Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 05:40:54AM +0100, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: [...] > Anyway, I think it is obvious that doing mere OO system was not really > big deal. Some of those projects were dying of old age by then. Some > frameworks, like PVN, are nearly 30 years old today. PVM, not PVN, sorry

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 05:53:30PM -0400, Sean Conner via cctalk wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated: > > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system > > > >

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

It was thus said that the Great Tomasz Rola via cctalk once stated: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming > > What I was thinking back

Re: Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2018 at 05:33, Tomasz Rola wrote: I found this post incoherent and very hard to follow. I will therefore limit myself to commenting to the responses direct to me. OK, apart from: > Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: > >

Object-oriented OS [was: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen]

Ok guys, just to make things clearer, here are two pages from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_operating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming What I was thinking back at the time of premiere: classes, objects derived from the classes, user able to

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On 10/24/18 9:45 AM, Nemo via cctalk wrote: > On 24/10/2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote (in part): > [...] >> Come to think of it, most Linux users I know are Windows converts. >> Very few are Mac converts -- once you go Mac, you can't go back, >> apparently. > Why would you? (Mac is

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On 24/10/2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote (in part): [...] > Come to think of it, most Linux users I know are Windows converts. > Very few are Mac converts -- once you go Mac, you can't go back, > apparently. Why would you? (Mac is certified POSIX and works very nicely with Sun mice and UNIX

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On 10/24/18 5:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:01, Alan Perry via cctalk > wrote: > >> Excuse me, but I work for Oracle on Solaris (primarily on USB code) and >> it is not EOL. Oracle just released Solaris 11.4 and the next release is >> being worked on. > Oh!

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 00:31, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > It's the sort of stuff marked > with "COMPANY PROPRIETARY" watermarks that, if you try to scan or run it > through a photocopier, produces black output due to opto-molecular chemical > overlays. Oh dear. Let me guess -- do you also

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:12, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > Wrong. Apple has been using self-customized, optimized-for their-hardware > supersets of the VNC protocol (which is X based) Not true. VNC isn't X-based. And Apple supports it, sure, but as an accessory thing. VNC also works fine

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:09, John Ames wrote: > There's also the Afterstep/Window Maker crowd, open-source > reimplementations of the NEXTSTEP desktop environment, which predates > even Windows 3.x. That sort of echoes my point, really, I think. As I said, it's ludicrous to counter my claim

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> On Oct 24, 2018, at 2:47 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:01, Alan Perry via cctalk > wrote: > >> Excuse me, but I work for Oracle on Solaris (primarily on USB code) and >> it is not EOL. Oracle just released Solaris 11.4 and the next release is >> being worked on. >

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 20:01, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > Excuse me, but I work for Oracle on Solaris (primarily on USB code) and > it is not EOL. Oracle just released Solaris 11.4 and the next release is > being worked on. Oh! Well, I'm very glad to hear it. But the news has not spread --

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:48, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > "The simplistic style is partly explained by the fact that its editors, > having to meet a publishing deadline, copied the information off the back > of a packet of breakfast cereal, hastily embroidering it with a few foot > notes in

Re: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

On 10/23/2018 05:09 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: I had an Ultra Sparc machine that ran continuously for more than 5 years except for maybe 2 power outages and a couple time to vacuum it out. Oh, well, I had a homemade UVax-II system built out of grey market and 3rd party boards. I ran it for

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but >> is not part of the base install ... >> > > Wrong. Apple has been using

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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:55 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr >> wrote: >> >>> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >>> all the time) but

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On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 12:55 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr > wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but is not part of the base install ... >> > > Apple has been using self-customized,

Re: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

s. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:01:42 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen) On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Chuck

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 9:34 AM Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 02:36 Jim Manley wrote: > > Microsoft did offer a RAM expansion board specifically to allow the > Softcard to access 64K of RAM dedicated to CP/M, > > Even that wasn't dedicated to CP/M. It was a 16K RAM card

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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Jim Manley wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr > wrote: > An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them all > the time) but > is not part of the base install ... > > Wrong. Apple

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On 10/23/18 11:41 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: On 2018-10-23 2:45 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair.

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On 2018-10-23 2:45 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in

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On 10/23/18 11:12 AM, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them >> all the time) but >> is not part of the base install ... >> > > Wrong. Jim, have you ever WORKED for

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > An (optional) X server (and clients) can be added to the OS (I use them > all the time) but > is not part of the base install ... > Wrong. Apple has been using self-customized, optimized-for their-hardware supersets of the VNC protocol

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> Grant Taylor wrote: >> *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. > > Nope. That's simply not true. > > The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove > (to my satisfaction) that your statement is wrong. > > ? Common Desktop Environment (a.k.a. CDE) and it's ilk. >

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Excuse me, but I work for xxx and it is not EOL. Outsider EOL predictions sometimes lead to a spike in workload for the Real-Time Resume' Updater. (cf. "aerospace collapse" just under half a century ago)

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On 10/23/18 11:00 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/18 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out

Aphorism (Was: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: "If it doesn't crash, you're not running a sufficiently varied and demanding workload." Are rights available for wall plaques, T-shirts, and bumper stickers?

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On 10/23/18 10:45 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in

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On 10/23/18 10:37 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 11:19 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. Ya, I think that Solaris has started using Gnome as the default desktop.  But I'm fairly sure that C.D.E. is still

Re: Computers that never crash (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen)

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/23/18 9:32 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > >> I have a RPi dedicated to a SIMH VAX-11/750 running BSD that I >> intended to leave up and rack up some impressive uptime. Then I was >> reminded by the local

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: That notwithstanding, I have to say, I still think it's ludicrous to imply that anything _before_ Win95 could have drawn upon it, even if making a negative statement. "The simplistic style is partly explained by the fact that its editors,

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 19:05, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. > > Fair. > > > "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use now, in > > active use and/or

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On 10/23/18 9:32 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > I have a RPi dedicated to a SIMH VAX-11/750 running BSD that I > intended to leave up and rack up some impressive uptime. Then I was > reminded by the local electricity provider that this isn’t the right > place to try that. We get clear day,

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On 10/23/2018 11:19 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. Ya, I think that Solaris has started using Gnome as the default desktop. But I'm fairly sure that C.D.E. is still there and a menu choice away at login time. -- Grant.

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Even though Oracle only sells server hardware running Solaris, there are customers running Solaris on laptops and other systems with graphic consoles. When I bring up Solaris 11.4 in VirtualBox, I get a Gnome desktop. (I work on USB and boot, so I don't pay much attention to the desktop and

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AIX probably still has them but graphic consoles are pretty rare now most AIX boxes are used as servers these days. Paul. On 2018-10-23 2:05 PM, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms.

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On 10/23/2018 10:47 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: This may be an unfortunate mismatch of English idioms. Fair. "Out there", to me, means "current, available/on sale/in use now, in active use and/or maintenance". I'm fairly sure that Solaris and AIX both continue to ship C.D.E. ;-)

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On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 17:49, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/23/2018 04:41 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > It's pointless to compare environments from _before_ Win95 as a way of > > saying that Win95 didn't influence them! > > Your statement that I replied to is: > > *Every* Unix desktop

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> On Oct 23, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 10/22/2018 08:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? >> On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: >>> Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web

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On 10/23/2018 04:41 AM, Liam Proven wrote: It's pointless to compare environments from _before_ Win95 as a way of saying that Win95 didn't influence them! Your statement that I replied to is: *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. That "every" includes desktops before Windows 95.

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On 10/22/2018 08:33 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web server has been up 232 days, and my Asterisk phone system has been up for 571

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 23:41, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > This reference to "object-oriented" is way off, conflating GUI "objects" > and true object-oriented software. Yep. Welcome to the wonderful world of marketing. :-( > U ... no. You're apparently completely uninformed about MIT

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 22:54, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: > > On 10/22/2018 08:14 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > > *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. > > Nope. That's simply not true. > > The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove > (to my

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On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > > Oooh. My personal recollection about w95 is that there was a lot of > touting before the premiere day, how advanced it was because "object > oriented operating system”. [...] > I might have been one of the very few people who not

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You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web server has been up 232 days, and my Asterisk phone system has been up for 571 days. The web server is directly on the WAN, and

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On 10/22/2018 05:15 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote: You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? Hmmm, well, my home desktop has been up 478 days, my web server has been up 232 days, and my Asterisk phone system has been up for 571 days. The web server is directly on the WAN,

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> You've discovered some computer that doesn't ever crash? They used to be called "IBM Midrange". -- Will (don't call them minicomputers!)

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 4:16 PM John Foust via cctalk wrote: > At 04:40 PM 10/22/2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > >As for multitasking, even Windows 10 can easily get bogged down where the > >GUI becomes essentially unresponsive to user actions. MS has never > grasped > >that it should

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At 04:40 PM 10/22/2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: >As for multitasking, even Windows 10 can easily get bogged down where the >GUI becomes essentially unresponsive to user actions. MS has never grasped >that it should never be possible to wind up in a situation where the user >is stuck watching

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Some corrections related to Mach and Apple. TTFN - Guy > On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Jim Manley via cctalk > wrote: > > > > BTW, MacOS X is based on Mach, the version of Unix that was designed for > multiple, closely-coupled processors, and it, too, uses X as a basis for > its GUI. No.

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: windowing desktop per user, while X Window not only supports multiple desktops per user (each with its own context that can be swapped in to occupy the display area), but natively supports remote desktop access from a number of users over

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Hi Liam, On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 8:15 AM Liam Proven via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Cairo was intended to be semi "object oriented" ... > This reference to "object-oriented" is way off, conflating GUI "objects" and true object-oriented software. OO in code has nothing to do

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On 10/22/2018 08:14 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: *Every* Unix desktop out there draws on Win95. Nope. That's simply not true. The following three vast families of window managers / desktops prove (to my satisfaction) that your statement is wrong. · Common Desktop Environment (a.k.a.

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 02:36 Jim Manley wrote: Microsoft did offer a RAM expansion board specifically to allow the Softcard to access 64K of RAM dedicated to CP/M, Even that wasn't dedicated to CP/M. It was a 16K RAM card that was equivalent to the Apple "Language Card", which allowed replacing

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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 16:28, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > > I'm going to stand by my assertion that the Softcard was a single-board > computer on the technicality that it did have its own RAM - you apparently > forget that registers are a form of RAM - HA! They're memory, they're > addressed

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[ Accidentally only sent to Eric originally ] On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 3:41 PM Eric Smith wrote: > On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 01:46 Jim Manley via cctalk > wrote: > >> The Softcard was a Z-80 based single-board >> computer > > > It wasn't. It was only a processor card. > Eric, I'm going to stand

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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 19:31, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote: > Oooh. My personal recollection about w95 is that there was a lot of > touting before the premiere day, how advanced it was because "object > oriented operating system". The premiere came, the toutings quickly > faded away, never heard

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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 12:55, Adam Sampson via cctalk wrote: > > Do you mean sold up to that point? Amstrad went on to sell several > million PCWs with CP/M later in the 1980s. (They say 8 million on > http://www.amstrad.com/products/archive/, but that includes the > much less popular PCW16 which

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I have a Basis (apple ][ clone) with a cpm card built on the main board…. George > On Oct 21, 2018, at 11:09 AM, systems_glitch via cctalk > wrote: > > I'd heard, but have no sources for said hearsay, that the most common CP/M > machine in volume was the Apple II. > > There were definitely

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Tony Duell says: > > In some of the documentation, the sketch of a joystick was clearly > > the Radio Shack Coco joystick (which needed a different connector) > > And is electrically different. The Tandy 1000 series has Color Computer joystick ports (and the TRS-80 card-edge parallel port).

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On Sun, 21 Oct 2018, systems_glitch wrote: I'd heard, but have no sources for said hearsay, that the most common CP/M machine in volume was the Apple II. At one time. I have heard that Amstrad eventually passed them. How were sales of Commodore 128? There were definitely knockoffs of the

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I'd heard, but have no sources for said hearsay, that the most common CP/M machine in volume was the Apple II. There were definitely knockoffs of the Microsoft Z80 Softcard. One of my IIe systems has one from SPACE BYTE, the other is no-name. I've personally seen more knockoffs than actual

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On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > >> Similarly, although they sold a joystick board, they didn't sell > >> joysticks. DA15 connector for two joysticks. > >> In some of the documentation, the sketch of a joystick was clearly the > >> Radio Shack Coco joystick (which

Softcard (Was: Microsoft-Paul Allen

The Softcard was a Z-80 based single-board computer On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: It wasn't. It was only a processor card. No version of the Softcard had it's own video output. It used normal Apple video output. If you wanted 80x24, you had to use a separate third-party

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On Sat, Oct 20, 2018, 01:46 Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > The Softcard was a Z-80 based single-board > computer It wasn't. It was only a processor card. that plugged into an Apple ][ slot, equipped with its own > 80x24 character x line black-and-white video output, No version of the

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Similarly, although they sold a joystick board, they didn't sell joysticks. DA15 connector for two joysticks. In some of the documentation, the sketch of a joystick was clearly the Radio Shack Coco joystick (which needed a different connector) On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Tony Duell wrote: And is

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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: IBM wasn't even aware of the penetration of dial-up among consumers and very small businesses, . . . Another sign that IBM wasn't confident about the longevity of the PC is that they outsourced the development of its OS to Microsoft, believing

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On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 6:52 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Similarly, although they sold a joystick board, they didn't sell > joysticks. DA15 connector for two joysticks. > In some of the documentation, the sketch of a joystick was clearly the > Radio Shack Coco joystick (which needed a

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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: IBM wasn't even aware of the penetration of dial-up among consumers and very small businesses, or they would have initially offered modems, at least as options, if not in package combos. Retailers who understood the consumer and very small

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On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 01:50:20AM -0600, Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > I thought it was just hilarious that Microsoft chose The Rolling > Stones' "Start Me Up" for the theme song at the launch of Windows 95, > unaware of the later lyrics in the song (not played during the launch, > oddly

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At 05:55 AM 10/20/2018, Adam Sampson via cctalk wrote: >Jim Manley via cctalk writes: > >> Many are unaware that the largest fraction of CP/M licenses ever sold >> were for the Microsoft Softcard for the Apple ][ (about 300,000 sold, >> all told), > >Do you mean sold up to that point? Amstrad

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Jim Manley via cctalk writes: > Many are unaware that the largest fraction of CP/M licenses ever sold > were for the Microsoft Softcard for the Apple ][ (about 300,000 sold, > all told), Do you mean sold up to that point? Amstrad went on to sell several million PCWs with CP/M later in the

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Just to be clear, it wasn't that the CGA hadn't been designed and put into production by the launch of the PC, the demand for the CGA was simply overwhelming compared with the much lower demand and relatively greater supply of the MDA. Plus, IBM had no experience selling into retail, let alone

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On 2018-10-19 5:17 PM, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:51 AM Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: long before the Color Graphics Adapters were available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only produced in response to the completely unanticipated demand for the

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long before the Color Graphics Adapters were available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only produced in response to the completely unanticipated demand for the PC. On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: Are you certain? My then boss* and I went to a Computerland

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On 10/19/18 1:14 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > >>> IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch > IBM's initial networking for the PC (The PC Network) was broadband, based > on technology from Sytek. 4Mb token ring was released later. Exact dates > are in the manuals on

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On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 1:51 AM Jim Manley via cctalk wrote: > long before the Color Graphics Adapters were > available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only > produced in response to the completely unanticipated demand for the > PC. > Are you certain? My then boss* and I went

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On 10/19/2018 1:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote: Hmmm... so they were only "Kentucky Fried Computers" while they were reselling other (IMSAI, etc.) brands? You will never see a Northstar Horizon like case with a "Kentucky Fried Computers" badge on

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote: Hmmm... so they were only "Kentucky Fried Computers" while they were reselling other (IMSAI, etc.) brands? You will never see a Northstar Horizon like case with a "Kentucky Fried Computers" badge on it? Probably not. UNLESS, . . . their earliest

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> https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1977-02/page/n103 On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote: Wait! It gets stranger. I just squinted hard at that Byte Mag ad. "Kentucky Fried Computers" is offering a "North Star Computers-FP8 & disk"??? KFC seemed to have been mostly their

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Friday, October 19, 2018 2:15 PM To: 'Fred Cisin'; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Microsoft-Paul Allen Hmmm... so they were only "Kentucky Fried Computers" while they were reselling other (IMSAI, etc.) brands? You will never see a Northstar Horizo

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iccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:05 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Microsoft-Paul Allen On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote: > Fred, > Have you ever seen any actual "Kentucky Fried Computers&q

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Excellent! Thanks very much! Bill S. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 2:05 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Microsoft-Paul Allen On Fri, 19 Oct

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2018, William Sudbrink wrote: Fred, Have you ever seen any actual "Kentucky Fried Computers" anything? Ads? Marketing lit? Hardware? Letterhead? Incorporation application? I've looked in the past and have never turned up anything.

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I'd love to see it if you get the chance. Thanks, Bill S. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow via cctalk Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 1:19 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen On 10/19/18 8:24 AM

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On 10/19/18 10:39 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > In spite of IBM marketing claims, 802.5 data link layer is not a well behaved > design. Apple had to re-design their TR Nubus card, which used the TI chipset, and switch to IBM's because it couldn't be made to work reliably.

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> On Oct 19, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk > wrote: > > > > >>> IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch > > IBM's initial networking for the PC (The PC Network) was broadband, based > on technology from Sytek. 4Mb token ring was released later. Exact

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On 10/19/18 8:24 AM, William Sudbrink via cctalk wrote: > Fred, > > Have you ever seen any actual "Kentucky Fried Computers" anything? > Ads? Marketing lit? Hardware? Letterhead? Incorporation application? There is something in the Jim Warren West Coast Computer Faire correspondence we

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>> IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch IBM's initial networking for the PC (The PC Network) was broadband, based on technology from Sytek. 4Mb token ring was released later. Exact dates are in the manuals on bitsavers.

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 12:51 AM Jim Manley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I > > IBM developed a Token Ring card for the PC in time for its launch > based on this intent, long before the Color Graphics Adapters were > available, about six months after launch, and the CGAs were only

RE: Microsoft-Paul Allen

siccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin via cctalk Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 6:01 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen Thank you for the correction. Yes, companies often change their names. Gary Kildall founded Intergalactic Digital Researc

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:04 AM Ethan via cctalk wrote: > > I thought it was just hilarious that Microsoft chose The Rolling > > Stones' "Start Me Up" for the theme song at the launch of Windows 95, > > unaware of the later lyrics in the song (not played during the launch, > > IIRC They wanted

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I thought it was just hilarious that Microsoft chose The Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up" for the theme song at the launch of Windows 95, unaware of the later lyrics in the song (not played during the launch, IIRC They wanted R.E.M.'s "End of the world as we know it" but R.E.M. said no.

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I thought it was just hilarious that Microsoft chose The Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up" for the theme song at the launch of Windows 95, unaware of the later lyrics in the song (not played during the launch, oddly enough), "You make a grown man cry-y-y ... You make a grown man cry-y-y ... You make a

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 18, 2018, at 15:01, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > Thank you for the correction. > > Yes, companies often change their names. > > Gary Kildall founded Intergalactic Digital Research. > > George Morrow founded Thinker Toys, which later became Morrow's

Re: Microsoft-Paul Allen

When I was teaching at the U of Delaware I helped make a computer exhibit containing 4 of the Microsoft logos: http://www.vintagecomputer.net/UofDelaware/microsoft/large_MS_poster_final.pdf Bill On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 6:01 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Thank you for the correction. > >

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Thank you for the correction. Yes, companies often change their names. Gary Kildall founded Intergalactic Digital Research. George Morrow founded Thinker Toys, which later became Morrow's Micro Stuff, and eventually Morrow Designs. Greenberg and Grant founded Kentucky Fried Computers, which