Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-08 Thread Edward A. Berry
Roger Rowlett wrote: No. Kw = [H3O+][OH-] = 1 x 10^-14 at 25 deg C. So at pH 7.0, you have 10^-7 M each at equilibrium no matter how you slice it or whatever else is in solution. If equilibrium [H3O+] goes up [OH-] goes down commensurately. The pKa of water as an acid is based on Kw and

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Clement Angkawidjaja
Hi Deepak, Assuming that you have done the necessary things to measure the pKr of that particular Asp, I would say that the increase is advantageous for your enzyme. Enzyme catalysis often involves very subtle changes on the ionization state of the active site. But you need to be very careful

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Xiaodi Yu
Hi Deepak: I think it is common for the residues which participate catalysis to have a Pka deviated from the reality pKa value especially for acid/base catalysis (acid base titration assay can help you to figure out the way of catalysis). Usually the pKa values of these kind of critical

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Roger Rowlett
Residue pKa values in proteins are strongly affected by the local environment and can deviate far from the "norm". Of course, the higher the pKa of the residue, the stronger general base it will be. There is a significant thermodynamic/kinetic advantage in

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Kevin Jin
As we know, the pKa of water is 15.7. Under pH 7.0, its protonation should be 50/50. In this case, we may need to consider water in two formats: H2O vs. H3O+ When we say water as acid, it usually stands for H3O+ in chemistry. In chemical equation, H+ represents H3O+. In enzyme catalysis, water

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
] On Behalf Of Xiaodi Yu Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:00 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid Hi Deepak: I think it is common for the residues which participate catalysis to have a Pka deviated from the reality pKa value especially for acid/base

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
:59 AM To: 'Xiaodi Yu'; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid Check this review, for instance: Pace, C. et al. Protein Ionizable Groups: pK values and Their Contribution to Protein Stability and Solubility. J. Biol Chem. 284, 13285-13289 (May 15, 2009) Thierry

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Christian Roth
Hi, you may also look into the papers of John A. Gerlt, who did a lot on protonabtraction reactions and the theory behind this. Esspecially the pKa disturbance and the match to the pkA of the substrate of the reaction. Best Wishes Christian Am Dienstag 07 Februar 2012 12:48:26 schrieb

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Hong Zhang
Is the water molecule in question coordinated to any other group(s)? -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Kevin Jin Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:22 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Kevin Jin
Maybe you would also be interested in http://www.jinkai.org/AAD_history.html Regards, Kevin On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Christian Roth christian.r...@bbz.uni-leipzig.de wrote: Hi, you may also look into the papers of John A. Gerlt, who did a lot on protonabtraction reactions and the

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Francisco Hernandez-Guzman
Hi Deepak, With regards observed pKa shifts, Prof. Ondrechen from Northeastern University has had a long interest in this field. http://www.northeastern.edu/org/wp/ Under the computational tools that she has developed a program called THEMATICS that allows you to predict the pka of titratable

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Zachary Wood
Hi Kevin, Hate to point this out, but under pH 7.0, the protonation state of water is not 50:50, and it is not a good acid. The H30+ concentration of pure water is 10^-7 Molar. In pure water (assuming 55.5 M) only 1:555,000,000 water molecules is in the protonated, charged state (H3O+).

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Kevin Jin
Oops, It should be: [H3O+]/[OH-]= 50/50 Kw = [H3O+][OH-], pH = pKa +log ([OH-]/[H2O]) H3O+ concentration of pure water is 10^-7 mol/L total H+ = 55.5M * 10^-7 = 5.55* 10^-6 mole. Is this right? Regards, Kevin On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Zachary Wood z...@bmb.uga.edu wrote: Hi Kevin,

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Roger Rowlett
No. Kw = [H3O+][OH-] = 1 x 10^-14 at 25 deg C. So at pH 7.0, you have 10^-7 M each at equilibrium no matter how you slice it or whatever else is in solution. If equilibrium [H3O+] goes up [OH-] goes down commensurately. The "pKa" of water as

Re: [ccp4bb] On pKa of Aspartic acid

2012-02-07 Thread Horacio Botti
Dear all, for further discussion I believe that using the 0-14 pH scale assumes water activity of pure water, something that is surely not matched in the surface or pocket of a protein, so keeping this in mind I always prefer to speak about apparent pKa of a group if talking about a non