - Original Message - From: Carl Steckler To: cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:31 AM Subject: [PMX:#] Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes Having grown up in Ithaca and after 64 years it is hard to change old habits. Also some of us are resistant to change :?) Having said that here is a piece of Ithaca history that you might find interesting. In the late 1790s, Andrew Moodie received Military Lot No. 88 as part of his land grant after service in the Revolutionary War. James Renwick, a prominent American architect, bought part of this grant. In the early 1890s, the Cascadilla School purchased forty acres of land to develop athletic facilities.Then a trolley line was constructed to the lake and the Cayuga Lake Electric Railway Company developed an amusement park. These forty acres and Port Renwick became Renwick Park, which opened in 1894 to the general public. In the early nineteen-teens, the Renwick Park and Traffic Association privately leased the park to the Wharton brothers to use as a film studio. The City purchased the park from the Renwick Park and Traffic Association in 1921. One month before the park's formal opening, Mayor Stewart died and the park was renamed Stewart Park in his honor. In the mid-twentieth century, the park contained a zoo, a merry-go-round, and the renovation of the dance pavilion for use as Ithaca's first vaudeville theater. In 1908, due to the decrease in ridership, the Cayuga Lake Electric Railway Company was dissolved and the Renwick Park and Traffic Association was formed to replace it. Sometime around 1915, trolley access to the park was discontinued. At this same time, 55 acres south of the park were set aside as a bird sanctuary and maintained by the Cayuga Bird Club.The area at the southeastern end of Cayuga Lake where Stewart Park and the Newman Municipal Golf Course was a marsh until the early twentieth century, when the marsh was filled in to extend available area for homes and businesses in the West End. In 1927 Fuertes died in an automobile accident in Ithaca. At that time he was the President of the Cayuga Bird Club. The club, in his honor, renamed this part of the Renwick Estate Fuertes Bird Sanctuary. So now you can see why there is some confusion, and now you know the rest of the story One more little bit of trivia that Dave Nutter reminded me of, The access to where the Yellow-throated Warbler was seen was the original access to Stewart Park. Rt. 13 as we know it now didn't exist until the early 1960s Carl Steckler -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
When Drew called me about the rare Yellow-throated Warbler, and I sent out the text message from my phone, I had to be concise but clear. "Fuertes" and "Renwick" are the same number of characters, but "Renwick" is, I think, a bit less ambiguous. "Renwick" refers to a couple streets in a neighborhood nearby, while I think there are several places named for Louis Agassiz Fuertes. Wasn't the pond- and feeder-viewing area inside the old Lab of O called the Fuertes Observatory? Isn't the auditorium at the current Lab which displays so many of his paintings also named for Fuertes? There are a couple of bronze plaques by the Swan Pond, one of which honors Fuertes, and the other talks about swans.Fuertes was a great artist, so I associate his name with his wonderful paintings and drawings more than with those woods. I see no disrespect in that. Official name or no, many people do and will call it the Renwick Sanctuary, including users of the new birding guide which the club just published (see p.21).--Dave NutterOn May 08, 2012, at 08:26 AM, Matthew Medler m...@cornell.edu wrote:Hi All,The discovery of the Yellow-throated Warbler in the woods south of Stewart Park highlighted a question that I've wondered about for some time: why do most Ithaca birders refer to this area as "Renwick Woods" or "Renwick Bird Sanctuary" rather than "Fuertes Bird Sanctuary?" Based on the City of Ithaca's web site, it appears that the official name for this area is in fact "Fuertes Bird Sanctuary":http://www.ci.ithaca.ny.us/parks/stewartpark.cfmEven putting this aside, it's always puzzled me that Ithaca birders would favor the name of an early Ithaca settler over Louis Agassiz Fuertes. Not only is Fuertes one of America's greatest bird artists, but he is also one of our most illustrious Ithaca birding ancestors, having been very active in the Cayuga Bird Club and the local birding community for many years. I would think that we would want to celebrate Fuertes's name and use it to refer to the bird sanctuary that was named in his memory after his untimely death.I am truly interested in learning why it is that so many use the name Renwick to refer to the Fuertes Bird Sanctuary. But, in the absence of any compelling reason for favoring Renwick over Fuertes, I'd also encourage birders to use the sanctuary's official name and honor Fuertes's legacy in the process.Matt MedlerIthaca -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! --
RE: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
This is from: New York: A Guide to the Empire State Compiled by Workers of the Writers' Program of the Works Progress Administration in the State of New York Copyright 1940 page 243 Stewart Park, at the head of Cayuga Lake, the principal public park of the city, includes a bathing beach with bathhouses, picnic grounds, athletic fields, a small zoo, and the Renwick Bird Sanctuary and Fuertes Wild Fowl Sanctuary, which provide refuge for more than 300 species of birds. These sanctuaries were made possible by gifts from local citizens and were developed with the co-operation of the Department of Ornithology of Cornell University. The memorial gateway at the waterfowl pond bears a bronze plaque in honor of Louis Agassiz Fuertes ... Jim From: bounce-56070042-3494...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-56070042-3494...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Dave Nutter [nutter.d...@me.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:30 PM To: Matthew Medler Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes When Drew called me about the rare Yellow-throated Warbler, and I sent out the text message from my phone, I had to be concise but clear. Fuertes and Renwick are the same number of characters, but Renwick is, I think, a bit less ambiguous. Renwick refers to a couple streets in a neighborhood nearby, while I think there are several places named for Louis Agassiz Fuertes. Wasn't the pond- and feeder-viewing area inside the old Lab of O called the Fuertes Observatory? Isn't the auditorium at the current Lab which displays so many of his paintings also named for Fuertes? There are a couple of bronze plaques by the Swan Pond, one of which honors Fuertes, and the other talks about swans. Fuertes was a great artist, so I associate his name with his wonderful paintings and drawings more than with those woods. I see no disrespect in that. Official name or no, many people do and will call it the Renwick Sanctuary, including users of the new birding guide which the club just published (see p.21). --Dave Nutter On May 08, 2012, at 08:26 AM, Matthew Medler m...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi All, The discovery of the Yellow-throated Warbler in the woods south of Stewart Park highlighted a question that I've wondered about for some time: why do most Ithaca birders refer to this area as Renwick Woods or Renwick Bird Sanctuary rather than Fuertes Bird Sanctuary? Based on the City of Ithaca's web site, it appears that the official name for this area is in fact Fuertes Bird Sanctuary: http://www.ci.ithaca.ny.us/parks/stewartpark.cfm Even putting this aside, it's always puzzled me that Ithaca birders would favor the name of an early Ithaca settler over Louis Agassiz Fuertes. Not only is Fuertes one of America's greatest bird artists, but he is also one of our most illustrious Ithaca birding ancestors, having been very active in the Cayuga Bird Club and the local birding community for many years. I would think that we would want to celebrate Fuertes's name and use it to refer to the bird sanctuary that was named in his memory after his untimely death. I am truly interested in learning why it is that so many use the name Renwick to refer to the Fuertes Bird Sanctuary. But, in the absence of any compelling reason for favoring Renwick over Fuertes, I'd also encourage birders to use the sanctuary's official name and honor Fuertes's legacy in the process. Matt Medler Ithaca -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basicshttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME Rules and Informationhttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES Subscribe, Configuration and Leavehttp://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm Archives: The Mail Archivehttp://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html Surfbirdshttp://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds BirdingOnThe.Nethttp://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBirdhttp://ebird.org/content/ebird/! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
So Matt's puzzler devolves to the question whether the Renwick Wildwood Sanctuary was actually renamed after the untimely death of L. A. Fuertes, or whether that claim only represents a garbled memory of the creation of the Fuertes Memorial Waterfowl Sanctuary (which we've forgetfully dubbed the 'swan pen') beside the Stewart Park boathouse. Might seem like a trivial question, but it would have to be resolved if the arch was going to be restored. Does the Cayuga Bird Club have archives from the late 1920s that could provide an answer? -Geo -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
I have been reading all of these posts with a great deal of interest. The 100th anniversary of the Cayuga Bird Club's founding will soon be upon us. It would be a wonderful project for club members to continue research into this history and come up with a plan to bring the names and honors into repair and visibility. I am hoping to hear from people who may want to join together and facilitate some progress in this direction Best Linda Orkin Current President of the Cayuga Bird Club. Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 8:49 PM, geoklop...@gmail.com wrote: So Matt's puzzler devolves to the question whether the Renwick Wildwood Sanctuary was actually renamed after the untimely death of L. A. Fuertes, or whether that claim only represents a garbled memory of the creation of the Fuertes Memorial Waterfowl Sanctuary (which we've forgetfully dubbed the 'swan pen') beside the Stewart Park boathouse. Might seem like a trivial question, but it would have to be resolved if the arch was going to be restored. Does the Cayuga Bird Club have archives from the late 1920s that could provide an answer? -Geo -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes
Hi Dave and All, I should have said this in my original message about Renwick vs. Fuertes, and that is that my message was not meant in any way to criticize you or anybody else for using the name Renwick for the area in question. I apologize if my message was taken as criticism of any sort--it was not intended in that way. And, I also should have thanked you for getting out the word about the Yellow-throated Warbler so quickly--it allowed me and several others to enjoy this nice bird. I also agree with your decision to use the term Renwick in your text message to describe where the bird was originally found. This seems to be the term that many (or most?) local birders currently use to describe this area, so using this name was undoubtedly the most effective way to help people find the bird. I have used the name Fuertes Sanctuary for many years (and raised this whole issue prior to the publication of the new birdfinding guide), but from a communication standpoint, there is not much point in using this name if it is not recognized by other birders. However, I am still puzzled as to why birders have not consistently used (let alone embraced) the name Fuertes Bird Sanctuary over the years. After all, we as a group seem quick to adopt new names (Fuller Wetlands), name changes (Park Preserve), and cumbersome names (Lindsay-Parsons Biodiversity Preserve) that lack a direct connection to our birding community. The name Fuertes Bird Sanctuary has existed for over 80 years, and yet, it appears to have been used sporadically at best. (It does appear in a few issues of The Kingbird from the 1950s...and the 1980s.) Perhaps this is due to confusion over what the name refers to. But, the City of Ithaca unambiguously uses the name Fuertes Bird Sanctuary for the wooded area south of Stewart Park, as does the Cayuga Waterfront Trail. It would be particularly interesting to learn why the City has applied this term to this specific area... Matt Medler Ithaca From: Dave Nutter nutter.d...@me.com To: Matthew Medler m...@cornell.edu Cc: cayugabirds-l cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Renwick vs. Fuertes When Drew called me about the rare Yellow-throated Warbler, and I sent out the text message from my phone, I had to be concise but clear. Fuertes and Renwick are the same number of characters, but Renwick is, I think, a bit less ambiguous. Renwick refers to a couple streets in a neighborhood nearby, while I think there are several places named for Louis Agassiz Fuertes. Wasn't the pond- and feeder-viewing area inside the old Lab of O called the Fuertes Observatory? Isn't the auditorium at the current Lab which displays so many of his paintings also named for Fuertes? There are a couple of bronze plaques by the Swan Pond, one of which honors Fuertes, and the other talks about swans. Fuertes was a great artist, so I associate his name with his wonderful paintings and drawings more than with those woods. I see no disrespect in that. Official name or no, many people do and will call it the Renwick Sanctuary, including users of the new birding guide which the club just published (see p.21). --Dave Nutter On May 08, 2012, at 08:26 AM, Matthew Medler m...@cornell.edu wrote: Hi All, The discovery of the Yellow-throated Warbler in the woods south of Stewart Park highlighted a question that I've wondered about for some time: why do most Ithaca birders refer to this area as Renwick Woods or Renwick Bird Sanctuary rather than Fuertes Bird Sanctuary? Based on the City of Ithaca's web site, it appears that the official name for this area is in fact Fuertes Bird Sanctuary: http://www.ci.ithaca.ny.us/parks/stewartpark.cfm Even putting this aside, it's always puzzled me that Ithaca birders would favor the name of an early Ithaca settler over Louis Agassiz Fuertes. Not only is Fuertes one of America's greatest bird artists, but he is also one of our most illustrious Ithaca birding ancestors, having been very active in the Cayuga Bird Club and the local birding community for many years. I would think that we would want to celebrate Fuertes's name and use it to refer to the bird sanctuary that was named in his memory after his untimely death. I am truly interested in learning why it is that so many use the name Renwick to refer to the Fuertes Bird Sanctuary. But, in the absence of any compelling reason for favoring Renwick over Fuertes, I'd also encourage birders to use the sanctuary's official name and honor Fuertes's legacy in the process. Matt Medler Ithaca -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- Cayugabirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com
