looking for VME board manuals

Hi all I acquired a "few" VME boards over the years, and I finally have time to deal with some of the less cooperative ones. I'm looking for the following VME board manuals (any information is welcome, especially pinouts for the front panel or P2 connectors, jumpers, how to re-create the nvram

Re: 13W3 to HDMI/DisplayPort

Thx. I haven’t seen many cheap VGA->HDMI adapters. The cheap ones went the other direction. I have been using widescreen displays with my Suns (using Solaris/CDE and OPENSTEP) for some time. My last Sun-badged display was a widescreen. Will look for Extron ones. > On May 24, 2020, at 22:05,

Re: 13W3 to HDMI/DisplayPort

I've had good success using various Extron adapters. I'm currently using a RGB112xi to convert => VGA. So far the adapter works as advertised with anything I managed to connect it to (various HP/DEC/Sun/SGI/RS6000, including mono and SoG) to a cheap Dell monitor that definitely doesn't

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

On Sun, 24 May 2020, Jecel Assumpcao Jr via cctalk wrote: I had heard that Microsoft had licensed Xenix before the IBM thing. I hadn't known that. Bill thought he had a gentleman's agreement with Gary to not intrude in each other's turf and then DR came out with CBASIC. Furious, Bill got

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

Fred, > Quite true that Gary did not have the ruthless personality to compete. > If the roles had been reversed, Gary would NOT have become a bill Gates. > Yes, the final outcome was inevitable, although the one incident set the > path. It is fairly commonly believed that MS-DOS would not

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

Quite true that Gary did not have the ruthless personality to compete. If the roles had been reversed, Gary would NOT have become a bill Gates. Yes, the final outcome was inevitable, although the one incident set the path. It is fairly commonly believed that MS-DOS would not have EXISTED

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

Fred, > To me, the culture clash aspect makes it one of the greatest stories of > the time. > Was Gary not taking the meeting seriously enough to be there on time, and > as a consequence, ending up being $80B behind Bill Gates, the stupidest > mistake anybody has ever made? > Or the bravest

Re: history is hard

On 5/24/20 5:30 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote: CP/67 or something like that maybe? I don't think there was a VM/360 either. There was VM/370 in 1980. I worked under it from May to August. Hosted on a 4331 at Ft. Ben Harrison, IN. The launch of the Mainframe and COBOL facet of my

The massive effort to rebuild an LK201

Yes, I know this will never again be used on a terminal, but the lengths to which he went are extraordinary to me! https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7 =23965 He could have bought several new in box LK201, with terminals, for what he spent

Re: history is hard

On 2020-05-24 4:13 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:01 PM Toby Thain > wrote: > > On 2020-05-24 3:20 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:04 AM Toby Thain via cctalk > >

Re: history is hard

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 3:47 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 15:18:34 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > The topic for my talk next week. Unix had virtualization in 74. The > >> second > >> > Unix port ran under OS/360's VM in 78. >

RE: DECstation 220/Olivetti M250E Documentation

Rob, I have what is laughingly labelled as a "Field Engineering Library - M250 Service Manual" but its actually almost totally devoid of any technical information. Not sure what the difference between the M250 and M250E is but looking at the pocket guide they are very similar. In fact the

Re: history is hard

On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 15:18:34 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> > >> > The topic for my talk next week. Unix had virtualization in 74. The >> second >> > Unix port ran under OS/360's VM in 78. >> > >> >> What do you mean by "Unix had virtualization"? >> > > I mean that 4th edition UNIX ran under a

Re: history is hard

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 3:14 PM Peter Coghlan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 13:20:41 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:04 AM Toby Thain via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via

Re: history is hard

On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 13:20:41 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:04 AM Toby Thain via cctalk > wrote: > >> On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >> > ... IBM was doing >> > Virtualization in the 70's. >> >> 1968 and probably before.[1] >> >> Most operating

Re: 13W3 to HDMI/DisplayPort

Just bought an Extron RGB-HDMI 300 (A) that handles VGA and other RGB type signals and has HDMI output. I've connected it to my VAXstation 4000/60 (very successfully), and my IIgs (reasonable but this is at the low end of what the unit can manage). Output on either my Sony 46" TV or Apple

RE: DECstation 220/Olivetti M250E Documentation

Hello Antonio, I have a couple of user manuals too, I am not sure they are going to help much. I am thinking more like technical documentation, if any exists. Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini via > cctalk > Sent: 24 May 2020 20:53 > To:

Re: history is hard

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:01 PM Toby Thain wrote: > On 2020-05-24 3:20 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:04 AM Toby Thain via cctalk > > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > > > On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > ... IBM was

Re: history is hard

On 5/24/20 10:04 AM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >> ... IBM was doing >> Virtualization in the 70's. > > 1968 and probably before.[1] Don't forget Peter Denning! --Chuck

Re: history is hard

On 2020-05-24 3:20 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:04 AM Toby Thain via cctalk > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > ... IBM was doing > > Virtualization in the 70's. > > 1968 and probably

Re: DECstation 220/Olivetti M250E Documentation

On 24/05/2020 17:00, Robert Jarratt via cctalk wrote: I have a DECstation 220 (an Olivetti M250E under the covers) that needs repair. I have a pocket service guide, but I have not found any other documentation. Is there any? Thanks Rob I'm *sure* I've got some DECstation 220 manuals, but

RE: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate

I have a Viewsonic VA912 which has worked well for me before in other circumstances, but doesn't go down to 26KHz. I can't find a VP150 on ebay or amazon at the moment, but I will keep a look out and see if there are any others with a lower horizontal frequency too. Looks like a VX715 might do the

Re: history is hard

On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:04 AM Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: > On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > ... IBM was doing > > Virtualization in the 70's. > > 1968 and probably before.[1] > > Most operating systems concepts[2] are much older than people think. > The topic for

RE: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

Some don't matter; some can be enough to ruin a good anecdote; some create a different story. I'm saddened that Jim Adkisson and Don Massaro of Shugart have changed their story and now deny that the size of the 5.25" disk was based on Dr. Wang pointing to a bar napkin. The "Bar Napkin Disk" was

Re: history is hard

On 5/24/20 1:04 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: ... IBM was doing Virtualization in the 70's. 1968 and probably before.[1] Most operating systems concepts[2] are much older than people think. --T [1]

RE: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

Fred Cisin [mailto:ci...@xenosoft.com] wrote on Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:28 PM Some don't matter; some can be enough to ruin a good anecdote; some create a different story. I'm saddened that Jim Adkisson and Don Massaro of Shugart have changed their story and now deny that the size

Re: history is hard

On 2020-05-24 11:17 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > ... IBM was doing > Virtualization in the 70's. 1968 and probably before.[1] Most operating systems concepts[2] are much older than people think. --T [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CP/CMS [2] e.g. ref: Per Brinch Hansen,

Re: 13W3 to HDMI/DisplayPort

When I first started trying to use VGA LCD panels with my Suns (mostly lunchbox systems, all 4c and 4m desktops), I heard there could be a problem like that and stuck with a particular model Samsung that worked. Then I tried another one and it worked. And another. And another. I haven't

Re: 13W3 to HDMI/DisplayPort

I've had the opposite experience. I've been trying to find a 1U pull-out keyboard/monitor/mouse combo for my E6500 rack. Most of the VGA LCD panels complain about signal out of range on both cg3 and cg6. The E6500 really doesn't need a video console, but it'd be nice if one was tucked in

Re: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate

On 5/23/2020 8:45 AM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: As it looks like I am not going to be able to repair the monitor board for my VAXmate I am wondering if I can do anything with the outputs from the I/O board to drive an external monitor instead. ... I had a go at building this

DECstation 220/Olivetti M250E Documentation

I have a DECstation 220 (an Olivetti M250E under the covers) that needs repair. I have a pocket service guide, but I have not found any other documentation. Is there any? Thanks Rob

Re: 2.11bsd unix resolver

On Thu, 21 May 2020, Richard Sheppard via cctalk wrote: > On Solaris it’s the “hosts” line in the /etc/nsswitch.conf/ file. Having /etc/nsswitch.conf was actually Solaris's invention and Solaris itself came from System V rather than BSD. It was only adopted by the freely available *BSD

Re: Early Nubus history

On 5/24/20 8:20 AM, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: George White went from MIT->Computer Automation->Western Digital->TI->Corollary->Intel. Corollary's cache technology was licensed by DEC and many others. So George would have been person connecting MIT WD and TI ..

Re: Early Nubus history

On 5/24/20 8:34 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 5/24/20 8:20 AM, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote:  Ron Hochsprung(Apple) Ron was the senior engineer working on the Mac II with Mike Dewey. With 20/20 hindsight, the DIN connector should have been on the far end from the I/O fence on the

Re: Early Nubus history

On 5/24/20 8:20 AM, Michael Thompson via cctalk wrote: Ron Hochsprung(Apple) Ron was the senior engineer working on the Mac II with Mike Dewey. With 20/20 hindsight, the DIN connector should have been on the far end from the I/O fence on the Mac form-factor Nubus.

Re: Early Nubus history

> > Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 07:07:52 -0700 > From: Al Kossow > Subject: Early Nubus history > > Did anyone ever do any research into the early history of Nubus, wrt > Western Digital, TI or Steve Ward/MIT/Numachine? > I was a member of the IEEE-1196 committee that wrote the NuBus standard and

Re: history is hard

On 5/24/20 2:28 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Either way, changing it from IBM not wanting to deal with DR into Bill Gates cold calling IBM to tell them "what an operating system is" is totally invalidating, marginalizing, and misrepresenting a significant aspect of the microcomputer

Re: 13W3 to HDMI/DisplayPort

> On May 24, 2020, at 06:31, emanuel stiebler via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2020-05-23 21:35, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: >> Anyone here know of a SVGA-to-HDMI (or DisplayPort) adapter that a >> 13W3-to-SVGA adapter >> so I can connect my Sun frame buffers to a HDMI display? I am hoping

Re: 13W3 to HDMI/DisplayPort

On 2020-05-23 21:35, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > Anyone here know of a SVGA-to-HDMI (or DisplayPort) adapter that a > 13W3-to-SVGA adapter > so I can connect my Sun frame buffers to a HDMI display? I am hoping someone > here has already figured this one out. SVGA should be possible, but Sun

RE: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate

> -Original Message- > From: Tony Duell > Sent: 24 May 2020 10:28 > To: r...@jarratt.me.uk > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ; > Paul Koning > Subject: Re: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate > > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:23 AM Rob Jarratt > wrote: > > > > > Tony,

RE: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Dave Wade via > cctalk > Sent: 24 May 2020 10:57 > To: 'Tony Duell' ; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and > Off-Topic Posts' > Subject: RE: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On

RE: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Tony Duell via > cctalk > Sent: 24 May 2020 10:28 > To: r...@jarratt.me.uk > Cc: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate > > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:23 AM Rob Jarratt >

Re: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:23 AM Rob Jarratt wrote: > > Tony, are you aware of any device I could buy or circuit I could build to get > a decent image out of it? It doesn't have to be perfect, but at least usable. Unfortunately not. That 26kHz horizontal frequency is the problem... It's not

RE: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate

> -Original Message- > From: Tony Duell > Sent: 24 May 2020 03:13 > To: r...@jarratt.me.uk; Rob Jarratt ; General > Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Cc: Paul Koning > Subject: Re: Alternative Monitor for VAXmate > > On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:49 PM Rob Jarratt via cctalk >

RE: H960 repo stabiliser feet redux

I could do with a pair of those at some point. If anyone has any spare or makes any I would be interested in a pair. Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Steve Malikoff via > cctalk > Sent: 24 May 2020 08:24 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: H960 repo

RE: TK50 cleaning and unloading issues, new thought:

To recover a TK50 What I do is run up the machine with the TK50 drive and mount the tape (not foreign), COPY the files to disk. Then I transfer the files to a SIMH machine and COPY them to a virtual tape (again not mounted foreign). Obviously the hard bit is getting a successful read of the

Re: H960 repo stabiliser feet redux

Very nice!! On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:24 AM Steve Malikoff via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Here's my conclusion to the H960 stabiliser feet thread from a while ago > where I was after measurements of > the originals. And thanks for all the help from cctalk (especially Noel) > who

H960 repo stabiliser feet redux

Here's my conclusion to the H960 stabiliser feet thread from a while ago where I was after measurements of the originals. And thanks for all the help from cctalk (especially Noel) who supplied dimensions and photos. I finished these last year but moved on to other projects and hadn't returned

Re: history is hard (was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC)

Yes, there will always be discrepancies. I have to admit that many/most?/all? of my memories may be inaccurate or wrong. Some don't matter; some can be enough to ruin a good anecdote; some create a different story. I'm saddened that Jim Adkisson and Don Massaro of Shugart have changed