Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Phoebe A. Rice
: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T I guess the big question is what is the question that you’re trying to address from those numbers? I’d be nervous about making conclusions about trends in B factors from just 1 data set per temperature. As you probably know, the B factors will reflect

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Jon Cooper
Cool, typed a long reply but only about 1/3 of it is still relevant and is given below. The crystal would have to be capillary mounted for these data collections or the humidity controlled somehow. Only 253 K would be a good one to use. Pre-cryo, this used to give good data at SRS! Interested i

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Matt McLeod
Hi all, This is my first JISC post so I am still working on how to navigate this. I have to say I feel like there is a much better way to have a forum on structural biology... I could imagine a discord server where we can post individual questions, have live chats, etc. I'd be happy to set th

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmmm - very puzzling.. One expects the for the atoms to more or less match the Wilson B for the data sets.. There are some mini bugs which can mislead you. Is your average a mean or an RMS value? RMS ones can be hugely inflated if you have a few crazily high Bs and the refinement programs can out

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Harry Powell
Hi Graeme good to know that I haven’t forgotten everything. Rgarding the data collection - I don’t think the OP mentioned how many crystals were used in the data collection (unless, of course, I’ve been reading even less carefully than normal…). Harry > On 8 Sep 2022, at 10:29, Winter, Graeme

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Winter, Graeme (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)
Hi Harry, You’re not wrong - “conventional wisdom” these days is pointing to CC of about 0.3 but I suspect that the difference is pretty modest in general However, in the case, the difference could have an impact as the higher resolution reflections may have something to say about the overall B

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Harry Powell
hi folks I’ve been away from data processing for a while, but am I alone in thinking that scaling to ~0.6 CC 1/2 cutoff might be ignoring a lot of useful data? I seem to remember that AutoProc and xia2.multiplex use a default of >= 0.3. Harry > On 7 Sep 2022, at 19:46, Matt McLeod wrote: > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Bohdan Schneider
ard on behalf of Phoebe A. Rice *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2022 10:48 AM *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T I guess the big question is what is the question that you’re trying to address from those numbers? I’d be nervous about making conclusi

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Winter, Graeme (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)
Hi Matt, You mention that you process with DIALS - one thing I would recommend is scaling all the data together then merging each temperature point separately - I could do with preparing a HOWTO on this [1] - this would then mean that they are being scaled to be as similar as possible before yo

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-08 Thread Gerard Bricogne
temperature (which I also > > think is a little strange and I don't have an explanation). > > cheers, tom > > -- > > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board on behalf of Phoebe > > A. Rice > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2022 10:48 AM >

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-07 Thread Jan Dohnalek
ent:* Thursday, September 8, 2022 10:48 AM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T > > > I guess the big question is what is the question that you’re trying to > address from those numbers? I’d be nervous about making conclusions abo

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-07 Thread Tom Peat
of Matt McLeod Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 1:57 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T Hi everyone, I have a series of datasets at 253K (~2.0A), 273K (2.0A), 293K (2.0A), 313K (2.2A) and I am curious as to the details in determining B-factors.

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-07 Thread Phoebe A. Rice
: Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 1:57 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T Hi everyone, I have a series of datasets at 253K (~2.0A), 273K (2.0A), 293K (2.0A), 313K (2.2A) and I am curious as to the details in determining B-factors. I have treated

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-07 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 11:57 AM Matt McLeod wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have a series of datasets at 253K (~2.0A), 273K (2.0A), 293K (2.0A), > 313K (2.2A) and I am curious as to the details in determining B-factors. > In the larger physical universe those temperatures are not very far apart. I

Re: [ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-07 Thread Matt McLeod
In addition, I computed the wilson B.s 253 - 41 273 - 35.4 293 - 36.5 313 - 0.19 Looks like there is definitely an issue with the data scaling. Still looking for suggestions as to what to tweak. Matt To unsubscribe from

[ccp4bb] Lower b-factors with increasing T

2022-09-07 Thread Matt McLeod
Hi everyone, I have a series of datasets at 253K (~2.0A), 273K (2.0A), 293K (2.0A), 313K (2.2A) and I am curious as to the details in determining B-factors. I have treated these datasets more-or-less identically for comparison's sake. I used DIALS to index, integrate, and scale the data. I sc