Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-16 Thread RHYS GRINTER
Hi All, A truly herculean response! Thanks everyone, I will process all of the information and come up with a strategy. Rhys

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-16 Thread David Briggs
Hi Rhys, It's worth paying close attention to your crystallisation conditions as well - some heavy atom compounds will not be at all soluble in very alkaline (they'll form insoluble hydroxides) or phosphate/sulphate containing mother liquors. A very low pH may reduce the binding efficiency of

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-16 Thread Gaudet, Rachelle
Hi John, Another way to screen for mercury derivatives. Rachelle vincent Chaptal vincent.chap...@ibcp.fr wrote: Hi Rhys, you already have a lot of suggestions to try. We all have our own reciepe for good derivatization, and this is due to the fact that we don't really understand what is

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-16 Thread Ho Leung Ng
A favorite resource is Bart Hazes' web page on heavy atom derivatives. http://homepage.usask.ca/~pag266/bart-hazes.html Ho Ho Leung Ng University of Hawaii at Manoa Assistant Professor, Department of Chemistry h...@hawaii.edu

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Matthias Zebisch
free cysteines? - pCMB phosphate-binding? - tungstate Best, Matthias - Dr. Matthias Zebisch Division of Structural Biology, Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford, Roosevelt Drive, Oxford OX3 7BN, UK Phone (+44) 1865 287549; Fax

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Bert Van-Den-Berg
You don't mention the condition, which is important (esp pH). Best pH values are 6-8. From personal experience: try K2PtCl4 and OsCl3. Try ~5 mM for 30-60' (quick soak). The advantage of osmium salts is that they give a nice color to your crystals so you know something is binding. HTH and GL,

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Engin Özkan
There is quite a bit of literature on this, but my favorite paper is this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18391402 Towards a rational approach for heavy-atom derivative screening in protein crystallography. Spoiler: The overall winner is ethyl mercury phosphate (Figure 7). Of course,

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Tanner, John J.
More references to consider… You asked about soaking times - here are two articles advocating quick soaking at relatively high heavy atom concentration, which has worked well for us. We've had good luck with thimerosal. Acta Crystallogr D Biol Crystallogr. 2002 Jul;58(Pt 7):1099-103. Epub

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Jim Pflugrath
And quick iodide soaks may be useful in the 200 mM range. See the sped-up video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45Qc3jOPaKY Quiz time: What wavelength would give iodide a similar signal to that of selenium? Can one get a better signal than selenium by choosing a different wavelength for

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Scott Classen
On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Jim Pflugrath wrote: Quiz time: What wavelength would give iodide a similar signal to that of selenium? Can one get a better signal than selenium by choosing a different wavelength for data collection? I'll bite, At ~11,000eV Iodine has about 3.8

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread jens Preben Morth
Hi do not forget the clusters like Ta6Br12 or the lanthanides. in case your interesting protein is a membrane protein there are some choices that might work better than other we have described it here. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16855303 This is not exclusive to membrane proteins at

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Rhys, an important addendum to the magic triangle is the fact that it gives you direct evidence whether or not the substructure search has succeeded (by locating the triangle in the substructure solution) so that you can carry on with phasing via density modification. At 3.5A resolution this

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Keith Wilson
Keith's favourites over many years (shared with Gideon): K2PtCl4 K2PtCN4 KAu(CN)2 Ethyl Mercury Thiosalicylate (gentle Hg reagent) Try for about 2-12 hours at 1 mM initially. If crystals crack, reduce concentration - at least they bind! If these don't work, then finding a derivative is

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Keith Wilson
Also, if you have a sample changer for easy screening, try 1 mM, 5 mM 20 mM of each for 1h, 5h, overnight, and screen all ~60 crystals for diffraction overnight.Send those that survive to the synchrotron. K On 15 Jan 2014, at 17:18, RHYS GRINTER wrote: Hello message board, My group has

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Matthew Franklin
Hi Rhys - Don't forget to try sulfur-SAD, especially the multi-crystal version published recently: http://journals.iucr.org/d/issues/2013/07/00/ba5189/index.html This seems well suited to your situation. - Matt On 1/15/14 12:18 PM, RHYS GRINTER wrote: Hello message board, My group has

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Klaus Fütterer
Did anybody mention native gel electrophoresis to select suitable HA ions? Worked for us really nicely in a situation were speed was essential. Here's a reference: PMID 14646083 Klaus === Dr. Klaus Fütterer Room 717,

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Talon Romain
Hello Rhys Grinter, hello to the ccp4bb community, I don't necessarily want to advertise here one of the major research topic of Eric Girard and late Richard Kahn lab (my previous lab ;-) ) but... You could maybe try lanthanide complexes ? They are composed by a chemical ligand, which can

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Santosh Panjikar
Dear Rhys, You may consider Xenon derivative, which could be prepared simply pressurizing the protein crystals in a xenon chamber. It does not require any modification of mother liquor. It just needs cryo-protectant where crystals are stable for at least one to two mins. Higher Pressure (20

Re: [ccp4bb] Best compounds for heavy atom soaks

2014-01-15 Thread Jeremy Tame
You may be missing a trick by not using metals as crystallisation additives if your best diffraction is only 3.5 Angstroms. Uranium has to be my favourite heavy metal, even if I've solved more structures with Pt and Hg. It gave crystals diffracting to 1.2 A from a protein that otherwise gave