Re: [ccp4bb] atomic scattering factors in REFMAC

2011-11-03 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Just for the record, except for charge density studies most small molecule structures are refined with neutral atom scattering factors even when ions such as Cl- are present. For example SHELX uses 4 Gaussian plus const: International Tables for Crystallography (1992). Users rarely input ionic

Re: [ccp4bb] atomic scattering factors in REFMAC

2011-11-03 Thread Alexandre OURJOUMTSEV
Dear all, Just as a historic reminder, I feel necessary to mention a key article on refinement, written by R.Aragwal (1978) in Acta Cryst A, where he used 1- and 2-gaussian atomic factors (obviously, less precise that 4 gaussians + constant but allowed him at that moment to accelerate as much

Re: [ccp4bb] atomic scattering factors in REFMAC

2011-11-03 Thread Eleanor Dodson
James - you are fantastic! This is so educational.. Eleanor On 11/02/2011 02:36 AM, James Holton wrote: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Ivan Shabalinshabali...@inbox.ru wrote: Does that mean, that with Bf10 we cannot distinguish Mg and water by electron density peak profile? Even if oxygen

Re: [ccp4bb] atomic scattering factors in REFMAC

2011-11-03 Thread Ian Tickle
James, this doesn't take the effect of resolution cut-offs into account, right? You appear to be assuming that you have data to atomic resolution (~ 1 A) or better. The integral of the scattering factor should be confined to the experimental resolution range, otherwise it's not going to be very

[ccp4bb] Installation of CCP4 under Windows 7

2011-11-03 Thread Jan Dohnalek
does not seem to create anything runnable - please any experience here? I downloaded the latest Windows package all users - type. Installed under admin (as it would not let me otherwise). Now as a user I cannot start the interface no matter what I try. There is no ccp4.setup file ... Jan --

[ccp4bb] off-topic: Topology diagram

2011-11-03 Thread lysudiezhang1985
Dear all Does anyone know what tools can get a topology diagram ? Thanks! Zhang Qi lysudiezhang1985 via foxmail

Re: [ccp4bb] off-topic: Topology diagram

2011-11-03 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Zhang Qi, I like this url: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=topology+diagram+protein which quickly takes you to e.g. pdbsum. Tim On 11/03/2011 01:48 PM, lysudiezhang1985 wrote: Dear all Does anyone know what tools can get a topology diagram ?

Re: [ccp4bb] Installation of CCP4 under Windows 7

2011-11-03 Thread Jacob Keller
Hmm, works fine for me. Maybe disable user account control? Jacob On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Jan Dohnalek dohnalek...@gmail.com wrote: does not seem to create anything runnable - please any experience here? I downloaded the latest Windows package all users - type. Installed under admin

Re: [ccp4bb] Installation of CCP4 under Windows 7

2011-11-03 Thread Rajesh kumar
I have slightly different problem. I have windows 7 Enterprise. I don't get any shortcuts on my desktop after installation.I work with admin account. If I try to execute /ccp4-6.2.0/ccp4i/bin/ccp4i.tcl I get the following error. please see attachment.I installed

Re: [ccp4bb] atomic scattering factors in REFMAC

2011-11-03 Thread James Holton
Yes, in my gnuplot form factor functions, x is the real-space distance from the center of the atom in Angstrom and the return value is electron density in electrons/A^3. I did not realize the gnuplot file would be so interesting! If anyone wants the reciprocal-space version (which is

Re: [ccp4bb] Archiving Images for PDB Depositions

2011-11-03 Thread James Holton
I tried looking for such evil symmetry problem examples some time ago, only to find that primitive monoclinic with a 90-degree beta angle is much more rare than one might think by looking at the PDB. About 1/3 of them are in the wrong space group. Indeed, there are at least 366 PDB entries

Re: [ccp4bb] Archiving Images for PDB Depositions

2011-11-03 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
Hi James, scary ... I was just looking at exactly the same thing (P21 with beta~90), using the same tool (POINTLESS). Currently I'm going through the structures for which images can be found ... I haven't gone far through that list yet (in fact actually only the first one), but this first case

Re: [ccp4bb] Archiving Images for PDB Depositions

2011-11-03 Thread Bryan Lepore
not sure I follow this thread, but this table might be interesting : http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2010/05/00/dz5193/dz5193sup1.pdf from: Detection and correction of underassigned rotational symmetry prior to structure deposition B. K. Poon, R. W. Grosse-Kunstleve, P. H. Zwart and N. K.

Re: [ccp4bb] Archiving Images for PDB Depositions

2011-11-03 Thread Clemens Vonrhein
On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 04:13:44PM -0400, Bryan Lepore wrote: not sure I follow this thread, but this table might be interesting : http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2010/05/00/dz5193/dz5193sup1.pdf from: Detection and correction of underassigned rotational symmetry prior to structure

Re: [ccp4bb] Archiving Images for PDB Depositions

2011-11-03 Thread Felix Frolow
God bess the symmetry, we are saved from the over-interpreting symmetry (except probably of very exotic cases) by the very high Rsym factors around 40% 50% if the symmetry is wrong. Even wild rejection of outliers, cannot reform acceptable Rmerge. In my personal repository, 1QZV is a manifest

Re: [ccp4bb] Archiving Images for PDB Depositions

2011-11-03 Thread Felix Frolow
Clemens, In the past, we have used TRACER (free domain) for higher symmetry or we interpreted manually Niggly values :-) TRACER is gone long time ago. Niggly values are not displayed anymore, so we trust auto indexing of DENZO which, assuming all experimental parameters are properly set ( we

Re: [ccp4bb] off-topic: Topology diagram

2011-11-03 Thread Petr Leiman
That lmgtfy.com is as almost as cool as HHpred. Thanks for a very useful piece of information! Petr On Nov 3, 2011, at 2:06 PM, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Zhang Qi, I like this url: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=topology+diagram+protein which