Re: [ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-13 Thread R. M. Garavito
Lisa, As others have said, using careful data collection and the modern program suites available (SHARP, Phenix, etc.), a 300 KD complex with 111 Se-Met residues should be quite solvable. But you didn't state is what is in the asymmetric unit (the important figure): one complex with 111 Se-Me

Re: [ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-12 Thread Vellieux Frederic
Hi Lisa, hi all, Please do not discard the alternative method(s) of "conventional" heavy atoms. Co-crystallisation or heavy-atom containing mother liquor soaks. You may remember that "monster" complexes have been solved in the past by such methods, and sometimes there are difficulties in cryst

Re: [ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-12 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Frank von Delft wrote: > Finding 111 sites should be feasible without other tricks than very careful > data collection (see below);  if you have two or more copies in the ASU, you > may find you need to do what the ribosome guys did, namely use other > derivatives

Re: [ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-12 Thread Frank von Delft
If you don't have crystals yet, you'll find getting it to crystallize is your main problem. Finding 111 sites should be feasible without other tricks than very careful data collection (see below); if you have two or more copies in the ASU, you may find you need to do what the ribosome guys di

Re: [ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-12 Thread James Stroud
If you want to use se-Met, you might want to start by labeling only one protein at a time. For example, if you have A,B,C,D, grow crystals like this: se-A, B, C, D A, se-B, C, D, etc. Then try combinations of 2, then 3, then if you haven't got the phases you need, try all 4. And remember, if

Re: [ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-12 Thread Francis E Reyes
Do you have crystals? Do they diffract? If so, to what resolution? What resolution do you require to answer your biological question? F On Jun 12, 2012, at 7:46 PM, LISA wrote: > Hi all, > > My work is to solve huge complex containing 4 different proteins and total > molecular weight is ab

[ccp4bb] how to get phase of huge complex

2012-06-12 Thread LISA
Hi all, My work is to solve huge complex containing 4 different proteins and total molecular weight is about 300 KD. I can purify the complex by co-expression them in E.coli. This complex contains 8 protein A, 2 protein B and 1 protein C and D. protein B and protein C have homology structures de