[ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread James Davidson
Dear All, This is my first post to the group - so Hello! I have searched with not much success to find an answer to my question, so I thought I would try posting here for some expert advice. I should start by saying that I am not a crystallographer, but please don't hold that against me!

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear James, if I understand correctly you want to transform structure B onto structure A and then compare the crystallographic packing of A and B. I might be wrong, but I think the most convenient way for the users would be a display program which

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Of James Davidson Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:58 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates? Dear All, This is my first post to the group - so Hello! I have searched

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi James First off, welcome to CCP4BB! I think a bit of matrix algebra solves your problem. Define for the original PDB file: Xf = SoXo (SCALE transformation orth - fract). Xs = OoXo (ORIGX orth - submitted) where upper case means matrix or vector, lower case (subscript) identifies different

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates? Hi James First off, welcome to CCP4BB! I think a bit of matrix algebra solves your problem. Define

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Tickle
*Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates? Hi James First off, welcome to CCP4BB! I think a bit of matrix algebra solves your problem. Define for the original PDB file: Xf = SoXo (SCALE transformation orth - fract). Xs = OoXo (ORIGX orth - submitted

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Tickle
On 13 March 2013 14:51, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: ** As I see it, there is no need to change the orthogonal coordinates. They are used in connection with the SYMTRY records to generate the symmetry mates. Changing the orthogonal coordinates would mean changing the SYMTRY records,

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Frances C. Bernstein
In the early days of the PDB coordinates were submitted in many different coordinate systems: orthogonal fractional grid (normalize each cell edge to 100 so that all coordinates are between 0 and 100) build physical model using 2 cm per Angstrom parts and then measure coordinates

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates? Hi Herman Yes your solution would also work, and is also safer in the event that other programs don't know how to handle SCALE ORIGX records

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Sampson, Jared
Hi James - If you need the transformed coordinates in the original form for another program, this may not help, but if you just want to compare the packing between structures, have a look at PyMOL's matrix_copy command (http://pymolwiki.org/index.php/Matrix_copy). # load your files load

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Herman . Schreuder
...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:22 PM To: Schreuder, Herman RD/DE Cc: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates? On 13 March 2013 14:51, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread Ian Tickle
-- *From:* Ian Tickle [mailto:ianj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:22 PM *To:* Schreuder, Herman RD/DE *Cc:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates? On 13 March 2013 14:51, herman.schreu

Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates?

2013-03-13 Thread James Davidson
for the help! Kind regards James From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Ian Tickle Sent: 13 March 2013 15:59 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Best practice for transformed PDB coordinates? Herman, Yes you are right. I was assuming that since