Re: [ccp4bb] when does non-isomorphism become a habit?

2020-12-09 Thread Ailong Ke
Good thoughts, although there are always exceptions. For example, if a crystal contact is mediated by an extended domain that is capable of adopting multiple conformations (due to elbow motion, for example), then it may allow multiple crystal forms. It happens a lot in RNA crystals, but can

Re: [ccp4bb] when does non-isomorphism become a habit?

2020-12-09 Thread vincent Chaptal
Dear James, I'll second Manferd's post. We have a membrane protein that crystallizes with a continuum of cell dimensions, so different that you can't merge the data to reach full completeness, but you could manage to gain MR solutions for some discrete states of the continuum and ending up in

Re: [ccp4bb] when does non-isomorphism become a habit?

2020-12-08 Thread Manfred S. Weiss
Dear James, let's spin the thought a bit further. What if there is a new program (Phaser-II) some day, for which the coordinates in your "new crystal form" are all of a sudden within the radius of convergence again? Does this bring your "new crystal form" back to the old crystal form again? I'd

Re: [ccp4bb] when does non-isomorphism become a habit?

2020-12-08 Thread Robert Stroud
Hmmm…interesting James!. I don’t usually make a habit of trying to form a class, or losing face because of a point, -or even making a group in space.. But.. Id say it is neither different form nor different habit. -since these are centuries old terms -and still valuable, - from mineralogy

[ccp4bb] when does non-isomorphism become a habit?

2020-12-08 Thread James Holton
I have a semantics question, and I know how much this forum loves discussing semantics. We've all experienced non-isomorphism, where two crystals, perhaps even grown from the same drop, yield different data. Different enough so that merging them makes your overall data quality worse. I'd say