Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-25 Thread Murray, James W
@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Frank Murphy [frankvmur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:03 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom?? Dear Haytham, It should be relatively simple (and quick) to determine the metal in your sample employing

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-25 Thread Seijo, Jose A. Cuesta
Shameless self plug: http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?fw5057 That was done with a crappy crystal in a relatively weak beamline. With a good crystal one can get cleaner data. Cheers. Jose. Jose Antonio Cuesta-Seijo, PhD Carlsberg

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Haytham Wahba haytham_wa...@yahoo.com wrote: 1- if i have anomalous peak of unknown heavy atom, How can i identify this heavy atom in general. (different methods) 2- in my case, i see anomalous peak in heavy atom binding site (without any soaking).

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:22:18 am Nat Echols wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Haytham Wahba haytham_wa...@yahoo.com wrote: 1- if i have anomalous peak of unknown heavy atom, How can i identify this heavy atom in general. (different methods) 2- in my case, i see anomalous

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Ethan Merritt merr...@u.washington.edu wrote: As to the home source - no. Neither Cu nor Zn has appreciable anomalous signal when excited with a Cu K-alpha home source. http://www.bmsc.washington.edu/scatter An element's emission edge (Cu K-alpha in this

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Roberts, Sue A - (suer)
Hello Actually, if the home source uses a copper tube, neither copper nor zinc have much of an anomalous signal at that wavelength (the energy is below the absorption edge for both). The best way is to check the location of the absorption edge at the synchrotron. Cu+ and Cu++ can be

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Jacob Keller
Perhaps also exafs should be mentioned--I believe the various ion species, redox states, and even binding geometry can be determined. JPK On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Roberts, Sue A - (suer) s...@email.arizona.edu wrote: Hello Actually, if the home source uses a copper tube, neither

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread James Austin
] How to identify unknow heavy atom?? Perhaps also exafs should be mentioned--I believe the various ion species, redox states, and even binding geometry can be determined. JPK On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Roberts, Sue A - (suer) s...@email.arizona.edu wrote: Hello Actually, if the home

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Jacob Keller
I think it's done on a crystal itself, but others who know better than I can comment. JPK On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Theresa Hsu theresah...@live.com wrote: Does EXAFS requires same amount of samples as ICP-MS/ICP-AES? Theresa On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:55:31 -0500, Jacob Keller

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Marco Mazzorana
Dear Haytham, may I address your points (although some nice hints have already come from previous replies) 1- if i have anomalous peak of unknown heavy atom, How can i identify this heavy atom in general. (different methods) To see anomalous peak I guess you have done the experiment at a

Re: [ccp4bb] How to identify unknow heavy atom??

2012-07-24 Thread Frank Murphy
Dear Haytham, It should be relatively simple (and quick) to determine the metal in your sample employing either crystallized sample or solution using X-ray fluorescence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_fluorescence) at any beamline with a silicon drift detector