Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-22 Thread Herman . Schreuder
] On Behalf Of James Holton Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:20 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff I don't think there is any relationship between rate constants and B factors. Yes, there is the hand-wavy argument of disorder begets disorder

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-22 Thread George M. Sheldrick
, Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of James Holton Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:20 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff I don't think there is any

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Vellieux Frederic
I can direct you to PDB entry 1EWY, where the average isotropic temperature factor for the major component of the complex is ca. 47 A**2 and that for the smaller component is ca. 69 A**2. Similar values than the ones you are reporting. I am assuming some sort of disorder, or if you prefer,

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Justin Hall
Hi Sebastiano, I have had some experience with protein:protein complexes with KD ~ 10-1 uM, kinetic characterization and trying to purify a complex of these proteins using SEC. While I would say that if you have reliable evidence from SPR that you have a fast on (high Kon), then you must

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Jacob Keller
...@onid.orst.edu To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff Hi Sebastiano, I have had some experience with protein:protein complexes with KD ~ 10-1 uM, kinetic characterization and trying to purify a complex

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
. Best, Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jacob Keller Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:01 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff A suggestion for purifying the complex

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Jacob Keller
] On Behalf Of Jacob Keller Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 3:01 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff A suggestion for purifying the complex: let's say there is a 5mL gap between the complex and one of its (smaller)constituents A. You can pre-load

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread VAN RAAIJ , MARK JOHAN
Hi Sebastiano, I don't see how the k-off would influence this, given the timescale of growing crystals. An explanation in terms of high Kd and relative lack of crystal contacts for the component with higher temperature factors would sound more convincing to me. Mark Quoting Vellieux

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Jacob Keller
Message - From: Justin Hall hallj...@onid.orst.edu To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff Hi Sebastiano, I have had some experience with protein:protein complexes with KD ~ 10-1 uM, kinetic

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
:57 PM To: Schreuder, Herman RD/DE Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff I should add that this procedure is really only advantageous for high Koff complexes. If the complex does not dissociate appreciably in the time required for SEC, I agree

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Jacob Keller
To: Schreuder, Herman RD/DE Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff I should add that this procedure is really only advantageous for high Koff complexes. If the complex does not dissociate appreciably in the time required for SEC, I agree

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff Well, if one of the components is a small peptide and the solutions are dilute, it is hard to concentrate the complex, as the free peptide will go through the concentrator! It's a tricky problem. JPK On Fri

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Tanner, John J.
This doesn't directly address your question, but since the subject of analyzing protein-protein interactions with gel filtration is raised on this bb occasionally, I thought I would mention that there are cases in which conventional gel filtration chromatography fails to provide evidence of a

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Jacob Keller
proteins with immobilized Escherichia coli RNA polymerase. J Mol Biol 88(2):373-383. JPK - Original Message - From: Tanner, John J. tanne...@missouri.edu To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Narayanasami Sukumar
Sebastiano, We observed similar phenomenon in our protein-protein complex. This reference will give you details (Crystal Structure of an Electron Transfer Complex between Aromatic Amine Dehydrogenase- Azurin from Alcaligenes faecalis, Biochemistry, 45, 13500-13510, 2006). Sukumar Narayanasami

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread James Holton
I don't think there is any relationship between rate constants and B factors. Yes, there is the hand-wavy argument of disorder begets disorder (and people almost always LITERALLY wave their hands when they propose this), but you have to be much more careful than that when it comes to

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Daniel Anderson
Maybe you should look at: Rotation barriers in crystals from atomic displacement parameters Emily Maverick and Jack Dunitz (1987) Vol 62(2), 451-459. They reported that the libration amplitude of one part of a crystalline small molecule relative to another part is strongly correlated to bond

Re: [ccp4bb] relationship between B factors and Koff

2010-11-19 Thread Daniel Anderson
The journal was Molecular Physics (1987) Vol 62(2), 451-459. (my brain librates when I type) Daniel Anderson wrote: Maybe you should look at: Rotation barriers in crystals from atomic displacement parameters Emily Maverick and Jack Dunitz (1987) Vol 62(2), 451-459. They reported that the