Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Graeme Winter
OK, feel like I need to comment on this one. In terms of general programming you could use whatever you like, perl (if as was said above you like write-only programs) tcl, python, c++ etc. However if you would like to do crystallographic calculations, I can recommend that Python + CCTBX is

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Yuri, if there is somebody near your office who knows the language XYZ pretty well, go ahead and use that language. It's probably worth a lot more having somebody to discuss your code with than to try and find a consensus from people's opinion

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Phil Evans
If you know C++, I've found Kevin Cowtan's Clipper libraries very useful for doing little analyses involving coordinate superposition, etc. I'm not sure I would recommend learning C++ just for this purpose (though it's a good language to know). Clipper is distributed in CCP4 Phil On 24 Jan

Re: [ccp4bb] New Faster-than-fast Fourier transform

2012-01-24 Thread Adam Ralph
   Those people considering running faster code should consider using GPGPUs. Advantages of GPUs are that they have many more cores than CPU. The  disadvantages are that the communication between the CPU and GPU is slow and  memory management is tricker. Thus there is no guarantee that code will

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Pascal
Hi, Le lundi 23 janvier 2012 23:29:39 vous avez écrit : On Jan 23, 2012, at 9:46 PM, Yuri Pompeu wrote: Hello Everyone, I want to play around with some coding/programming. Just simple calculations from an input PDB file, B factors averages, occupancies, molecular weight, so forth... What

Re: [ccp4bb] Building Coot with SSM

2012-01-24 Thread Paul Emsley
On 23/01/12 19:49, Dale Tronrud wrote: Hi, I'm having trouble building Coot on a Gentoo system. When I try to perform a SSM overlay I am told that I need to build the program with libmmdbssm. I can't find a Gentoo package that provides libmmdbssm but there is a libmmdb and a libssm. When

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Paul Emsley
On 24/01/12 04:46, Yuri Pompeu wrote: Hello Everyone, I want to play around with some coding/programming. Just simple calculations from an input PDB file, B factors averages, occupancies, molecular weight, so forth... What should I use python,C++, visual basic? thanks Yuri, My 2c... It

[ccp4bb] Biology infrastructure at the XFEL

2012-01-24 Thread Victor Lamzin
The European Molecular Biology Laboratory (EMBL) and the European X-ray Free Electron Laser (XFEL) at DESY, Hamburg, Germany, have a keen interest in the development of FEL-based applications in structural biology. Within this framework the EMBL, together with international collaborators

[ccp4bb] Crystallization robot and trypsin

2012-01-24 Thread Horacio Botti
Dear all We may use a Honeybee 963 robot to screen crystallization conditions for trypsin-containing protein samples and we are worried about robot contamination by residual protease. How do you normally clean robots when using this kind of sample? Your suggestions/recommendations will be

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread David Schuller
On 01/24/12 00:41, Bart Hazes wrote: I have used a number of languages and have found only one I really disliked, that being perl. It is hard for me to imagine that this language was developed by a linguist yet in my eyes it is the least natural language from human comprehension point of

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread David Schuller
Trigonal space groups have a choice of two arbitrary settings. Were all those 180 frames collected in one pass? What were the integration statistics? What was the phasing method? Did you have a pre-existing structure*, molecular replacement, anomalous, or what? * This is the one I am

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Frank von Delft
What an astonishingly low bar On 24/01/2012 14:19, David Schuller wrote: On 01/24/12 00:41, Bart Hazes wrote: I have used a number of languages and have found only one I really disliked, that being perl. It is hard for me to imagine that this language was developed by a linguist yet in

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Greg Costakes
It would seem that you have a large model bias. Rule of thumb is to keep R/Rfree within 5% of each other. If you find that the numbers are separating during refinement you need to reduce the weighting factor (dont use automatic) during refinement. What is your overall redundancy? Higher

Re: [ccp4bb] New Faster-than-fast Fourier transform

2012-01-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Adam Ralph adam.ra...@nuim.ie wrote:    CUDA is a set of extensions for C which will allow you to access hardware accelerators (certain NVidia cards in this case). CUDA has been around for a while and there are CUDA libraries for FFT and BLAS.    I have not

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization robot and trypsin

2012-01-24 Thread Regina Kettering
We have a Honeybee system but do not usually use proteases.  The biggest problem we have found is that if anything precipitates in the tips they have to be washed very well, usually with water or ethanol.  The ceramic tip can be washed using low concentrations of HCl (0.1M), which I believe

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization robot and trypsin

2012-01-24 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato
Hi Horacio, we have a Cartesian Honeybee and perform trypsin-containing trials by setting up drops with a dedicated protein+trypsin tip, which we then wash extensively with water, 6 M guanidinium hydrochloride, then water, isopropanol and again water. hth, ciao, Sebastiano On Jan 24, 2012, at

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Debreczeni, Judit
Another vote for python+cctbx. And a bit of fun: http://xkcd.com/224/ http://xkcd.com/297/ http://xkcd.com/353/ http://comicjk.com/comic.php/217 http://comicjk.com/comic.php/823 http://comicjk.com/comic.php/842 http://comicjk.com/comic.php/849 From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] New Faster-than-fast Fourier transform

2012-01-24 Thread David S. Cerutti
I realize the list is large and I don't want to clutter inboxes, but anyone who may be lightly considering GPU implementations should understand that this technology, while useful for some applications, is probably not economical for crystallography refinements. I do not have personal programming

[ccp4bb] Expression of Viral proteins for crystallography

2012-01-24 Thread Rubén Sánchez Eugenia
Dear everyone, I am trying to clone a viral protein in the E. Coli BSJ strain and i am having some problems. I start from the viral RNA carrying out a reverse transcription and PCR (RT-PCR) to obtain the protein cDNA. When I sequence this cDNA to check for mutations, there are no mutations. So

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Ian Tickle
On 24 January 2012 14:19, David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu wrote: On 01/24/12 00:41, Bart Hazes wrote: www.cs.siue.edu/~astefik/papers/StefikPlateau2011.pdf An Empirical Comparison of the Accuracy Rates of Novices using the Quorum, Perl, and Randomo Programming Languages A. Stefik, S.

Re: [ccp4bb] Expression of Viral proteins for crystallography

2012-01-24 Thread Darren Hart
I think the explanation is this: The source is natural viral RNA which is a mixture of naturally mutated sequences (e.g. flu forms such a quasispecies) See: http://www.virology.ws/2009/05/11/the-quasispecies-concept/ The pooled RNA has an average sequence that you see when you sequence the pooled

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Ian Tickle
On 24 January 2012 15:23, Greg Costakes gcost...@purdue.edu wrote: It would seem that you have a large model bias. Rule of thumb is to keep R/Rfree within 5% of each other. If you find that the numbers are separating during refinement you need to reduce the weighting factor (dont use

Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization robot and trypsin

2012-01-24 Thread Bart Hazes
On 12-01-24 08:39 AM, Regina Kettering wrote: We have a Honeybee system but do not usually use proteases. The biggest problem we have found is that if anything precipitates in the tips they have to be washed very well, usually

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread James Stroud
I should know better than to touch a flame post, but, but here goes: flame don't use anything but python. They are nightmare languages, sloppy, and force you to format the code by inserting semantically redundant brackets and semicolons in a specific way rather than dispensing these

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
Is this observation about redundancies a general rule that I missed? It seems rather surprising to me. What have results have others seen? Dale Tronrud On 01/24/12 07:23, Greg Costakes wrote: snip... Higher redundancies (7 or so) do tend to increase overall R/Rfree. snip...

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Bart Hazes
On 12-01-24 09:36 AM, Ian Tickle wrote: On 24 January 2012 14:19, David Schullerdj...@cornell.edu wrote: On 01/24/12 00:41, Bart Hazes wrote: www.cs.siue.edu/~astefik/papers/StefikPlateau2011.pdf An Empirical Comparison of the Accuracy Rates of Novices using the Quorum, Perl, and Randomo

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Greg Costakes
Whoops, I misspoke... I meant Rsym and Rmerge increase with higher redundancies. --- Greg Costakes PhD Candidate Department of Structural Biology Purdue University Hockmeyer Hall, Room 320 240 S. Martin Jischke

Re: [ccp4bb] Expression of Viral proteins for crystallography

2012-01-24 Thread Jacob Keller
Inspired by the recent post about quasispecies: I have been bothered recently by the following problem: why do species of genetic uniformity exist at all (or do they?)? This first came up when I saw a Nature paper describing live bacteria extracted from a supposedly 250-million-year-old salt

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Ian Tickle
On 24 January 2012 08:59, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: [flame=;-)] P.S.: don't use python. It's a nightmare language, sloppy, it forces you to format the code in a specific way rather than your own way and ... [/flame] I'm inclined to go along with you there: the main reason

[ccp4bb] Quasispecies

2012-01-24 Thread Jacob Keller
Whoops--I meant to change the subject line, so if you want to reply, please use this one not to perturb the original post. JPK Inspired by the recent post about quasispecies: I have been bothered recently by the following problem: why do species of genetic uniformity exist at all (or do

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Ian Tickle ianj...@gmail.com wrote: reassuring air of finality!  Maybe a Python expert will answer this but I've often wondered, what happens if as some editors do (particularly if as I do you have to use different editors at different times depending on where

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread James Stroud
On Jan 24, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Ian Tickle wrote: Maybe a Python expert will answer this but I've often wondered, what happens if as some editors do (particularly if as I do you have to use different editors at different times depending on where you are working, such as on Windows working

Re: [ccp4bb] Off-topic: ELNs

2012-01-24 Thread Seiji Sugiman-Marangos
Thanks everyone for your responses. I've tried to summarize the suggestions and feedback from this thread: - This was a very small sample size, but overall ConturELN (http://www.contur.com) from Accelerys was the most popular option, followed by Labguru (http://www.labguru.com). Two others

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
El 24/01/12 18:56, Greg Costakes escribió: Whoops, I misspoke... I meant Rsym and Rmerge increase with higher redundancies. But then suppose that one merges data from a crystal that is degrading while exposed, sp the data gets degraded. This is not at all unusual. In the absence of a deep

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread James Holton
When did writing scripts become off topic for the CCP4BB!? Personally, I use awk for most text-processing tasks, and since I have found that ~95% of science is converting information from one file format into another, I tend to use awk a lot. The k in awk stands for Kernighan, one of the

Re: [ccp4bb] Problem with getting Rfree and Rf down

2012-01-24 Thread Dale Tronrud
On 01/24/12 11:52, Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote: El 24/01/12 18:56, Greg Costakes escribió: Whoops, I misspoke... I meant Rsym and Rmerge increase with higher redundancies. But then suppose that one merges data from a crystal that is degrading while exposed, sp the data gets degraded.

[ccp4bb] secondary structure output

2012-01-24 Thread Ed Pozharski
I am looking for a program/server that would determine secondary structure from a pdb file and then output a new pdb file with HELIX/SHEET records. I have a model for which pymol fails to produce correct secondary structure. DSSP and STRIDE identify the secondary structure correctly but I'd need

Re: [ccp4bb] secondary structure output

2012-01-24 Thread James Stroud
Try DSSP2PDB. http://structure.usc.edu/dssp2pdb/ It's a perl script. Crossover flame note: I spent a lot of time learning perl and I still don't recommend the language ;-) James On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Ed Pozharski wrote: I am looking for a program/server that would determine

Re: [ccp4bb] secondary structure output

2012-01-24 Thread Martin Hällberg
You can try STRIDE2PyMOL: http://pldserver1.biochem.queensu.ca/~rlc/work/pymol/stride_ss.py /Martin On Jan 24, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Ed Pozharski wrote: I am looking for a program/server that would determine secondary structure from a pdb file and then output a new pdb file with HELIX/SHEET

Re: [ccp4bb] quasispecies

2012-01-24 Thread Bart Hazes
On 12-01-24 11:20 AM, Jacob Keller wrote: Inspired by the recent post about quasispecies: I have been bothered recently by the following problem: why do species of genetic uniformity exist at all (or do they?)? This first came up when I saw a Nature paper describing live bacteria extracted from

Re: [ccp4bb] secondary structure output

2012-01-24 Thread James Stroud
This reminds me of stride2pdb in case you want to use more than pymol with your secondary structure assignments: http://structure.usc.edu/stride2pdb/ James On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Martin Hällberg wrote: You can try STRIDE2PyMOL:

[ccp4bb] A story of acetoacetate decarboxylase

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Jin
Dear All, I wrote a story about the catalysis of Acetoacetate Decarboxylase. It is available here: http://www.jinkai.org/AAD_history.html http://www.jinkai.org/AAD_catalysis.html I wish you will like it. Regards, Kevin

Re: [ccp4bb] writing scripts-off topic

2012-01-24 Thread Pete Meyer
Oh, and don't fall for the so other people can read your code trick. Trust me, NOBODY wants to read your code! Unless, of course, they are trying to re-write it in their favorite language. I don't think this is necessarily the case. If I'm using your code to do something scientifically

Re: [ccp4bb] Autoreply: [ccp4bb] A story of acetoacetate decarboxylase

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Jin
Dear All, I got this email. Is my account blocked? Thanks, Kevin 2012/1/24 asch...@cipf.es: Esta cuenta de correo electrónico dejara de existir dentro de 6 meses (25/05/2012). Si desea ponerse en contacto con el titular de este correo hágalo a través del siguiente e-mail:

Re: [ccp4bb] secondary structure output

2012-01-24 Thread Eric Pettersen
On Jan 24, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Ed Pozharski wrote: I am looking for a program/server that would determine secondary structure from a pdb file and then output a new pdb file with HELIX/SHEET records. I have a model for which pymol fails to produce correct secondary structure. DSSP and STRIDE

Re: [ccp4bb] Expression of Viral proteins for crystallography

2012-01-24 Thread Stefan Gajewski
Rubén, the previous answer probably addresses your problem accurately. However. If your protein of interest modifies DNA/RNA, it is quite common that your pET constructs will mutate rapidly in E.coli. Lac operons tend to leak quite a bit, which is not enough to detect the protein prior to

Re: [ccp4bb] Autoreply: [ccp4bb] A story of acetoacetate decarboxylase

2012-01-24 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia
El 25/01/12 01:19, Kevin Jin escribió: Dear All, I got this email. Is my account blocked? Thanks, Kevin 2012/1/24 asch...@cipf.es: Esta cuenta de correo electrónico dejara de existir dentro de 6 meses (25/05/2012). Si desea ponerse en contacto con el titular de este correo