[ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Sergei Strelkov
Dear All, I am processing a dataset collected (not by me) with 0.1 degree oscillations. The diffraction is quite weak even though there is a clean diffraction pattern to about 3A. Either Mosflm or XDS processes the data readily with +/- default settings but both yield a high overall Rmerge

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Sergei, with only 3A data and 0.1 deg frame width my first guess would be radiation damage. In that case there is little you can do - the Rmerge might just be realistic. XDS has not problem dealing with thin frames (on the contrary!) and it won't help pooling frames together. Check out the

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear Sergei, since your Rmerge is high at low resolution even in P1, my guess is, that there was a problem either with the crystal or with the data collection. Fine slicing should improve the data quality, because your get a better description of the reference profiles and reduce the

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Savvas Savvides
Dear Sergei how much do the refined unit cell parameters (given a fixed detector distance) vary as a function of frame number? We have been using such initial diagnostic approach to trace radiation damage issues (among other problems) for a number of crystal forms that maximally diffracted in

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Martin Hallberg
Dear Sergei, Did you check the mean intensity as function of spindle position statistics in the CORRECT.LP file? Any (even minute) shutter problems will affect these thin frames significantly. If this is indeed the problem, you could then try to set: PATCH_SHUTTER_PROBLEM=TRUE for the CORRECT

[ccp4bb] REĀ : [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread SHEPARD William
Dear Sergei, It is difficult to say without looking at XDS or MOSFLM logfiles, but this sort of problem (high flat Rsym in all resolution bins) sounds like the crystal vibrating wildly in the cryostream. You could ask the data collector the following questions: 1) Was the cryostream

[ccp4bb] Off-Topic: CNS MAXLEV error

2010-11-05 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear CCP4ers, sorry for this off-topic question, but maybe, somebody can answer this: I want to refine some self-defined dummy-atoms (scatter.lib, topology, parameter: all copypaste from water and modified) with CNS and get the following enigmatic error message: %CONNE2 error encountered:

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Peter Cherepanov
Hi Sergei, such fine slicing during data collection would suggest a large cell. How many reflections are you merging? And what is the redundancy (in the expected symmetry)? Rmerge tends to go up with more reflections added. Peter On 5 Nov 2010, at 08:40, Sergei Strelkov wrote: Dear All,

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Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Jim Pflugrath
In general, if the Rmeas or Rmerge is high in the low resolution shells, then something is not optimal with the data collection. Bill Shepard has already mentioned the loop vibrating or moving in the cryogenic gas flow. Other problems could be the goniometer head was loose, the magnet was loose,

Re: [ccp4bb] Can refmac output the mtzfile including mFo/DFc columes?

2010-11-05 Thread Ian Tickle
Refmac doesn't output mFo as such, however it does output DFc: that's what is in the columns FC PHIC, or FC_ALL PHIC_ALL if you want the total DFc including solvent contribution. You could obviously get mFo by multiplying the FP FOM columns, or you could do it using the fact that mFo =

[ccp4bb] anomalous map phaser - phenix

2010-11-05 Thread Maiclo Zepre
Dear CCP4ers, After I make Molecular replacement with Phaser and combine the resulting mtz and the anomalous .mtz using CAD, I obtain an anomalous map which shows me good anomalous signal. I'm displaying this map in coot by choosing in the expert mode the labels DANO and PHWT (or PHIC together

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
three additional points: 1. OTOH, if The diffraction is quite weak, one may be limited by counting statistics. This also cannot be overcome by processing. As JIm suggests above then, maybe you should look if the 15% Rmerge is almost reasonable given the specific I/sigI at low

Re: [ccp4bb] anomalous map phaser - phenix

2010-11-05 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Maiclo, After I make Molecular replacement with Phaser and combine the resulting mtz and the anomalous .mtz using CAD, I obtain an anomalous map which shows me good anomalous signal. I'm displaying this map in coot by choosing in the expert mode the labels DANO and PHWT (or PHIC together

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Jacob Keller
3. making too fine slices of too weak diffraction images ends up with either too weak counting statistics or inability to 'lock' the refinement. we did that for one crystal form, collecting 0.1, 0.2, 0.35, 0.5, 0.7, 1.0 from various crystals (with the same dose per degree, at SLS using a

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
On Nov 5, 2010, at 16:57, Ronnie Berntsson wrote: Dear Tassos, I'm interested in your third point. Do you have any explanation for why 0.5-1 degrees oscillation gave better data? Purely due to the fact that the crystals survived longer and thus yielded higher redundancy data, or also

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
In the Pilatus mode these are open-shutter experiment, where the Pilatus integrates over different times - all these exposure times are slower than the frequency of the detector, as far as I understand the setup. So, the crystal gets the 'full blast' in all cases, and the blast is the same

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Harry Powell
Hi I'd read Jim Pflugrath's 1999 paper in Acta D for a discussion on fine phi slicing - in general, if memory serves me correctly, he suggested using an oscillation angle ~0.5x the mosaic spread. I think there may be issues with collecting data too finely with a Pilatus, even in shutterless

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Tim Gruene
Hello Tassos, the data you are missing are available from XDS_ASCII.HKL and can e.g. be generated with Kay Diederichs xdsstat, see http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/xdswiki/index.php/XDSSTAT According to the web site, it prints Rmeas instead of Rmerge, but since Rmeas should anyhow be

Re: [ccp4bb] Can refmac output the mtzfile including mFo/DFc columes?

2010-11-05 Thread Ian Tickle
OK you could be right, it's not an issue for me because I never use the FC/PHIC columns anyway, since it's not clear why you *wouldn't* want to include the solvent contribution, as opposed to any of the other contributions to the SF (what's so special about the solvent?). In fact it's not clear

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Martin Hallberg
Hi Harry, On Nov 5, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Harry Powell wrote: I think there may be issues with collecting data too finely with a Pilatus, even in shutterless mode. I don't know where the problems arise (can't be shutter/rotation axis synchronisation), but it seems to be the normal thing in

Re: [ccp4bb] High Rmerge with thin frames

2010-11-05 Thread Chris Ulens
Compensating like this is of course not the best (go and recollect!) but still way better than unusable data in the meantime. In the case Sergei originally described it would at least indicate what the problem may be. Sergei did not say which detector was used for the data collection so we don't

[ccp4bb] Nucplot -where to download

2010-11-05 Thread Joyce
Hi, I have been trying to download the program nucplot from http://www.biochem.ucl.ac.uk/bsm/nucplot/avail.html but the files are no longer available there. Could somebody tell me where I can download the program, or if there is an equivalent program I could use to make a schematic of

[ccp4bb] precipitation after storage

2010-11-05 Thread Eric Karg
Dear all, I'm working on a protein which starts to precipitate after 3-4 days of storage at 4 degrees or room temperature. The storage buffer contains 300 mM NaCl because at lower salt concentrations it also tends to precipitate. Different buffers and adding glycerol did not help although this

Re: [ccp4bb] precipitation after storage

2010-11-05 Thread Filip Van Petegem
Hello Eric, Does your protein also precipitate at lower protein concentrations? In isolated cases, we've had protein stocks precipitate overnight at 4 degrees, and the only way around it was to store them diluted, and concentrate right before any experiments/crystallization trials. In two

Re: [ccp4bb] Nucplot -where to download

2010-11-05 Thread Juha Vahokoski
Dear Joyce, PDBsum/EBI also produces Nucplot output. You can also upload you own file for analysis. also this might help you http://monster.northwestern.edu/ If you find any other alternatives, I am happy to hear them. HTH, Juha On 5 November 2010 21:06, Joyce wrou...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi,

Re: [ccp4bb] precipitation after storage

2010-11-05 Thread Tim Gruene
Hello Eric, I would try not to store a protein for 3-4 days and set up drops as quickly as possible. 3-4 days can be a long time for a sensitive protein. If you expressed too much, add 15% glycerol and store the protein at -80deg. Gel-filtrate the solution and re-concentrate before the next use.