Re: [ccp4bb] Self Rotation map in R32? - trap for young players

2009-07-22 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It also highlights the problem with looking at plots rather than numbers - there is still a place for them in a graphical age. In one of the molrep outputs - the one confusingly labelled *.doc I think - it lists each peak and its symmetry equivalents. So I guess you would find that peak 1 is the

[ccp4bb] UK STFC Consultation Exercise Important Revision BBSRC consultation

2009-07-22 Thread Moody, Dr P.C.E.
I'm sending this out again, as both the questions and the deadline have changed! See email below. Please give this some thought. To give you a perspective, the NLS community have been emailed thus. STFC is undertaking a fundamental re-analysis of its funding priorities, with a view to laying

[ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread DebajyotiDutta
Dear Sir, I have very little knowledge about anomalous dispersion method. The thing is that I have just started to deal with a case of SAD. I have consulted several text books to acquire knowledge about it though I have some queries. CCP4BB, I think is the best place to place my questions.

[ccp4bb] rotamer nomenclature question

2009-07-22 Thread Murray, James W
Dear All, A non-CCP4 question: In proteins (and RNA), the term rotamer is used to refer to a specific conformer (or class of conformers), found in structures. According to IUPAC (http://goldbook.iupac.org/R05407.html), the term should only apply to rotation around a single bond, which is not

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread Alejandro Buschiazzo
DebajyotiDutta escribió: Dear Sir, I have very little knowledge about anomalous dispersion method. The thing is that I have just started to deal with a case of SAD. I have consulted several text books to acquire knowledge about it though I have some queries. CCP4BB, I think is the best place

Re: [ccp4bb] Self Rotation map in R32?

2009-07-22 Thread Francis E Reyes
This nicely illustrates the danger of using too low resolution data to compute the SRF (I'm referring to an earlier BB discussion on this subject, where it was suggested to cut out the high resolution data, against, it seems to me, all rationale). You should be using as high resolution valid data

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread Alejandro Buschiazzo
... 2.Sometimes I found that while searching for anomalous scatterer with SHELXD which give the coordinates of the scatterer in PDB format with occupancy more than 1. Why anomalous occupancy may be more than 1. Not having other wavelengths measured (in contrast with MAD experiments), there is

Re: [ccp4bb] Self Rotation map in R32?

2009-07-22 Thread Ian Tickle
No there are 6 rotational equivalent positions in R32 (i.e. not counting the translational R centred positions which have no effect on the RF), consisting of 2 groups of 3, call them 1,2,3 and 4,5,6. Members of each group of 3 are internally related by the 3-fold and members of different groups

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread Ian Tickle
Wikipedia is your friend! Dispersion is defined as the change in phase velocity with wavelength (or wave number, frequency etc), see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersion_relation . The phase velocity is directly related to the refractive index:

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread DebajyotiDutta
Dear Sir, Thank you all who have replied. It is very nice to have such a wonderful explanation of Anomalous dispersion and Anomalous scattering. I am sorry to say that SHELXD give me the coordinates with occ 1. It is not. Actually I am aimed to incorporate the phases from MR. During this

Re: [ccp4bb] more than one ligands for CNS generate.inp and refine.inp files

2009-07-22 Thread Jacob Wong
Thank you all who had kindly reply to me with tips. Basically I was suggested to combine the two ligand files together, or to trick CNS to take in my 2nd ligand file at like the prosthetic group section. The generate.inp runs without apparent ERR message, but the refinement was terminated with

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread Jacob Keller
I had thought that dispersion might be an allusion to dispersive differences which occur between corresponding amplitudes collected at different wavelengths due to differences in anomalous scattering. I had explained to myself, albeit imperfectly, the apparent terminological inconsistency

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread Jacob Keller
So whence the term dispersive differences between wavelengths? I believe that is the proper term, no? Was it just a historical accident based on poor understanding of the original meaning? I think that is the term used by some pretty big names in crystallography. and may have stood for

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Wednesday 22 July 2009 10:03:19 Jacob Keller wrote: I had thought that dispersion might be an allusion to dispersive differences which occur between corresponding amplitudes collected at different wavelengths due to differences in anomalous scattering. No. These terms were inherited

Re: [ccp4bb] SAD questions

2009-07-22 Thread Randy Read
Hi, If you're using Phaser to refine the anomalous scatterers, then their occupancies may indeed refine to numbers 1. If everything were perfect (data perfectly on absolute scale, f precisely correct), then none of the occupancies should refine above one. Phaser attempts to put the

[ccp4bb] model completion after MR with partial model

2009-07-22 Thread Jerry McCully
Dear ALL: Thanks a lot for the input about EPMR statistics. After struggling for several days, I finally got a promising solution from Phaser with a partial poly-Ala model with 50% completeness. two molecules in one ASU: solu set RFZ=4.2 TFZ=5.9 PAK=0 LLG=23 RFZ 3.8 TFZ=19.0 PAK=3

Re: [ccp4bb] is my crystal twinned or not?

2009-07-22 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Dear Matthew, If it is P43 and merohedrally twinned, you should not see systematic absences for the 21 axis. In fact there is no way of getting the P43212 systematic absences from a twinned crystal of lower symmetry. I presume that you also tried MR in P41212. Best wishes, George Prof. George

Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand PDB

2009-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
Mariah, Try ChemDraw-3D, you can draw any chemical structure conceivable and write it out as a pdb. It can also do a wide variety of energy minimizations for you. Best, --Paul --- On Tue, 7/21/09, protein.chemist protein.chemist pp73...@gmail.com wrote: From: protein.chemist

Re: [ccp4bb] more than one ligands for CNS generate.inp and refine.inp files

2009-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
Jacob, In CNS/XPLOR all topology files are created equal. You are free to combine all topology into a single file and read that into CNS. Do you have two copies of the same ligand or two different ligands? If you have two different ligands, you can use prodrg or xplo2d/hic-up to generate

Re: [ccp4bb] is my crystal twinned or not?

2009-07-22 Thread Oliv Eidam
Hi Matthew, Recently, a colleague of mine ran into a challenging twinning problem reported in the following publication: Frey D, Huber T, Plückthun A, Grütter MG. Structure of the recombinant antibody Fab fragment f3p4. Acta Crystallogr D Biol Crystallogr. (2008), 64, 636-43 You might want to

Re: [ccp4bb] is my crystal twinned or not?

2009-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
Matthew, Here's my $0.02: Try more sophisticated twin tests such as xtriage from phenix or Ctruncate from the latest CCP4 distro. Both programs include multiple twining tests. Second, your R-factors seem very reasonable for a well refined structure missing 20% of a not-so-well ordered

Re: [ccp4bb] model completion after MR with partial model

2009-07-22 Thread Paul Smith
Jerry, In similar situations, I've tried various solvent flattening approaches. Programs such as DM allow input of a manually created solvent mask. If you edit the mask created around your MR solution to include where you think additional protein density should be (using for example MAPMASK

Re: [ccp4bb] is my crystal twinned or not?

2009-07-22 Thread Charlie Bond
Just to add another point to look at. If there's any question about the absences on the 4-fold, e.g. that it could be P4(2)2(1)2, then the real space group could be P212121. I mention this because I discussed a structure on here a while ago which was apparently P42212, would only solve by MR