[cctalk] Re: PDP-11/05 early print set for download

[Ed via cctalk]

On 3/19/23 11:06 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

On 3/19/23 07:58, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:


Wow, very interesting!  I never knew that.  (I wonder what the Mazak
people call their machines in UK/Europe?)

In my experience,"Mitsubishi".

--Chuck


I believe the parent company is Yamazaki. They use Mitsubishi in their 
controls.



Ed.

Re: DZ11 EIA dist panel on eBait

[ed--- via cctalk]

June 30, 2020 4:58 PM, "Tony Duell"  wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM ed--- via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
>> June 27, 2020 8:05 PM, "Noel Chiappa via cctalk"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224058116598
>> 
>> Noel
>> 
>> Looks nice, but the cover, the static filter and the 2 small flatcables with 
>> twisted wires are
>> missing.
>> Connecting a DZ11 directly to the pcb with the connectors won't work 
>> directly as expected.
> 
> Why not? I've linked up DZ11s to the distribution panel PCB with a
> straight ribbon cable and had no problems.
> 
> The RFI filters effectively swap odd and even pins in the cable (the
> pins are straight through the filter but of course you look at them
> from opposite sides). That's why the short ribbon cables between the
> filters and the distribution panel are not straight through but have
> crossover connections.. But if you remove both the filter and the
> crossover cable it will work as you expect.
> 
> -tony

Ah, I did not know that, interesting to know.

Ed

Re: DZ11 EIA dist panel on eBait

[ed--- via cctalk]

June 27, 2020 8:05 PM, "Noel Chiappa via cctalk"  wrote:

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224058116598
> 
> Noel

Looks nice, but the cover, the static filter and the 2 small flatcables with 
twisted wires are missing.
Connecting a DZ11 directly to the pcb with the connectors won't work directly 
as expected.

sun model 47. code 4/40 does it have the nvram with battery?

[Ed via cctalk]

we were given this and a hard dribe a floor  standimg decwriter.  does this 
use NV ram with dreaded battery? thanks,ed

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

Re: Computing from 1976

[Ed via cctalk]

so if  you bought the altair and put it away  you  could  sort of sell it  
for the same amount of money-worth today.
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/30/2017 5:10:22 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

It was  thus said that the Great Fred Cisin via cctalk once stated:
> On Sat, 30  Dec 2017, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
> >I was perusing my  old computer magazine collection the other day and
> >came across an  article entitled: “Fast-Growing new hobby, Real
> >Computers you  assemble yourself”, Dec. 1976. It was about MITS,
> >Sphere, IMSAI  and SWT. 4K memory was $500. Yikes! Even more here in
> >Canada. Now  this is true Classic Computing. Have a Happy New Year
> >everyone.  May the computing gods shine down on us all in 2018.
> >Happy  computing.  Murray  :)
> 
> OK, a little arithmetic  exercise for you.
> (a 16C is nice for this, but hardly  necessary)

Sounds like fun.

> "Moore's Law", which was  a prediction, not a "LAW", has often been 
> mis-stated as predicting a  doubling of speed/capacity every 18 months.
> 
> 1) Figure out how  many 18 month invtervals since then, and what 4k 
> "should' have  morphed into by now.

1) 28 doublings since 1975.   

(2017-1975) * 12

18

4K should (had we truly doubed everything every 18 months)  now be 1T
(terrabyte):

2^12   = 4K
2^(12+28)
2^40~ 1T

> 2) What did Gordon Moore actually  say in 1965?

That the number of transistors in an integrated  circuit double every 18
months.

> 3) How much is $500 of  1976 money worth now?

It depends upon how you calculate  it.  I'm using this page [1] for the
calculation, and I  get:

Current data is only available till 2016. In 2016,  the relative
price worth of $500.00 from 1976  is:

$2,110.00 using the Consumer Price Index
$1,680.00 using the GDP deflator
$2,400.00 using the  value of consumer bundle
$2,000.00 using the unskilled  wage
$2,450.00 using the Production Worker  Compensation
$3,340.00 using the nominal GDP per  capita
$4,960.00 using the relative share of GDP

>  4) Consider how long it took to use a text editor to make a grocery 
>  shopping list in 1976.  How long does it take today?

I  would think the same amount of time.  Typing is typing.

> Does  having the grocery list consist of pictures instead of words, with 
>  audio commentary, and maybe Smell-O-Vision (coming soon), improve the 
>  quality of life?   

For me, not really.

>  How much does it help to be able to contact your 
> refrigeratior and  query its knowledge of its contents?

It could be helpful, but  with the current state of IoT, I would not want
to have that  ability.

> (Keep in mind, that although hardware expanded  exponentially, according 
to 
> Moore's Law, Software follows a corollary  of Boyle's Law, and expands to 
> fill the available space and use all  of the available resources - how 
much 
> can "modern" software do in  4K?, and how much is needed to boot the 
> computer and run a "modern"  text editor?)

EMACS is lean and mean compared to some of the  "text editors" coming out
today, based upon Javascript  frameworks.  It's scary.

> 5) What percentage of computer users  still build from kits, or from 
> scratch?

I would say  significantly less than 1%.  Say, 5% of 1%?  That's  probably
in the right ballpark.

> 6) What has replaced  magazines for keeping in touch with the current 
> state of  computers?

The world wide web, although I do miss the Byte  magazine of the 70s and
80s.  Not so much the  90s.

-spc (Yeah, I realize these were probably rhetorical in  nature ... )

[1] http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/

Re: Computing from 1976

[Ed via cctalk]

Thanks for the heads up on this  S-100  site!
PdP-11 on a s-100  bus  even..  Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 12/30/2017 5:01:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

A good  site for what was in the 1975-1980  era.
http://www.s100computers.com/index.html

Re: Lisa Source Code

[Ed via cctalk]

pretty  neat... what   format material was it stored  on!?
Ed# 
 
 
In a message dated 12/27/2017 6:03:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Hi,

I don’t know if I missed the announcement on this list  but I just saw this 
 article:
https://9to5mac.com/2017/12/27/apple-lisa-source-code-to-be-released/

It  features quotes from our own Al Kassow.  ;-)  Way to go  Al!!!

TTFN - Guy

TI 99/4a It Lives! but extended basic? acts bizzare...Help?

[Ed via cctalk]

TI 99/4a It  Lives! but extended basic?  acts   bizarre...
 
Great  got the  video cable 5 bucks   from the  UK  - -SOLVED!
 
Works  and fires up with out the extended basic  plugged in
but when I pluged it in and  selected the option  for  extended basic at 
book up just hangs  no
prompt on screen  etc.
 
I have the  screed  that TI had that was more of an  industrial  display 
rather than the  
screen that was converted TV that may have been earlier.. Heavy little  
monitor!   
It has a  strong mesh looking internal mask on the screen   compared to 
modern   color CRTS/
 
We also have  a  Epson looking  printer  with TI logo  to pair up
 
The  goal of  course is to  set  up as a display  at  SMECC Museum  with  
some of the other micros 
where it  can be demo'ed  I have the speech  module   too but have no idea  
what to do with that.
 
 Have a disc with cable but need  some  sort of an expansion  to plug it 
in. 
 
The adventure  continues... as  always   drop any  ideas  hits  etc  to 
us///
Learning as  we  go As I never used or  sold any of these  when in the biz 
back then!
 
Ed Sharpe Archivist  for SMECC  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) 

Re: Vidar large format scanner available

[Ed via cctalk]

opps   yepper  large...
a pity  not   close..
Ed 
 
 
In a message dated 12/3/2017 5:44:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

36".
It is NOT a flatbed.


On Sun, 3 Dec 2017, Ed  Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

> how large is it? thx ed#
>
>  Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 Bob  Rosenbloom via cctalk 
 wrote:
> I have a  Vidar P-62 large format scanner available to anyone willing to
> come  pick it up.
>
> It has a SCSI interface. Drivers for Windows XP  are available on the
> web, don't know about newer Windows
> or  other operating systems. Also, it's completely untested, I have
>  nothing that's has a SCSI interface.
>
> Located in Santa Cruz,  CA
>
> Some photos here: http://anifur.com/clist/
>
>  Bob
>
> -- 
> Vintage computers and electronics
>  www.dvq.com
> www.tekmuseum.com
>  www.decmuseum.org
>

--
Fred Cisin  ci...@xenosoft.com
XenoSoft   http://www.xenosoft.com
PO Box  1236   (510) 234-3397
Berkeley, CA  94701-1236

Re: FTGH: Old ham radio headset

[Ed via cctalk]

A  ww 2  style headset! 
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 12/3/2017 9:59:01 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Re: what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?

[Ed via cctalk]

OK!  Shades of the crown answering machine we have in the  museum with the 
handset lifter! 
 
Yea  the  price is defiantly a barrier on this  except   for Paul Allen  I 
suppose.
 
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 11/27/2017 12:16:16 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

couryho...@aol.com wrote:

> what is this   NCR   modem? what  did it   go   to?
>
> NEW Vintage 1971 NCR Acoustic Coupler Modem, NOS, Factory  Boxed, C260-400
> / F01   132411929563  on the  bay

It is a Bell 103A compatible modem (110 or 300 baud) used with the  NCR 260
series of thermal printing terminals.   The 260 came in  several variants:
-1 (receive only), -2 (keyboard send/receive), -6  (Automatic (cassette 
tape)
send/receive).   I worked with them at  NCR in 1973 and 74.   I still have
the manuals, and just a few  days ago scanned them for Bitsavers.   If you
need a copy I can  send you the raw TIFF files (one per page).

Both the -400 and -500 were  EIA I/O to the terminal.  The C260-400 
connected
to a Bell System DAA  (Data Access Arrangement), while the C260-500 was an
acoustic  coupler.   The acoustic coupler had a solenoid that would  would
automatically raise and lower the handset on the  telephone!

Back in those days you could not connect anything directly  to the telephone
lines -- you had to use the telco-supplied DAA (kaching!)  or an acoustic
coupler.   I don't know if this modem can be  connected directly to a phone
line without a DAA.

I think the asking  price is totally unrealistic unless you are a rabid
collector of NCR  gear.

Alan Frisbie

Re: what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?

[Ed via cctalk]

thanks  for  dates. yes that all makes sense. some how my  mind  slipped a  
decade.
 
 
I a looking  for a  GE  Diginet tdm-114 acoustic   coupler.
2  reasons,  GE  computer  related
but also my  first  acoustic  coupler I had   with  an ASR-35 teletype
I am also looking  for the  top mental plate that covers an  ASR-35  punch  
also.
( drop me a  line off list  if you have either  you want to  sell/trade/?)
thanks  ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/26/2017 3:38:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Sun,  26 Nov 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> does the 71 sate seem  early?

No, a 1971 date does not seem too early.

The price seems  steep, even for a "relatively" early modem.


Bell 103 (300bps) dates  from 1962.
The Bell 101 (110 baud) was 1958.

SCROTUS "Carterfone"  was 1968  (ruling permitting direct connect)

Bell 212A (1200bps)  came out in 1976.

The Livermore Data Systems modems that I sold off  were from about 1964?

1970-1972, when I was working at Goddard Space  Flight Center (Bldg 26, 
"National Space Sciences Data Center"), we used a  time-sharing system for 
APL.   APL type ball on Selectric  terminal.


Yes, 1971 is prior to most mass-marketed "personal  computers" 
(1978?: Apple, PET, TRS80).
But there were  teminals.

Re: what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?

[Ed via cctalk]

does the 71 sate seem early?
 
 
In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:38:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

The NCR  260  (first part of the part number) was a KSR portable 
thermal  printing terminal.
Somewhat similar to the Silent 700.

But, the NCR  260 had an integrated modem with acoustic  coupler

what is this NCR modem? what did it go to?

[Ed via cctalk]

what is this  NCR   modem? what  did it   go  to? 
 
 
NEW Vintage 1971 NCR Acoustic Coupler Modem, NOS, Factory Boxed, C260-400  
/ F01   132411929563  on the bay
 
not  mine  etc etc etc 
 
 
ed#

Re: WTB: HP-85 16k RAM Module and HPIB Floppy Drive

[Ed via cctalk]

PRM-85 ?  cost?
 
If  I end up getting   fascinated  with the   *%  I  may  want to  get one  
too..
First, I need to get it out and open and see what is all with it..
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/15/2017 5:45:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

It'd be  interesting to find out how well that PRM-85 works. I've laid out a
board  for a rough equivalent but I haven't fabbed it out. It may be cheaper
for  me to buy that instead.

I've also got a 9122C but I don't have the mass  storage ROM so I can't use
it with my 85. Right now I'm using it with my  9000 series 300.

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Mark J. Blair via  cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
>  > On Nov 14, 2017, at 20:11, Ed Sharpe via cctalk  

> wrote:
> >
> >  wondervifcthec9122 drives,will work on 85?
> >
>
> I  think I can guess what you meant to say there... :)
>
> I’ve  ordered a PRM-85 (a modern reprogrammable ROM drawer replacement)
>  which includes the HP-85B version of the Mass Storage ROM, and the  
Extended
> Mass Storage ROM. Based on what I have read, I think that  should let my A
> model use the newer 9122C drive, and other drives  using either the Amigo 
or
> SS-80 protocols.
>
> I’d like to  get the 9122C mostly because I have a much easier time 
finding
> 1.44M  media than the older double density media. eBay and I don’t talk, 
so
>  that limits my options a bit. If I had easy access to lots of 3.5” DD
>  media, then I would consider getting one of the more plentiful (?)  other
> 3.5” HPIB floppy  drives.
>

Re: Playing with HP2640B

[Ed via cctalk]

is there a  dif  between  40 a  and  40  b   with the firmware/loader/etc?  
Ed# 
 
 
In a message dated 11/15/2017 12:48:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I have  been working on a HP 2640B terminal. It was mostly about fixing the
"screen  mold" problem and cleaning up the liquids that had been seeping out
from  the screen down into the bottom.

The small coaxial wire that connects  the 4.9152 MHz clock signal form the
power supply (never seen a crystal  controlled SMPSU before!) to the
backplane was broken off, but after fixing  that the terminal worked fine.
Just needed some adjustment to the  brightness.

With the correct terminfo installed it worked quite well as  a serial
terminal to a Linux box.

Then I tried the short 8008  programs that Christian Corti pointed  to

http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html

and

ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2644

I  tried both a couple of times. The terminal enter the LOADER mode but  
just
hangs completely at the end. I tried different baudrates but no  difference.

The selftest STATUS line tell me 40<802 which should  indicate that there
are 4k memory in the terminal. However there should be  5k since there is
one 4k board and one combined control store and 1 k RAM  board. Maybe there
is a fault in the 1k SRAM? The terminal doesn't complain  though.

Regardless, the programs listed either starts at adress 3  or 36000
which should then be within the available space.

The  question is, should these program work for the HP2640B as well? It has
a  8008 but my guess is that the firmware is different from the 2644. What
is  the joint experience regarding this? Has anyone ran these small  
programs
above on a HP2640B?

The HP 2640B firmware consists of four  EA 4900 ROM chips which annoyingly
are not  anything like normal  EPROMs. So dumping will need special
considerations.

Has anyone  dumped the HP 2640B firmware already? I didn't find it  on
bitsavers.

/Mattis

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Ed via cctalk]

Many Thanks  for this. 
A useful addition to our  HP  docs here.
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2017 7:29:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

The  manual has been scanned and is on our FTP  server:
ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640S
eriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf

Enjoy  :-)

@Al: you may push it to  bitsavers

Christian

snippit of R2E hisoty on the surplus market. DEALIN'' ELECTRONICS date??

[Ed via cctalk]

Later  in life when Bull owned R2E  there was a z-80 with  either just 
floppy or floppy and hard drive... I have a catalog of an outfit  surplussing a 
group of them in USA called DEALIN'' ELECTRONICS in Palo Alto.  Date?
Ed  Sharpe archivist for SMECC

Re: "Left a home full of computers" Craigslist ad

[Ed via cctalk]

YEA BUT THAT  ASR 35  IS  WORTH  GOING AFTER IF   YOU ARE  CLOSE!
ED#
 
 
In a message dated 11/6/2017 10:43:32 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:



> On Nov 5, 2017, at 1:46 AM, jim stephens via cctalk  
 wrote:
> 
> I don't know anything  but the ad copy the poster placed.
> 
> I'd think there might be  more to the story if someone is in Southern New 
Hampshire and can contact and  perhaps visit.  Londonderry, north west from 
Lawrence, Lowell,  Ma.
> 
>  https://nh.craigslist.org/sop/d/teletype-printer/6369045622.html
>  
> "Antique teletype for sale it has been indoors with other computers  that 
are 20plus yrs old , Also have a new Radio Shack TRS80 ,with all the  
software and hardware ,printers,disc drives all like new , I was left a home  
with all of its contents tons of electronics and computers, call if you want  
me to send pics"

FWIW, I received some pics of these items.  The  TRS-80 is far from being 
in new condition.  It’s quite a bit beat up and  worn.=

Re: looking at buying a pocket PC / PDA

[Ed via cctalk]

In days of  old  would  use one  with a  50  ft  ribbon cable as a 
'portable' console  fro one of my hp 2000  systems I  would  just  rag it 
around to 
wherever I was in the  Computer Room.
or into  the front office  west of the computer room as  the   back of  the 
2000 was against  that  wall. In  those  days seemed  so amazing  to do so!
Ed#
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:57:23 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Hey,  TRS-80 M100 rocks! I've got several, and they all work perfectly to
this  day. Built by Kyocera, who isn't known for making junk..

The 30+ hr.  battery life alone is enough to earn them a high rating, and
they have a  built-in terminal program. I've used them to control headless
Linux boxes  several times via serial port. I believe they do 9600 or
possibly  19200.

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Ed via cctalk]

no the  other  hp museum!
across the pond!
http://hpmuseum.net/
 
good people!
 
 
it may already be online  they have  done a  good   job  scanning  stuff.
 
ed#
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

>  > Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to  
> > view on three days notice
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk  wrote:
> what  about the  kind  folks at the hp  museum?

. . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa  Rosa?

Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK

[Ed via cctalk]

what  about the  kind  folks at the hp museum?
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:38:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Well  they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view  
on
three days notice
Dave

On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade"   wrote:

> Marc,
>  They seem  to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of 
scanning
> them,  or making them available other than on personal request. I am in 
the
>  UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask.
> Dave
>
>  > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk  [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of
> > CuriousMarc  via cctalk
> > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10
> > To: 'General  Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> >  
> > Subject: HP 2640 character set  generation manual in the UK
> >
> > The link below is from  the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which
> > seems to have a copy  of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is
> > anyone from  that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know
> >  them?
> >  http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-
>  > Set-Ge
> > neration/
> >
> > Does anyone on  the list have a copy of this manual?
> >
> > Marc
>  >
>  >
>
>
>

Re: Tubbs fire consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and David P...

[Ed via cctalk]

I think  there are some people that will state anything at this point  at 
Corp. to cover their ass's over  this debacle...  Ed#  
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2017 12:19:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

This  article has more details about the archive situation and, more 
important,  it has a comment from HP at the  end.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/tech-history/silicon-revoluti
on/loss-of-hewlettpackard-archive-a-wakeup-call-for-computer-historians

Re: Look to get a copy of a Multi-Tech FM300 Modem manual

[Ed via cctalk]

they  claim FIRST ACOUSTIC COUPLER IN 1970 nah... 
 
GE  1968

My customer has an Olivetti

terminal that he wants to use

on GE Time-Sharing Service.

How much does our acoustic

coupler cost and what is the

rental fee?



The TDM 114 acoustic coupler

rents for $25 a month (including

maintenance by service

shops) and sells for $395. The

TDM 115 acoustic coupler costs

$495.
Aug.  1968 GE service  Note  - time share  etc 
Multi-Tech says... 
1970: Dr.  Sharma founds and incorporates Multi-Tech Systems, renting new 
office  space in the basement of the Schneider's Drug building in 
Minneapolis. He sells  the world's first acoustic coupler to Professor Schmitt, 
inventor of the Schmitt  trigger, for $300. 
worlds first?   hmmm... Not. 
Remember too the  Deaf had acoustic couplers prior   to  1970 also! 
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)   


 
In a message dated 10/31/2017 12:02:56 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

https://www.multitech.com/about-us/history
How accurate is this  Multi-Tech history?

Ed#


In a message dated 10/30/2017  11:07:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org  writes:

That  would be great. Next year as one of my teleprinter  demonstrations I
want to  have a
Teletype 33 or 35 and the FM300  and a Bell System 500 rotary dial   desk
phone.

-pete



On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:20  PM,  Chris Elmquist  wrote:

> Give me a  day or  two and I think I can help you out.  I used to work  at
> Multi-Tech  when the FM300 was still a product.  I have  several along 
with
>  original schematics, which are "blue  prints"...
>
> I have almost  as many stories about  Multi-Tech as I do ETA ;-)
>
>  Chris
>
> On  October 29, 2017 1:40:03 PM CDT, Pete Lancashire via  cctalk <
>  cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >I've acquired  a Multi-Tech  FM300 acoustic modem and even though I could
> >figure  out the  pin-outs
> >and switch settings, it would be great if I could   get a copy of the
> >original manual.
> >
>  >Goal  is to add it to a Teletype 33 or 35 and a Bell System 500  desk

>  >set.
> >
> >-pete
>
>  --
> Chris   Elmquist
>
>

Re: Look to get a copy of a Multi-Tech FM300 Modem manual

[Ed via cctalk]

https://www.multitech.com/about-us/history
How accurate is this Multi-Tech history?
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 10/30/2017 11:07:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

That  would be great. Next year as one of my teleprinter demonstrations I
want to  have a
Teletype 33 or 35 and the FM300 and a Bell System 500 rotary dial  desk
phone.

-pete



On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:20 PM,  Chris Elmquist  wrote:

> Give me a day or  two and I think I can help you out.  I used to work at
> Multi-Tech  when the FM300 was still a product.  I have several along with
>  original schematics, which are "blue prints"...
>
> I have almost  as many stories about Multi-Tech as I do ETA ;-)
>
>  Chris
>
> On October 29, 2017 1:40:03 PM CDT, Pete Lancashire via  cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >I've acquired  a Multi-Tech FM300 acoustic modem and even though I could
> >figure  out the pin-outs
> >and switch settings, it would be great if I could  get a copy of the
> >original manual.
> >
> >Goal  is to add it to a Teletype 33 or 35 and a Bell System 500 desk

>  >set.
> >
> >-pete
>
> --
> Chris  Elmquist
>
>

Re: HEXTIr - TI HexBus SD Drive

[Ed via cctalk]

Jim I thought  all TI  computers  had  one?  But  I  am new  to  TI's never 
owned one  when were  new...  just  dealing  with one in a  museum   
environment  now.
 
 
In a message dated 10/30/2017 8:25:17 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On  10/30/2017 9:32 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
> ok ..  does this   mean I can put lots of  ti 99/4 software  on thesd
> card  for people to play with  in the   museum?
> Ed#
Do you have a HexBus interface for the  99/4a?









I  thought  all of them  had  it?

Re: HEXTIr - TI HexBus SD Drive

[Ed via cctalk]

ok ..  does this  mean I can put lots of  ti 99/4 software  on the   sd 
card  for people to play with  in the  museum?
Ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/30/2017 7:06:33 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Sun,  29 Oct 2017 12:14:41 -0500
Jim Brain via cctalk   wrote:

> In case anyone has a fondness  for niche tech...
> 
> At VCF-SE this year, the TI folks had a  great exhibit, and perusing
> it I saw an unfamiliar machine, the TI  CC-40 (Compact Computer-40).
> While I was investigating, the exhibitor  (MillipedeMan aka Mark),
> told me the machines were frustrating to use,  as TI only supported
> one communications method on the unit, a  proprietary protocol called
> HexBus, and produced very low quantities  of very few peripherals that
> work on the bus. Most frustratingly, they  never producing a mass
> storage device in any appreciable quantity, and  there was no other
> way to save programs written on the unit.
>  
> Mark did note there was an eBay seller liquidating units, so I  bought
> a 2 unit combo from eBay before I left the show.
>  
> Sadly, Summer happened, but I was finally able to get to the  unit,
> and started working on an SD-based mass storage device for the  unit.
> It was an interesting journey to learn a new protocol.
>  
> The (development in progress) result is HEX-TI-r, the HexBus SD  drive:
> 
> GitHub source code is here:  https://github.com/go4retro/HEXTIr
> 
> Video of unit operating:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX5ahVCRdvM
> 
> I don't have a  project page up yet, but will work on that.
> 
> Jim
>  

Nice work, Jim. Thanks for the effort you've put into  this.

jbdigriz

Tubbs fire consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and David Packard

[Ed via cctalk]

 
The Tubbs fire  consumed the collected archives of William Hewlett and 
David Packard, the tech  pioneers who in 1938 formed an electronics company in 
a 
Palo Alto garage with  $538 in cash. 
More  than 100 boxes of the two men’s writings, correspondence, speeches 
and other  items were contained in one of two modular buildings that burned to 
the ground  at the Fountaingrove headquarters of Keysight Technologies. 
Keysight, the  world’s largest electronics measurement company, traces its 
roots to HP and  acquired the archives in 2014 when its business was split from 
Agilent  Technologies — itself an HP spinoff. 

http://bit.ly/2yd6Z2G 
(My added note)   And this is  why I continue to stress  multiple 
caches of  copies/scans of historical material... and sad... as in this  case 
here is  someone that  could have footed the bill and not missed the  money to  
do it.  
Ed#  Archivist  for SMECC

Re: Anyone know who does 'decmuseum.org', PDP-5 pictures

[Ed via cctalk]

Hi  Noel - 
http://www.dvq.com/
 
is the  master  site  it  seems..
 
I  goggled   dvg  anddec   as it  said it  was  copyrighted  dvg I 
figured  that would show up elsewhere and   it  did.
 
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2017 5:43:37 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Does  anyone know who does this site:

http://decmuseum.org/index.html

I looked, and didn't see anything in  the site itself, and doing a 'whois'
didn't turn up anything  useful.

The site has some really nice PDP-5 photos which I was  wondering if that
person could/would put in the public domain, so I can use  them for a PDP-5
article I'm working on for Wikipedia and the CHWiki. So  I'd like to get in
contact with them.

Noel

Re: Digression - Ah Yes!! The PDP-10

[Ed via cctalk]

oddly there  were times  you  could   dial into a  broken dec 10 connect 
and end up  connected to someone elses  session Ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/25/2017 2:18:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:



> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> Adamson via  cctalk
> Sent: 25 October 2017 20:56
> To:  cct...@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Digression - Ah Yes!! The  PDP-10
> 
> Beginning of the 70's I was using a pdp-10 at TSL  (Time Sharing Limited,
UK)
> over a phone line writing logic  simulation software in Fortran. Remember
it
> fondly, especially the  number of times I needed to redial in and try to
> reconnect to my  session. Still smell the teletype. Cost about £10 for the
20
>  seconds cpu-time or so just to compile the program!!!
> 

I used  to use the DECSYSTEM-20 from a Teletype (until they got replaced by
VDUs).  That is why I really wanted a nice Model 33 ASR, which I now have.  
I
sometimes connect it up to SIMH running TOPS-20 to relive the happiest  part
of my school days.


> Roll on a few years and I was  actually at the console of a 10 at Smiths
doing IC
> layout graphics  interactively on their Lady Jane suite. What a great
single-user
>  machine!
> 
> (and I still remember my username and password from  TSL, typed it so 
often
it
> burned in).
>  

Re: HP 21mx/whatever processor works with doublesided key... i forgot model#

[Ed via cctalk]

NOPE NOT A BIG  RTE PERSON -  BUT  YES THERE  WOULD  BE  MULTI  SERIAL 
BOARDS IN SOME INCOMING PROCESSORS 
 
RAN IT  ONCE AND PLAYED  WITH IT...
BROKE 1000 SYSTEMS   DOWN AND SOLD THE  PIECES.  THE  ONLY SYSTEMS THAT WE  
SUPPORTED SOFTWARE WISE  WERE  F   AND  THEN  ACCESS
 
 
THIS   21 WHATEVER   IS THE SKINNY ONE! DOUBLE  SIDED  KEY -  AND IF I 
REMEMBER WILL YANK IT UP OFF THE FLOOR IN  MY OFFICE TOMORROW  AND SEE THE  #  
BUTSUSPECT   2108 AS  
 
ABOUT  ALL I REMEMBER LIKING ABOUT IT WAS IT  HAD THE BOOT   BUILT IN 
,GRIN!.
 
WHAT I DID NOT  LIKE WAS  IT WAS NOT  CORE MEMORY.
 
SURE  WERE FUN  TIMES... 
 
ALTHOUGH THERE WAS ALWAYS A FOND  SPOT  FOR THE 21XX  STUFF...  I  GOT 
REALLY OCCUPIED  WITH THE 3000 AS A   COMPUTER THAT I WOULD  REALLY USE.  IN 
THE 
 EARLY  DAYS  OF  RUNNING  THE  ACCESS THOUGH  WHAT  GREAT   FUN  AND  THE 
100 BOARD  BBS/MULTI USER CHAT/VOTE AND  POL/EMAIL  AND MOST  GAMES WE DID  
GOT MOVED TO THE   3000.
 
ED - WHOSE KEYBOARD THINKS IT IS AN ASR 35 TELETYPE SO THAT IS HOW THE  
REST  OF THE MESSAGE  GOT  FININSHED
 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2017 7:37:48 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
jw...@classiccmp.org writes:

Ed  wrote...
--
HP 21mx/whatever   processorworks  with double  sided  key... (I forgot 
 
model#)
--
Given the way you phrased it, the correct replacement  for 'whatever' is M
series. E and F never used the double sided  key.
However, even that is not entirely correct. Older M's used the double  sided
key. Later M's used the single sided key that is the same as the E  and F.

And
---
It has ... of all things  3   tty  boards in it? what  is  with that? Multi
user  without  a  mux?
---
Didn't you sell and support these  things in a prior life? It was always far
more common to see the 21MX  machines with 'discrete' tty boards rather than
muxes. There were only two  mux boards, the one in 2000/Access which was 
very
uncommon as far as 21mx's  go... and the one that RTE commonly used which 
was
also not super common to  find in the wild. If you had a mux board, then I
would have been a bit  surprised. Multiple tty boards? Not surprised, that
was the far more common  thing more often than not, the 21mx's weren't
really used/targeted for  multiuser (except 2000 TSB of course). RTE did
multiuser well, but... still  was probably most often used in situations 
that
really didn't require it.  Mux's weren't super common.

And

Has  2   memory boards   think I  remember   64k  total.

64kb or 64kw? Remember, the M.E.M. option is required to  support more than
32kw. On the M, MEM was optional. I believe it was  standard on E & F.

And...
---
need to  find a   paper tape  basic   to   play   with.
---
There are plenty of those floating around. Google is your  friend... I think
MU-BASIC may have been the one I heard people using? See  below for a better
option

And...
--
Any other   advice?
--
You should probably start by reading an introduction to  the 21MX to get 
some
basic background on the machines...
Go to:  http://www.hpmuseum.net/exhibit.php?hwdoc=108
You should start with  02108-90004 followed by 02108-90002

Finally - for you (and anyone else)  that has just a cpu or a cpu and 
minimal
peripherals, the best thing you  can use to play with the machine is Terry
Newtons HP-IPL/OS.
See  http://www.infionline.net/~wtnewton/oldcomp/hp2100/  and
http://newton.freehostia.com/net/hpiplos.html
Yes, you can run BASIC  like you mention above. But it is a very well done
"Forth-like" system that  is well developed/flushedout. So in addition to
BASIC, you get  oh-so-many-wonderful-things. I very highly recommend that
anyone messing  with 21mx/1000 systems take a good look at  HP-IPL/OS.

Best,

J

HP 21mx/whatever processor works with doublesided key... i forgot model#

[Ed via cctalk]

Progress!
 
HP 21mx/whatever   processor   works  with double  sided  key... (I forgot 
model#)
 
Thank goodness  for that  guy ion  ebay selling them!
 
 I  got  2... one to use...and  one  to   loose/put in bag of keys.
 
Now  to replace the   fuse holder on the back... that  is  mushed.
 
It has ... of all things  3  tty  boards in it? what  is  with that? Multi 
user without  a  mux?
 
Has  2  memory boards   think I  remember   64k total.
 
need to  find a  paper tape  basic   to   play  with.
 
Any other  advice?
 
Ed#
 
 
 

anyone collecting CLIO littke folding computers? tablet?

[Ed via cctalk]

anyone collecting CLIO  littke  folding computers? tablet?
have an extra one  to swap/sell' whatever.
 
drop me  a line  off list  !
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  

Re: Halt and Catch Fire (TV series)

[Ed via cctalk]

In a message dated 10/16/2017 10:28:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard Tim,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


>  On Oct 16, 2017, at 2:18 AM, tom sparks via cctalk  
 wrote:
> 
> I have just finished  watching [Halt and Catch  
Fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire_(TV_series))
>  I've tried to Identify the companies the show represents
>  
>  
>  1990 -1995 (Season 4):
>  * Comet =  [Yahoo!  
Directory?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Directory)
>   Gordon Clark ( founder ), Joe 

Jerry and David’s Guide to the WWW and  Yahoo! were mentioned on the show 
as competitors in one of the final  episodes.=
 
correctyahoo  was  on  the  netscape  tool bar  which Joe  figured 
doomed   comet.
 
Ed#
 
 

Re: More videos of VCF's Univac

[Ed via cctalk]

good to see it up and running!
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 10/10/2017 5:08:17 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

nice  job.  How many 1219-B's are still running in the world any  more?
Bill

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk  <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Here it is  loading/running memory tests and Wumpus. :)
>
>  https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_e5fSxflvrzeovlnioDfQR86zJOLPQ-D
>

Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Ed via cctalk]

When I see something that is   neat...I  camp on it   until I decide or 
have a friend  put his hand on and stand in front. Yea...  to many times  turn 
around and  then look  down and someone else  now  has it...  Ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/8/2017 9:52:59 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I missed  out on a nice Hallicrafters receiver at a hamfest last weekend...
Walked  way to look it up, and it was gone when I came  back!

Re: Did DEC make a Daisy Wheel printer?

[Ed via cctalk]

Yea... so   DEC  sold them... but  the  mech   was  oem  diablio?
 
 
In a message dated 10/8/2017 10:51:39 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


our  printers  -- daisywheel type --  on  wps-8system   had a diablio 
mech as I remember... 
Ed#   _www.smec.org_ (http://www.smec.org) 



In a message dated  10/8/2017 10:35:55 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,   
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


>  On Oct 8, 2017, at  10:31 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
  wrote:
> 
> On 10/08/2017 10:19 AM,  Zane Healy via cctalk  wrote:
>> Did DEC make any sort of impact  printer, besides  dot-matrix printers?  
I have an LA50 or two, and  dot-matrix  isn’t what I’m after.
> 
> You mean like the LQP03 or   LQP45?   I don't know if DEC made the basic
> mechanism,   however.
> 
> --Chuck
> 

Yes, that and the LQP02  that  Adrian just mentioned will get me pointed in 
the right   direction.

Zane

Re: Did DEC make a Daisy Wheel printer?

[Ed via cctalk]

our printers  -- daisywheel type --  on  wps-8   system   had a diablio 
mech as I remember... 
Ed#  _www.smec.org_ (http://www.smec.org) 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/8/2017 10:35:55 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


>  On Oct 8, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
 wrote:
> 
> On 10/08/2017 10:19 AM,  Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>> Did DEC make any sort of impact  printer, besides dot-matrix printers?  
I have an LA50 or two, and  dot-matrix isn’t what I’m after.
> 
> You mean like the LQP03 or  LQP45?   I don't know if DEC made the basic
> mechanism,  however.
> 
> --Chuck
> 

Yes, that and the LQP02 that  Adrian just mentioned will get me pointed in 
the right  direction.

Zane

Re: OT: the death of shortwave / Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Ed via cctalk]

In a message dated 10/7/2017 4:46:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On  2017-Oct-07, at 2:39 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
> Good  collection  start  Al!
> What  homed  you in   collecting Hallicrafters?
> 
> We have various  SW radios  at  SMECC  but  I was  really  touched to get 
  
> hold of a S-40B  like  I had   in my youth.   Now to put new power supply 
> capacitors in it  and make   it  Fly.
> 
> I imagine there are a number of  folks on  list  that like  radios  too 
as  
> before we were  able to own computer to  do  electronics  with in  the  
times 
> of  old  (50s &  60s)  we  ll  played  with radios, got ham licenses, 
> shortwave  listened,  got CBs or had a pirate neighborhood radio station!

SW is dead. The  Internet killed it.

You can fix your S-40B but there won't be much to  make it fly with.

There are a couple international broadcasters left,  but nothing like it 
used to be.
I was an SWL'er as a kid in the 70s,  learned a lot about the world.
Voice of America, Armed Forces Network,  Radio Japan, Radio Hilversum 
Holland, Deutsche Welle, HCJB Voice of the Andes,  Radio Prague, Radio Moscow, 
Radio Peking, BBC, etc., etc., etc.
Listening  to the Cold War play out on the international airwaves.

Pretty much all  gone.  Left between the static are a few religious  
broadcasters.
Yes  very diminished from the 60s...
 
2 things I always  considered  my gateway to freedom... by SW  sets and   
my motorcycle! in my youth... Got  to have both at  young ages a  quick 
push to   dead end of Crenshaw and I  could  go allover part of Palos 
Verdes on dirt roads and trails...
 
I was  quite shocked  when I heard on radio Havanamost  Americans 
supplemented their  daily diet  with   dog  food!
 
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 

Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Ed via cctalk]

Yikes - -  and  at the time  I complained about   carrying   the  S40B  
home Yikes  SX 28 is  HEAVY!
 
That is a very good performing  set. Be  sure to  check all  the bypass  
caps too.. they can be problematic.   Ed#   _www.smecc.org_ 
(http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/7/2017 4:05:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
tdk.kni...@gmail.com writes:

I've got  a sx28 needs to be recapped has allot of humming going on was 
last serviced in  the 70s by my dad he got it for free when he was 12 if he 
could carry it home  a mile 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 7, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Ed  via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
> SX-115 Is a  nice looking  radio  Al!
> Not  sure there are a lot  of  them around  though as  
> I  so not  remember  even  being offered  any.
> 
> Be   patient... one will show up at a good  price...
> Also if  I  see one  out there will let  you know of the   whereabouts.
> Ed#
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  In a message dated 10/7/2017 3:03:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,   
> a...@bitsavers.org writes:
> 
> 
> 
>> On  10/7/17 2:39 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> What   homed  you in  collecting Hallicrafters?
> 
> A  friends  SX-43 got me interested in shortwave, and in getting my  
ticket
> when I was  in high school. I was given a basket-case  SX-115 when I was 
17
> that I never  got going. Apparently, those  are worth a lot of money now 
> since
> the  production run  was so short. Oh  well..
> 
> 

Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Ed via cctalk]

SX-115 Is a nice looking  radio  Al!
Not  sure there are a lot of  them around  though as  
I  so not remember  even  being offered  any.
 
Be  patient... one will show up at a good  price...
Also if  I see one  out there will let  you know of the  whereabouts.
Ed#
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/7/2017 3:03:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
a...@bitsavers.org writes:



On 10/7/17 2:39 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:

>  What  homed  you in  collecting Hallicrafters?

A friends  SX-43 got me interested in shortwave, and in getting my ticket
when I was  in high school. I was given a basket-case SX-115 when I was 17
that I never  got going. Apparently, those are worth a lot of money now 
since
the  production run was so short. Oh  well..

Re: Hallicrafters S-85

[Ed via cctalk]

Good collection  start  Al!
What  homed  you in  collecting Hallicrafters?
 
We have various  SW radios at  SMECC  but  I was  really  touched to get  
hold of a S-40B  like  I had   in my youth.  Now to put new power supply 
capacitors in it  and make  it  Fly.
 
I imagine there are a number of  folks on list  that like  radios  too as  
before we were able to own computer to  do  electronics  with in  the times 
of  old  (50s &  60s)  we  ll played  with radios, got ham licenses, 
shortwave  listened, got CBs or had a pirate neighborhood radio station!
 
Ed# 
 
 
In a message dated 10/7/2017 11:51:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:



On 10/7/17 11:47 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
>  I've starting to collect Hallicrafters and would be interested

since  this list's 'reply' bit me in the ass, I may as well say what I  have

S-40
S-62
SX-43
SX-99
SX-100
SX-101

Re: PDP-Lifter

[Ed via cctalk]

Kudos Steve Well done!
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 10/6/2017 10:54:01 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

After  the discussion last year about lifting and racking heavy gear, I 
bodged  together some hardware and
came up with the PDP-Lifter. It allows easy  movement, lifting and lowering 
for racking and unracking equipment
in 19"  racks. Specifically for PDP-11's and the H960, but could be used 
for pretty  much any other old stuff.

I've written a blurb with construction  details which you can find at
http://web.aanet.com.au/~malikoff/pdp11/PDP-Lifter/

(also posted to my  blog on the VCF  forum)

Steve.

Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org

[Ed via cctalk]

Maybe Jay can locate him  and  offer to  re host it?
Ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/7/2017 10:25:34 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Sat,  Oct 07, 2017 at 09:01:32AM -0700, Vincent Slyngstad wrote:
[...]
> My  copy appears to be 724MB.  The .zip is 619 MB and the .7z came in
>  at 596 MB.

Interesting. I am again rerunning some download, this time  set to
continue if there were some failed files. And recording it all  via
/usr/bin/script, so I can later skim over it.

BTW, (because  definition of megabyte seems to vary even from one
command to  another):

=>  (971 5):   tar cpf -  PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/ | wc -c
566804480

=> du -skx  PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/pdp-8.org/test-scans/
17128PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/pdp-8.org/test-scans/

=>  tar  cpf - PDP8/DUMP_pdp8_org_20171007_0001/pdp-8.org/test-scans/ | wc  
-c
17530880

> The 16 MB I got for test-scans doesn't look  important, though.  (It
> seems to be several rescans of the H724  schematic.)
> 
>Vince

This is how it looks in  my copy, too.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C  programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.   **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home   **
** directory. And then the C programmer became  enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **

Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org

[Ed via cctalk]

curious wonder why it  works for some but not all... Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 10/6/2017 1:47:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

> From: Vincent Slyngstad

> Aaron's website  seems to be working for me

Anyone who still has access to it should  down-load the entire thing 
promptly.

Noel

Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org

[Ed via cctalk]

OK  got it  but  some  missing  but   some of that seems to be external 
sites that are belly up.
Ed#
 
In a message dated 10/6/2017 8:53:07 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

go to  archive.org  and  suck down a copy of it.
multiple   people  should  keep  copies?
Did  the   fellow   pass away?
Ed#


In a message dated 10/6/2017  6:21:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org  writes:


>  On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Peter Coghlan via  cctalk  
 wrote:
> 
>  ...
> Same  here.  I get a "server failed" DNS error when  trying to look up  
pdp8.org.

I get "No such domain" both from  my own DNS server, and from  the one at 
Google (8.8.8.8).  But  "whois" shows the name registered to  Aaron, 
expiring 
in March  2018.

paul

Re: Aaron Nabil & pdp-8.org

[Ed via cctalk]

go to archive.org  and  suck down a copy of it.
multiple  people  should  keep  copies?
Did  the  fellow   pass away?
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 10/6/2017 6:21:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


>  On Oct 6, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk  
 wrote:
> 
> ...
> Same  here.  I get a "server failed" DNS error when trying to look up  
pdp8.org.

I get "No such domain" both from my own DNS server, and from  the one at 
Google (8.8.8.8).  But "whois" shows the name registered to  Aaron, expiring 
in March 2018.

paul

Re: (Classic Computers) HP 7970 1/2" 9-Track Reel-to-Reel Tape Drive

[Ed via cctalk]

YES! hp 30  series  3000  systems and 40   series  had   hpib  1600 bpi 
7970e  in early  days.  later they had   other  drives that  would   go  6250...
 
 
and I  wish I had  one  to  load  the   old   bulleting board email  chat  
software up on the   hp 3000 37 I have  here.
 
later  dried  were hpib also   but  theolder   30 and 40 series all 
used   7970e  hpib... I know I was there... I  owned some!
 
Ed Sharpe retired   ceo   computer exchange  Inc. 
now  seeing my life before me in museums 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/3/2017 5:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I've  never once seen that option in the wild though, so I don't think one 
would say  "most" had it. I do have a handful of 7970E's running and a 7970B 
I should  probably get rid of Chuck Guzis had recently posted the 
following which  may shed light:

Re: OmniUSB - further boards to make

[Ed via cctalk]

please  send into  to us as well...
thanks ed#
 
 
In a message dated 10/3/2017 12:12:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:



On 10/1/2017 4:17 PM, SYLVIA MCMAHON via cctalk  wrote:
> Hello Philip,
> I registered interest in purchasing a  Omnibus USB interface some time 
ago. Is this project still alive?
>  Regards,   Baz
>
> Sent from my iPad
I forwarded  Philipps information to this person  offline.
thanks
Jim

Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden

[Ed via cctalk]

yes if   the tree sap stuff  if  can get fungus in  it.  had that happen to 
microscope lenses in the lab
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/29/2017 2:11:26 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Fri,  29 Sep 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:
> what  was the orig. bonding  material between   face glass  and  tube? 
just
>  curious

fungus?

Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden

[Ed via cctalk]

Paul so the case it self is what held the class in place  then?
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/29/2017 11:00:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On my  9835A it was Canadian Balsam a common optical bonding material.   
I  bonded the shield on my to the front of the case using epoxy.  I had  
tried tape but it slowly settled to the bottom of the case, I guess my  
tape was not thick enough.  In a very old TV I once had there was  just a 
sheet of plate  glass set into the front of the cabinet in  front of a 
tube that did not have any implosion  protection.

Paul.
>   

Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden

[Ed via cctalk]

Cory - good  suggestion about the double sided  tape.
 
what  was the orig. bonding material between   face glass  and  tube? just 
curious
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/26/2017 5:29:30 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
coryheisterk...@gmail.com writes:

 
 

It's the understood chemical decomposition of the  adhesive that holds the 
screen shield to the CRT.  It's pretty much  inevitable, from what I 
understand.  The solution is to separate the  shield from the CRT, clean the 
face 
of the CRT and reattach the  shield.  Some people don't reattach it, and some 
people think they are  risking serious injury - no opinion. Will the newer 
adhesives hold up  better?  We hope so.  -- Ian 

--

Ian S. King,  MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School








A common trick amongst TV collectors with the  large 23" round CRTs is to 
carefully remove the tube and place it face down in  a kiddy pool of lukewarm 
water. Let it sit an hour or two in the sun and the  faceplate will slide 
right off. 


To re-adhere the glass after cleaning, one technique is  to use double 
sided foam tape on the face around the perimeter; similar  thickness to the 
original PVA and holds well, especially if under slight  compression once the 
tube is reinstalled.  -C

I forget does this take attachments or inline images?-Ed#

[Ed via cctalk]

I  forget does this  take   attachments or inline  images?-Ed#

Re: HP 2108A key

[Ed via cctalk]

well.  do not  see any 2007
so bought  one  incase the  1000   is the one that  uses  that  one.
easier   than  driving back to the building.
 
however.  I  did  find  a but  ofother  HP  keys even  some ace  
style?
 found my open the 2645   thingis my hp 1000 beltbuckle (  bif g bronze 
thing)
may  ace keys  probably  dec and  some classic   8
 
another  hp2000a  rime share   emblem off a first ever  hp timeshare 
system.  ( seems I have a couple extras  so one can  go)
 
found  spare keys to the  computer biz in the 80s
 
but  have a heck of a lot of  quantity I have no idea what they  are or 
what they go to  but  yea there are ## on them.   probably  some  DG  too
 
Ed#
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2017 6:03:40 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Supplying an example ebay  auction:

H2007-2007-Key-Precut-Chicago-Lock-Illinois-NEW-FACTORY-CUT-SHIPS-FAST

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322652408202

Re: HP 2108A key

[Ed via cctalk]

FANTASTIC -!
 
I still need to triage the  shoe boxes too-
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2017 1:47:00 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


I received a key that was made based on the  Chicago Lock H2007 key in 
Christian's  picture:

http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pics/hp1000/keys/P1080975.
JPG

It works!

I've asked our resident keymaster to  post any specifications needed to 
duplicate this key.

Thanks to everyone involved, for their help.


Mike Loewenmloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/

Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden

[Ed via cctalk]

Folks - Any idea what causes the screen rot?
 
also  any preventative measures to  keep it  from happening  or spreading?
Ed#
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2017 10:20:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
isk...@uw.edu writes:

 
On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ed via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
wrote:

The  shipping cost  would be obscene!
Ed#


In a message dated  9/24/2017 6:57:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cctalk@classiccmp.org  writes:

> On  I Sep 23, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via  cctalk
<cctalk@classiccmp.org>  wrote:
> The 7970E comes in an HP-IB  version

Indeed, and  I even have one of these beautiful tapes! I managed  to
interface it  to my HP 85 but that was very hard. It required bus sniffing  
work,  an
FPGA adapter, and making an HP 85 "driver" for the thing (see  the  result
in a demo here: https://youtu.be/YS9dGYUbNd0). Great to know the  same  tape
works out the box on an HP 9845. Yet one more reason for  me to get one  
;-).
But my, from Sweden, that's going to be a  monster shipping and  customs
headache.
Marc







I  have one of these with pretty bad screen rot, and I'm not sure if my 
HPIB  controller is working right - but the system itself runs pretty well.   
One of my local collector friends has developed an approach to pull the face  
shield and replace the adhesive - on my list of things to do  --  Ian 


-- 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
_The  Information School_ (http://ischool.uw.edu/) 

Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a  
Sociotechnical Narrative Through a Design Lens



Principal Investigator, "Reflections on  Early Computing and Social 
Change", UW IRB #42619


Archivist, _Voices From the Rwanda  Tribunal_ (http://tribunalvoices.org/)  
_Value Sensitive Design Research Lab_ (http://vsdesign.org/) 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon  could go to China." 

Re: HP 7970E - interest to split?

[Ed via cctalk]

What is really  scarce is a  7 track  7970b!
Had one once...  it was the first  used HP  item I ever sold  when I was in 
the used computer  biz  early 80s.
 Wish now  I had  kept it! 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/25/2017 10:26:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On  09/25/2017 08:27 AM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote:
> Cool! Aaa, good  to know one of them can't be used individually.
> 
> What might be  involved in using one with a PDP-8/e emulated on SimH? I 
can
>  build/program any sort of custom USB device to interface this big  stuff,
> which I'll open-source of course. But does it need special  power/startup
> stuff beyond a control interface to get it  working?

I can speak only for my experience with the 7970B, which is an  800 NRZI
model and has no "slave' mode. The distinguishing characteristic  on the
7970E between master and slave is that the slave does not contain  the
1600 PE read or write circuitry.

If you're accustomed to a  Pertec interface, then the 800 interface isn't
terribly different, just  dumber.  You still have a connector for the
basic motion and status  commands (i.e. forward, reverse, rewind,
high-speed and online, loadpoint,  ready, protect) and you have two
8-bit+parity clocked data channels for  read and write respectively, each
with their own connector.

However,  there is no formatter, as on Pertec interface drives.  You get
the  raw, framed and deskewed data on read and pretty much anything you
want to  put in on write.   No "handshaking" as the interfaces are  not
buffered.

Thanks to Al, I've just adapted a 7970B to used a  combination head stack
for 7 and 9 track tapes.   Some 7970Es  already come so equipped, but
they're not common.  I fabricated a  small PCB with 5 miniature DPDT
relays to do the switching and it fits  right under the head assembly,
with the B's 9-track read amplifier plugging  in as usual.

The lack of a formatter means that you'll have to do the  work of gap
detection, parity checking/generation and CRC/LRCC  interpretation and
generation yourself, as well as manage the control  lines.

I used a small STM32F407 MCU board (about $10) which has lots of  5V
tolerant I/O, so receiving data and status is no problem.  For  driving
control lines, simply set the GPIO pins for open-drain  operation.
There's something like 24ma of sinking capacity on those, so  again, no
need for intermediate logic.   Since I'm interested in  reading tapes,
but not writing them, I can't address the issue of what to  do about that
end.  My setup uses a serial port for interaction and a  USB port that
makes the onboard SDHC look like a generic storage  device.  So, read a
tape, dump the data into the SDHC (Chan's FATFS  software is useful);
suck it out via the USB port to a PeeSee.

To  handle 1600 PE data would require yet another layer of software.

I  realize that not many are interested in my peculiar needs, but perhaps
this  will go to answer a question or  two.

--Chuck

Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden

[Ed via cctalk]

The shipping cost  would be obscene!
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/24/2017 6:57:29 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

> On  I Sep 23, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
 wrote:
> The 7970E comes in an HP-IB  version

Indeed, and I even have one of these beautiful tapes! I managed  to 
interface it to my HP 85 but that was very hard. It required bus sniffing  
work, an 
FPGA adapter, and making an HP 85 "driver" for the thing (see the  result 
in a demo here: https://youtu.be/YS9dGYUbNd0). Great to know the same  tape 
works out the box on an HP 9845. Yet one more reason for me to get one  ;-). 
But my, from Sweden, that's going to be a monster shipping and customs  
headache.
Marc

Re: HP 9845 complete system on auction in Sweden

[Ed via cctalk]

the  tape  drive  was an  hpib  version as was  used on the later hp 3000 
systems.
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 9/23/2017 4:11:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Sep  22, 2017 11:47 PM, "Curious Marc via cctalk"  

wrote:

I didn't know you could  interface a 9845 with a 7970 tape drive.


The 9845 was the  top-of-the-line workstation. It could be interfaced to
almost everything  computer-controlable that HP  made.

Re: HP 2108A key

[Ed via cctalk]

YIKES  I should  check too   I  do have  a   few 30 year old  keys on my  
ring. Pretty  sure  the  Hp-2000  and HP-3000 keys  are still there perhaps 
the   pdp-8 m or f  and possibly one  for the 2000ATimeshare  cabinets. 
 I will see what  else... you  tend  
to  put them on and never take them off.  Ed# ( that has a key  ring 
suitable  for self-defense.)



In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:48:39 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

YIKES  I should  check too   I  do have  a   few 30 yea old  keys on my  
ring. Pretty   sure the  Hp-2000  and HP-300 key  are still there and 
possibly  
one  for the 2000A   Timeshare  cabinets.  I will  see what  else... you  
tend 
to  put them on and never take  them off.  Ed#


In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:44:12 P.M. US  Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org  writes:

Well,  that explains one of my mystery keys on my  keychain... I used to 
work with HP  1000 systems. 
I still have  one of the HP 264x 'keys' which opened up the  terminal. 

From:  "cctalk"  
To:  "cctalk"   
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017   1:20:42 PM 
Subject: Re: HP 2108A key 

> Unmarked - single  sided  in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap 
> generic cam  lock, may be a  post-sale replacement lock (due to too 
> many keys  extant, or the boss  wandered off with the key) It is 
> definitely  NOT a match for either of  the keys that Dennis described. 
> Cuts  from bow to tip look like they  could be something like 6-1-3-1 
>  (depending on depth specs)  

Confession time. I copied the cuts by  hand, and did it backwards  
because of the similarty of the key  designation. Sigh. 

The correct  cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read  bow to tip. 

I _think_ Christian's  last two systems (several  photos each) both have 
variants of the 4T1427.  

Here's a  catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys:   
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532  

De  

Re: HP 2108A key

[Ed via cctalk]

YIKES  I should  check too   I  do have a   few 30 yea old  keys on my  
ring. Pretty  sure the  Hp-2000  and HP-300 key  are still there and possibly 
one  for the 2000A   Timeshare  cabinets.  I will see what  else... you  tend 
to  put them on and never take them off.  Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/22/2017 1:44:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Well,  that explains one of my mystery keys on my keychain... I used to 
work with HP  1000 systems. 
I still have one of the HP 264x 'keys' which opened up the  terminal. 

From: "cctalk"  
To:  "cctalk"  
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017  1:20:42 PM 
Subject: Re: HP 2108A key 

> Unmarked - single sided  in an HP 1000 M-series; looks like a cheap 
> generic cam lock, may be a  post-sale replacement lock (due to too 
> many keys extant, or the boss  wandered off with the key) It is 
> definitely NOT a match for either of  the keys that Dennis described. 
> Cuts from bow to tip look like they  could be something like 6-1-3-1 
> (depending on depth specs)  

Confession time. I copied the cuts by hand, and did it backwards  
because of the similarty of the key designation. Sigh. 

The correct  cuts for the 4T1427 are 7241 read bow to tip. 

I _think_ Christian's  last two systems (several photos each) both have 
variants of the 4T1427.  

Here's a catalog entry at CHM for another pair of 4T1427 keys:  
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102668532 

De  

Re: HP 2108A key

[Ed via cctalk]

OK  that is helpful! I can look though the  box and  have  something to  
compare  with! 
 
For the purpose of  finding a match  for Mike's  2018   is that a single  
sided or double sided key Mike ( or others knowing) 
 
the HP MX Processor MXthat was  contributed to SMECC is thinner than  the 
ones here. I will have to get the model #  when I  am in that  area.   I need 
to replace fuse  holder on the back.Ed# - _www.smecc.org_ 
(http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/22/2017 2:42:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Thu,  21 Sep 2017, Sam O'nella wrote:
> Should be easy but my mobile google fu  is failing. Didn't Jay and a few 
> others know if a vintage computer  key database/site somewhere? Would 
> that possibly have or benefit from  getting afterwards? null

Ok, I went into our storage and made some  pics:
http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp1000/keys.html

In  total, there are three different keys used on the 21MX, 1000M and  
1000E/F.

Christian

Re: COTROL SYS> Navy using X Boxes to control sub periscopes Check this out!

[Ed via cctalk]

probably  not  much..  but  It  was   odd!
#ed
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2017 5:10:03 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

That's  very nice, Ed. What does this have to do with classic  computing,
exactly?

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 13:46 Ed via cctalk  <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Navy using X Boxes to control  sub  periscopesCheck this  out!
>
>  
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/09/20/us-navy-will-use-xbox-controllers-to-
>  operate-submarine-periscopes.html
>  
<http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/09/20/us-navy-will-use-xbox-controllers-to-operate-submarine-periscopes.html>
>
--  
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: HP 2108A key

[Ed via cctalk]

Most of the  time  processors  came in whole  and   got  sold  out  as  
parts..
The  2  things that always seemed left overwere  keys and carcass!
Ed#
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2017 10:25:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

>  > > I used to come home after a hard day with computers and if I had  
> > > weird keys 30 plus years ago they went into a box or  plastic bag..
> > So, YOU are the guy who always walked off with the  keys at the end of 
> > the day, and never brought them  back.

On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> Excuse me?  I owned the company!
> My Company... my  keys..
> and in  those days   there were lots of them!
> How   funny!
> Ed#

Ah!
So you are the BOSS who would wander off with  the keys, and not bring them 
back!
("Never give the boss the only  key!")


I was the boss in my auto shop.  One of my employees  taught me the basics 
of locksmithing.  I never developed much skill,  but at least I could 
understand the theory.


--
Grumpy Ol'  Fred  ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: HP 2108A key

[Ed via cctalk]

Excuse me? I owned the company!
 
My Company... my  keys..
and in those days   there were lots of them!
 
How  funny!
 
Ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2017 9:15:14 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On 21  September 2017 at 18:02, Fred Cisin via  cctalk
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, 21 Sep  2017, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> I dunno what all  thathe means
>
>
> Q: Do you WANT to know what all thathe  means?
>
>> I am offering to
>> .look thru shoe box of  keys I Ave one if the thin mx processors do not
>> temember what  number but I know Keyes not in it... I used to come home 
after
>> a  hard day with computers and if I had weird keys 30 plus years ago  
they
>> went into a box or plastic bag..
>
>
> So,  YOU are the guy who always walked off with the keys at the end of the
>  day, and never brought them back.


Well, you know: certain things  are correlated.

"I am too important to bother to learn how to quote  properly."

"I am too important to bother to return keys."

Both  mean that the person doesn't respect other people, and expects
them to just  work around their "adorable little eccentricities".

It means, in short,  "fsck you".

I don't know about anyone else, but I know how _I_ respond  to folk like 
that.

-- 
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Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • Google  Mail/Talk/Plus: lpro...@gmail.com
Twitter/Facebook/Flickr: lproven •  Skype/LinkedIn/AIM/Yahoo: liamproven
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COTROL SYS> Navy using X Boxes to control sub periscopes Check this out!

[Ed via cctalk]

Navy using X Boxes to control sub  periscopesCheck this  out!
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/09/20/us-navy-will-use-xbox-controllers-to-
operate-submarine-periscopes.html

Re: Apple ][ PS

[Ed via cctalk]

or  buy another   apple 2 with bad other things   for  not  much and  grab 
the  PS  from it...
Ed#
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/18/2017 9:54:59 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I've  used this  one.
http://store.reactivemicro.com/product/universal-psu-kit/

Michael.

On  Tue, 19 Sep 2017 at 6:09 am, Shoppa, Tim via cctalk  <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>  wrote:

Re: Chasing Digiac...

[Ed via cctalk]

yep Allison - noticed the date  but once posted... alas too  late. too 
late. 
I  would like to  find the  1966  one by the  same  name  though! Ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/17/2017 9:50:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Huge  temporal disconnect.

The smcc manual is from 1966...  S100 was  first seen as the MITS altair
in late 1974.

Allison


On  09/17/2017 03:03 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
> well there is  this  total  cool  book and picture! 
>  
>  http://www.smecc.org/digiac.htm
>  
> we  would love  to  find the system!
>  
>  
>
> 
>  From:  cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Reply-to: ge...@deltasoft.com
> To:   cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Sent: 9/17/2017 11:55:38 A.M. US Mountain  Standard  Time
> Subj: Chasing Digiac...
>
>
>  I'm trying to find out more information about a Digiac 4500  S-100 bus  
> system that will eventually be coming my way.  The machine   was 
originally 
> obtained through an estate sale and all the docs  were  thrown out. :(
>
> It appears to be some kind of  computer system trainer,  but information 
on 

> the 'net is  VERY scarce.  In fact, the only time  I've found "Digiac 
4500"  
> _anywhere_ is where it's listed as having  software support in  an ad for 
a 
> robot  arm.
>
> Thanks!
>
>  g.
>
>

Fwd: Chasing Digiac...

[Ed via cctalk]

well there is  this total  cool  book and picture! 
 
http://www.smecc.org/digiac.htm
 
we  would love to  find the system!
 
 
  

 From: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Reply-to: ge...@deltasoft.com
To:  cctalk@classiccmp.org
Sent: 9/17/2017 11:55:38 A.M. US Mountain Standard  Time
Subj: Chasing Digiac...


I'm trying to find out more information about a Digiac 4500  S-100 bus 
system that will eventually be coming my way.  The machine  was originally 
obtained through an estate sale and all the docs were  thrown out. :(

It appears to be some kind of computer system trainer,  but information on 
the 'net is VERY scarce.  In fact, the only time  I've found "Digiac 4500" 
_anywhere_ is where it's listed as having  software support in an ad for a 
robot  arm.

Thanks!

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Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...

[Ed via cctalk]

I remember the  first  articles I wrote  for  the HP  chronicle  newspaper 
I 
did  with  editor 3000...  it  was  handy as  where ever I was   I could 
log  
on and  work on  it.



In a message dated 9/10/2017 6:08:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I  remember the  fort  articles I wrote  for the HP   chronicle  newspaper 
I 
did  with  editor 3000... it   was  handy as  where ever i was   I could 
log 
on  and  work on  it.


In a message dated 9/10/2017 6:04:53  P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org  writes:

>>  Virtually ALL "FIRST"s in history had obscure  predecessors.
>> Hence  the word "FIRST" should be avoided by  any real historians with  
integrity.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Guy  Sotomayor Jr wrote:
> I think  it all depends upon how you define  “word processing”.  For 
> me I  absolutely detest things like  MS Word.  Probably because I started 
 
> with markup  languages.

Well, in THIS case, the claim was "the  first author to  write a novel on a 
computer".
There are a LOT of items  subject to  dispute.  Does "write a novel on a 
computer" include   manuscripts that were never submitted to publisher?
manuscripts rejected  by  publisher?
manuscripts that never made it to print?
Manuscripts  that  were printed, but had inadequate sales?
Published novels that  weren't best  sellers?
include composing on computer, but then retyped  by  secretary?
include composing offline, but typed on a computer  by  secretary?
Is a dedicated word processor machine a computer?
Is  a  terminal on a timesharing system "on a computer"?

So, I'm  settling for  pointing out that "FIRST" usually ignores obscure,  
little known,  unsuccessful, predecessors.

Jerry did some  great things to popularize  microcomputers, and bring them 
to the  masses.
He was an EARLY user  (Electric Pencil), but certainly not  "THE FIRST".

He wrote an  entertaining column.  It sometimes  pissed us off.
He was loud and  opinionated.
He had easy access to  all the latest stuff that we wanted -  one time, 
another columnist  ridiculed him by talking about Seymour Cray  personally 
installing  and troubleshooting a machine given to  Jerry.

We will miss  him.


PS: I started with an editor on a  timeahring system, and  then when 
microcomputers came out, used Electric  Pencil, then  SCRIPSIT (My Honda 
book) and Wordstar.  But once I  settled in,  I liked to use PC-Write for 
text editing (Bob Wallace and I  were  buddies in high school), and used 
Xerox Ventura for  formatting.   (XenoSoft manuals, etc.)
Now I use Word and Open  Office Writer.
I did my  PhD written exams on Windows Write, and was  the first person in 
the School  of Library and Information Studies to  do them on a  computer.
("FIRST"!!)  I responded to faculty  objections with, "Are  you going to 
grade me on my penmanship?"   Windows Write, being  included in the OS, 
seemed to answer some of  the concerns about how to  "sanitize" a computer 
to avoid smuggling  in pre-written  content.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred   ci...@xenosoft.com


> The first one was one  that I wrote  for the IBM 1130 so I could do a 
high 
school research  paper (1974).  It  was written in
> Fortran (sorry long gone)  and the “paper” was all on  punch cards and 
printed on a 1403  printer.  I did it mainly  because
> it was a pain to keep  track of how to format for footnotes and   
attributions.
>
> At CMU I used Scribe that output to the  XGP  (Xerox Graphics Printer 
driven by a PDP-11/45).  This was  the first time  I
> used something where there were selectable  fonts (1976).  At  IBM 
*everything* was done with various  versions of SCRIPT.
> At this  point I can’t recall but I believe a  number of the IBM manuals 
were all done  in SCRIPT.
>
> I  then used Interleaf (a *high* end document  publishing/management  
system) and then FrameMaker (before Adobe
>  completely screwed  it up and finally killed it).
>
> I currently  use LaTex for  producing anything more complicated than an  
email.
>
>  TTFN - Guy

Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...

[Ed via cctalk]

I remember the  fort  articles I wrote  for the HP  chronicle  newspaper I 
did  with  editor 3000... it  was  handy as  where ever i was   I could log 
on and  work on  it.
 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2017 6:04:53 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

>>  Virtually ALL "FIRST"s in history had obscure predecessors.
>> Hence  the word "FIRST" should be avoided by any real historians with  
integrity.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote:
> I think  it all depends upon how you define “word processing”.  For 
> me I  absolutely detest things like MS Word.  Probably because I started  
> with markup languages.

Well, in THIS case, the claim was "the  first author to write a novel on a 
computer".
There are a LOT of items  subject to dispute.  Does "write a novel on a 
computer" include  manuscripts that were never submitted to publisher?
manuscripts rejected by  publisher?
manuscripts that never made it to print?
Manuscripts that  were printed, but had inadequate sales?
Published novels that weren't best  sellers?
include composing on computer, but then retyped by  secretary?
include composing offline, but typed on a computer by  secretary?
Is a dedicated word processor machine a computer?
Is a  terminal on a timesharing system "on a computer"?

So, I'm settling for  pointing out that "FIRST" usually ignores obscure, 
little known,  unsuccessful, predecessors.

Jerry did some great things to popularize  microcomputers, and bring them 
to the masses.
He was an EARLY user  (Electric Pencil), but certainly not "THE FIRST".

He wrote an  entertaining column.  It sometimes pissed us off.
He was loud and  opinionated.
He had easy access to all the latest stuff that we wanted -  one time, 
another columnist ridiculed him by talking about Seymour Cray  personally 
installing and troubleshooting a machine given to  Jerry.

We will miss him.


PS: I started with an editor on a  timeahring system, and then when 
microcomputers came out, used Electric  Pencil, then SCRIPSIT (My Honda 
book) and Wordstar.  But once I  settled in, I liked to use PC-Write for 
text editing (Bob Wallace and I  were buddies in high school), and used 
Xerox Ventura for formatting.   (XenoSoft manuals, etc.)
Now I use Word and Open Office Writer.
I did my  PhD written exams on Windows Write, and was the first person in 
the School  of Library and Information Studies to do them on a  computer.
("FIRST"!!)  I responded to faculty objections with, "Are  you going to 
grade me on my penmanship?"  Windows Write, being  included in the OS, 
seemed to answer some of the concerns about how to  "sanitize" a computer 
to avoid smuggling in pre-written  content.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fredci...@xenosoft.com


> The first one was one that I wrote  for the IBM 1130 so I could do a high 
school research paper (1974).  It  was written in
> Fortran (sorry long gone) and the “paper” was all on  punch cards and 
printed on a 1403 printer.  I did it mainly  because
> it was a pain to keep track of how to format for footnotes and  
attributions.
>
> At CMU I used Scribe that output to the XGP  (Xerox Graphics Printer 
driven by a PDP-11/45).  This was the first time  I
> used something where there were selectable fonts (1976).  At  IBM 
*everything* was done with various versions of SCRIPT.
> At this  point I can’t recall but I believe a number of the IBM manuals 
were all done  in SCRIPT.
>
> I then used Interleaf (a *high* end document  publishing/management 
system) and then FrameMaker (before Adobe
>  completely screwed it up and finally killed it).
>
> I currently  use LaTex for producing anything more complicated than an  
email.
>
> TTFN - Guy

Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...

[Ed via cctalk]

WPS-8 was awesome! I had  one of the desks  with the 8a in  the  back and 
rxo1 drives!
and the  daisy wheel printer  then over  time ended up with  three but  
alas  have none  now...
 
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2017 3:25:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


>  On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
 wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017,  couryho...@aol.com wrote:
>> then. who was. the   TRUE  first?
> 
> Michael Shrayer's girlfriend?
> And  what motivated him to write "Electric Pencil"?
> Jerry started using it  early on, but he was NOT the first user of it.
> 
> Before  Electric Pencil, what microcomputer word-processor programs 
preceded  that?   I seriously doubt that Michael Shrayer was the only one to  
write one.
> 
> What word-processor programs existed prior to  micros?

WPS-8, of course.  Wang had word processors in that same  era.  Then there 
is the MT/ST which I think is older still.  And if  you define it as 
"computer based text editor" then you'd go back at least to  TECO, which first 
appeared on the PDP-1, so that would be early  1960s.

paul

Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...

[Ed via cctalk]

WORD PROCESSING VIA PUNCH CARDS
 
Need  to insert the paragraph in a different place? 
Shift those  cards in the  deck 
 
 
Seriously though... anything helps  me... I have never written long  things 
in a linear manner...
when I was  a kid  I  would  write the stuff   down  then cut the 
paragraphs out and rearrange them and tape them to a new  piece of paper. 
 
Then I discovered  Girls!
 
How wonderfully  they  did  with shorthand  and  typing.
 
Ed#
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2017 2:24:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Sun,  10 Sep 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> then. who was.  the  TRUE  first?

Michael Shrayer's girlfriend?
And what  motivated him to write "Electric Pencil"?
Jerry started using it early on,  but he was NOT the first user of it.

Before Electric Pencil, what  microcomputer word-processor programs 
preceded that?   I  seriously doubt that Michael Shrayer was the only one 
to write  one.

What word-processor programs existed prior to micros?

If I  were to have had lower case capability with punch cards (I only had 
access  to common models of 026 and 029), I would have used punchcards for 
word  processing!  I did use them for such trivia as the single page list  
of names and phone numbers that I needed.
In 1968, I did  word-processing on a time-sharing system, while I was 
working at Goddard  Space Flight Center.  THAT, of course, was not 
PUBLISHED work.   My first PUBLISHED book was my Honda book, for which I 
used  TRS-80.
Microcomputers were NOT the first computers capable of  word-processing.
The word processing capability of late 1960s time sharing  systems WAS 
being used for manuscripts, often on the sly to keep the boss  from 
freaking out over the bills for use!

You are not likely to  find the "TRUE first", only "A first", or "some of 
the first".
Maybe  even the "FIRST to be a major best-seller".  THEN you have a  
researchable claim, without all of the unpublished manuscripts in  attics.
Jerry's [disputable] claim was to have been the first author to  write a
PUBLISHED BOOK on computer.

And, there were authors using  computers, for whom using the computer was 
NOT an important aspect to  them.  Some published books prior to his may 
have been written on  computer, without having made a big deal out of that!


Just like  Osborne was NOT "THE FIRST" portable microcomputer.  We had the  
Elcompco earlier (a few different single board machines with 5" monitor  
in a Halliburton attache case), and I know that we were not the  first.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fredci...@xenosoft.com

Re: RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Earl...

[Ed via cctalk]

then. who was. the  TRUE  first?
 
Ed#
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/10/2017 11:08:54 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

>  RIP  Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a  computer
FIRST??!?
By now, you should know better than to EVER use that  word in the presence 
of those who were there during the history - it's  comparable to saying 
that Steve Jobs invented the first computer, or that  billg invented the 
first software.

NO.
He was an early  adopter.
He was a major influence.
He was a friend.   (and  sometimes a pompous buffoon of a friend)

My booth staff at Comdex and  West Coast Computer Faire were under strict 
orders to get a beer into his  hand as soon as they saw him.  We got some 
free ink, and not just for  the cold beer.  He and Roberta [Pournelle] 
convinced "Bait" to  specialize in computers in her booth-bimbo career, 
surprised that she  didn't end up CEO of HP or the like.
(In my company, similar to Autodesk,  people chose their own job titles.  I 
was "Programmer".  My  assistant eventually changed from "Emperor of The 
Galaxy" to  "VP")


But, there were MANY obscure, mostly unpublished, manuscripts  among the 
VERY first uses of word processing.  Well before Jerry got  into computers.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred  ci...@xenosoft.com

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Ed via cctalk  wrote:
> RIP  Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on  a computer
>
>
> Early  adopter
> by Andrew   Liptak
>
>
>  
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/9/16279582/jerry-pournelle-science-fiction-a
>  uthor-writing-computers-obituary
>
>
>
> sad   Ed#
>

--
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XenoSoft  http://www.xenosoft.com
PO Box 1236   (510) 234-3397
Berkeley, CA  94701-1236

RIP Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer Early adopt

[Ed via cctalk]

 
 
 
RIP  Jerry Pournelle, the first author to write a novel on a computer


Early  adopter
by Andrew  Liptak
 
 
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/9/16279582/jerry-pournelle-science-fiction-a
uthor-writing-computers-obituary
 
 
 
sad  Ed#

Re: determing date on TI 99/4 computers.

[Ed via cctalk]

Thanks  to all that  provided  on list and off list   material on the  TI 
99/4 systems. 
It was very helpful.
 
Still looking for  some hi res  ad art work...
Thanks  Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 9/7/2017 5:24:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On 7  September 2017 at 04:07, Sam O'nella via  cctalk
 wrote:

> I don't know if it  was my newb brain/false memory but i thought I saw 
someone post a ti-99/2  prototype before

It was a  thing:

http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=267

Never  made it onto retail sale, though.

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Is there a stash or has anyone started scanning HONEYWELL PRINTOUT Newsletters?

[Ed via cctalk]

Is there a stash or has anyone started scanning  HONEYWELL PRINTOUT  
Newsletters?

These were Employee news letters   for  the  computer   section of   the 
big H.

We  have  come into a small group  and  want to see ifscanned already  .

We also  have the ones that  were  GE version of this announcing the  
change over  to Big  H.

??? are there any other piles of these out there   what  need to be scanend?

drop me a line  offlist   please.

Ed Sharpe Archivist for  SMECC 

Re: determing date on TI 99/4 computers.

[Ed via cctalk]

In a message dated 9/5/2017 11:27:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
p...@mactec.com.au writes:

Hi  Ed
Howdy!



Did you do any research on this at all?
 
Not a lot   found a few conflicting things
 



The beige one was later.
Thanks -



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_TI-99/4A


Bill  Cosby was their spokesperson. I can scan the advertising stuff that I 
have,  but I’m pretty sure that it is all online somewhere.

Good  hi  res scans  appreciated
 
Ed#..  Thanks !



> On 6 Sep 2017, at 4:00 pm, Ed via cctalk  <cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
> There is a white   or beige one
> 
> then there is the black and chrome   one?
> 
> which  first?  and  dates please?
>  
> This is unfamiliar territory  for me.
> but need to pay  homage to these
> in a museum display here.
> 
>  looking  for  good  hi res scans of
> adv. material etc.  for  display??
> 
> thanks  ed# _www.smecc.org_  (http://www.smecc.org) 

determing date on TI 99/4 computers.

[Ed via cctalk]

There is a white  or beige one
 
then there is the black and chrome  one?
 
which  first?  and  dates please?
 
This is unfamiliar territory  for me.
but need to pay homage to these
in a museum display here.
 
looking  for  good  hi res scans of
adv. material etc. for  display??
 
thanks  ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) 

Re: Odd Ebay auction showed up today...

[Ed via cctalk]

vintagecomputermuseum account  had a roll of paper  tape  for  $100+   
dollars one  time?
 
...Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/4/2017 11:47:22 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Mon,  Sep 4, 2017 at 12:07 PM, william degnan via  cctalk
 wrote:
> I noticed that he had  not been selling as much lately, I guess he ran out
> of the good stuff  and needs to close out the business, or raise new 
funds.
> His normal  list of Altairs and such appear to have all been sold.

As best we can  tell, he's moved all the good stuff to a new account,
vintagecomputerstore,  operating out of a location that's nearby but
not the same. This must be  the stuff that wasn't worth hauling to the
new warehouse.

--  
Robert

is it just me or does this apple candy dish seem over priced?

[Ed via cctalk]

_http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-HOYA-Crystal-20th-Anniversary-Macintosh-Spart
acus-Special-Bonus-Steve-Jobs/272583239883?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DP
L.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D46089%26meid%3Dd60d860ce2cd4ff5817b3066a4f7b10a%26pid
%3D15%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D192286567641&_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1
851_ 
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-HOYA-Crystal-20th-Anniversary-Macintosh-Spartacus-Special-Bonus-Steve-Jobs/272583239883?_trkparms=aid=555018=PL
.SIM=2=46089=d60d860ce2cd4ff5817b3066a4f7b10a=15=4
t=6=192286567641&_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1851) 
 
Crystal 20th Anniversary Macintosh Spartacus Special Bonus Steve  Jobs  
US  $3,299.99
272583239883
 
Thank  you for visiting my website. My name is Masa, I am the person in  
charge.
I  live in Osaka, Japan.
Osaka  is a very good town. The Shinkansen, JR, a municipal subway are at 
Osaka  Station, and the traffic is very convenient.
We  sell our products for the customers to be pleased.
We  would like the customers to know the good of Japan.
If  you are scared to order in Japan, please believe us.
Your  happiness is our happiness.
We  are waiting for the customers who likes Japan.

Speaking of Big H - - Is there already a repository of PRINTOUT Newsletters sc

[Ed via cctalk]

Speaking of  Big H - - Is there already a repository of PRINTOUT   
Honeywell Employee Newsletters  scanned already?
Thanks   for  Info  Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  

Re: honeywell h316 manuals

[Ed via cctalk]

happy to  pay  shipping  PLUS A  CASH BONUS   DEPENDING ON  WHICH  MANUALS 
AND CONDITION to  SMECCmuseum  
in Arizona
 
COURYHOUSE/SMECC
ATTN -  ED SHARPE ARCHVIIT
5802 W PALMAIRE AVE
GLENDALE AZ 85301
 
Thanks  for  consideration
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/31/2017 6:45:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

just  found some in a house im poked my head in to look at  buying.  anthow
would anyone want these for the cost of shipping from northern  manitoba?

Re: PDP 8e green / lab version rack Ebay

[Ed via cctalk]

In a message dated 8/27/2017 3:59:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On  8/26/2017 11:00 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
>  On 8/26/2017 6:52 PM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote:
>> LOL those  last 15 seconds were a deusey!
> Let's hope the buyer isn't a movie prop  fool.  At least they paid if 
> they are.
> 
> Looks  like two serious bids, the 1600 dollar one trumped in the end 
> frenzy,  and a final big > 4700 bucks that took it.  Wonder what that bid 
 
> was?
> 
> thanks
> Jim

Remember the days  "free for pickup." :-)
 
I still have  things  appear on the  museum  porch  gratis..
helps  balance out the  stuff I  over pay  for.
 
nothing as   cool as a lab  8 in recent  years  though!
Ed#
 
 

need adv. material; and promo for Cobalt CUBE and the 1 u server too!

[Ed via cctalk]

need  adv. material; and promo  for Cobalt CUBE and the  1  u  server  too!
 
Have these 2  units want to make a nice display with them...  need  to 
dress the background etc...
 
thanks  in advance - 
 
Ed#

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Ed via cctalk]

PVM-9044QM uses a sony NP-1  battery  as  I remember   for  field  use.
we have some of these in master control that are  mounted  2 per  19 inch  
rack hanger.
we have smaller  ones that are  3 and 4 up also  for  monitoring feeds.
 
http://www.acuson.it/schedepdf/vx6KTWsw8S_PVM-9042QM(brch).pdf
is a good  ref on these monitors.
 
They re  very  fine devices but  yet   long  compared to the  'cube  type'  
that  look  more   vintage on the  apple 2  or??
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  \
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2017 9:16:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Wed,  Aug 23, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Mark J. Blair via  cctalk
 wrote:

> Now, you say you  want a color monitor. I think that similar color CCTV 
monitors
> are  even more commonly available. I haven't been paying close attention 
to  them
> since I've been looking for a specific monochrome monitor, but I  think 
I've seen
> various color ones bouncing off my brain's spam  filters. I think that 
one of the
> small, boxy, color CRT CCTV monitors  might look quite nice with your IIc.

Sony made an excellent, small  colour monitor, the PVM-9044QM. It's quite 
light
and portable. The reason I  like it so much is that it will take just
about any TV
rate video --  composite colour video (PAL, NTSC, NTSC-4.43, SECAM), S-video
(on any of  those standards), so-called 'component video' (Y and 2 colour
difference  signals), and RGB. At US or European scan rates. It can run off
the mains  (100-240V) or 12V DC (or I believe internal batteries, but I 
don't
have  them).

It's a Trinitron CRT (not surprisingly) and the unit is well  made and not 
too
hard to work on. You can get the service manual on the  web, but be sitting
down when you look at the schematics, it's not  simple.

The only problem is finding  one

-tony



>
> --
> Mark J. Blair,  NF6X 
>  http://www.nf6x.net/
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Ed via cctalk]

but  you have a VINTAGE computer  so use a VINTAGE  monitor  
yes a flat screen  works  well.
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2017 9:49:06 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Does it  have to be a CRT ? There a quite a few small LCD displays that  
take
NTSC

-pete

On Aug 22, 2017 3:51 PM, "John Ames via  cctech" 
wrote:

> I picked up an  Apple IIc this past weekend and I want to set it up
> with a small  monitor on my desk at work. Unfortunately, I seem to have
> gotten rid  of the small composite monitor that I know I had at one
> point, so I  don't have a good spare monitor that isn't a bit too large
> for my  workspace. I've been poking around looking at some options, but
> I'm  still waiting to find a decent one in my area, and if I'm going to

>  order online, I'd rather do it with people I can trust to actually
>  test the dang thing before selling it and pack it properly.
>
> In  short, I'm looking for a small NTSC CRT monitor or portable TV in
> the  7-12" range. I'm not stuck on aesthetics, but it would be nice to
> have  something that would sit nicely atop the IIc. I wouldn't mind an
>  actual Apple monitor, but I don't want to pay APPLE MAC IPHONE STEVE
>  JOBS L@@K prices; otherwise, I'd be happy with any suitable composite
>  video monitor, color or monochrome. If you happen to be within
>  reasonable driving distance of Folsom, CA, I'd be glad to pick it up
>  and save the trouble of shipping. Anybody got one to  spare?
>
>

Re: Wanted: small composite CRT monitor

[Ed via cctalk]

yes stacked back in the back area   behid  other  tonnage  there are  lots  
of these square  cabinet  monitors  both  color  and B/Wall  various  
sized
many  names   sony Panasonic jvc  and  more. Wish  I had  these  when I had 
 my apple... they were expensive,  especially  the  color cube  broadcast 
monitors.
 
I  could never bring myself  to ever toss any of them. 
 
the  stuff I  used  with the  apple  2   I  had  were old b/w  conrac 
monitors  with tubes in  them!
 
I had other friends that had  converted TV's   so the TV  would accept   
straight composite  video thus  giving  a  sharper  image than stuff  run 
though modulators.
 
I need  to  match   some of these up  with   some early video switchers  
for remote trucks  for a  display  and  a  few to save  for computers but at 
some point   we  will probably cut  20 or 30 them loose or  so.  ed#
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2017 4:23:13 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I  suggest that you keep your eyes open for a small CRT-based CCTV monitor. 
 Possible sources include eBay, Craigslist, Goodwill, etc., as well as 
folks on  lists like this one.

I've been looking for an old Sanyo VM-4209 or  VM-4509 monochrome monitor 
for a while, to put on my SOL-20. One of those  would be Just Right for the 
SOL-20, as well as for an early Apple II series  machine. The few I've seen 
have been in poor shape, yet listed for RARE L@@K  STEVE JOBS prices. I 
recently found a younger monitor via Goodwill. It's about  a decade too new to 
be 
Just Right for my SOL-20, but it at least has similar  boxy styling to the 
monitor I'd really like. Newer monitors like that are a  lot less rare, and 
still tend to have more reasonable prices. Something like  that might suit 
your needs well.

Now, you say you want a color monitor.  I think that similar color CCTV 
monitors are even more commonly available. I  haven't been paying close 
attention to them since I've been looking for a  specific monochrome monitor, 
but I 
think I've seen various color ones bouncing  off my brain's spam filters. I 
think that one of the small, boxy, color CRT  CCTV monitors might look 
quite nice with your IIc.

-- 
Mark J.  Blair, NF6X  
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: halt and catch fire show 2 hr tonite?

[Ed via cctalk]

always  fun to participle in a  production Neat Congrats!  Bill!
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 8/19/2017 1:53:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
billdeg...@gmail.com writes:



On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Ed Sharpe via cctalk  
 wrote:

halt  and catch fire show 2 hr tonite?
the story  continues..
ed#

Sent from AOL Mobile  Mail






not that it matters much, but if you look on the tables  and such during 
the show, the magazines you see have cover overlays I scanned  for them.
b

Re: This Is Such An Exciting Listing!

[Ed via cctalk]

I was  going to   do the make an offer  for   $1
alas... no USA shipping it  says!
 
Sorry, this item cannot be posted to United States. 
You  are unable to bid on or buy this item because:
*   The  seller has specified that this item cannot be sent to 
addresses in United  States
 
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 8/18/2017 7:25:05 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

And the bidding has  gone wild!

Dwight



From:  cctalk  on behalf of Rob Jarratt via  
cctalk 
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:13:56  PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: This Is  Such An Exciting  Listing!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182707649701

Re: Vintage equipment rack?

[Ed via cctalk]

Anders - 
 
Your recycler or a scrap yard is a great  place to  look. 
you can try surplus electronic  store also, but unless they  get  burdened  
 with a lot of them  your scrappers at the  end of  the food chain  will be 
the most reasonable as a general rule.
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/18/2017 9:29:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Hey  all,

Does anyone know of a source around NYC (or within a few hours  driving
distance) for a vintage or otherwise interesting, affordable  equipment
rack? I have a space in my living room where I'd like to place an  old
Systron Donner frequency counter, a Remex paper tape reader and  a
reproduction PDP-8/e switch panel (thanks Rod). Aside from those items,  the
rest of the rack would serve as a bookshelf.

I've seen some  racks on eBay (including a Norelco computing stack) but most
are too far  away or expensive (>$200). I have't yet checked scrap yards or
e-waste  recyclers.

Any ideas would be appreciated!

--
Anders  Nelson

+1 (517)  775-6129

www.erogear.com

Re: eBay: Kickplate for H960

[Ed via cctalk]

Yep!  You are correct... Even 35  years  ago   they  would show up missing  
once in a while.
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 8/17/2017 8:08:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

> Every H960 and H967 should have one. I think They came  standard.

When new, yes and when was the last time you bought a new  H960? :-)

Several of the ones I found came without kickplates; I  figured others 
might be
in the same boat.

Noel

PING! Stephen Jones the engineer!

[Ed via cctalk]

PING!  Stephen Jones the engineer!
thx  ed#

When shipped from Honeywell, was the Multics documentation in the traditional

[Ed via cctalk]

When  shipped from Honeywell, was the Multics documentation in the 
traditional red  Honeywell binders? Or? Thanks Ed#

Re: PDP 8e green / lab version rack Ebay

[Ed via cctalk]

What a thing of beauty!
It kind of  breaks up the entire orange motif thing in the   row...!
I always heard of these but never en counted one here in  AZ
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 8/17/2017 3:23:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


>  On Thu, 17 Aug 2017, william degnan via cctalk wrote:
>>  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Equipment-Corporation-DEC-PDP-lab8-e-Vintage-1970s-computer/15297190
>>  
>> I hope someone my most-often-traversed groups (CCTech or VCFed)  gets 
this!
> 
> I'd love to keep 'an eye' on it, but I'm not sure  I'd ever be able to 
afford it - my wife is wonderfully tolerant of my  collecting tonnes of 
equipment but I suspect the price of this will go quite  high.
> 
> Which is a pity, because it's literally an hour away  from me - rarely 
does such cool stuff show up so close.
> 
>  Corey? :)
> 
> - JP

*Waves*  Yeah, of course it has to  show up in Iowa ; ) It'll likely go 
beyond my budget, too. Plus I just dragged  home a 700 pound piece of tab card 
equipment so my project list is getting a  little "full"!  -C=

Re: Looking for info on The Digital Group Systems and Aeon Pulse Systems

[Ed via cctalk]

http://bytecollector.com/the_digital_group.htm
 
above is site  with great info!
 
thanks  ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/13/2017 7:03:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

I  recently went to a hamfest and scored 2 complete systems  From what i  
can
tell its an S-100 based system.

The Digital Group with Aeon 8  inch drives

And a Pulse By Aeon with 8 inch drives.

Heres pics  of the unit
http://imgur.com/a/G7mrn

It came with a ton of  disks,  and docs

Also trying to find out what these keyboards  are

http://imgur.com/a/y8ymG

Thanks for the help in  advance

nassa tapes destroyed but the family left to dispose of the computer?

[Ed via cctalk]

wonder where it  ended up?
 
 
Ed#
 
http://www.pennlive.com/life/2017/08/nasa_tapes_pittsburgh.html

Bellmac 8 Bell system microprocessor and singe board computer sale/trade WECo

[Ed via cctalk]

 
Bellmac  8 Bell system microprocessor and singe board computer  sale/trade
western electric.
 
drop note of interest and offers off list  
thanks Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org/) 

Nextgen processor and mother board historic proc and board sale/trade

[Ed via cctalk]

Nextgen processor and mother board historic proc and board sale/trade
 
dropnote of interest and offers off list  
thanks Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) 

Re: PDP-8s that was EBAY.. what is the other rack? Thought TTY inf in main box?

[Ed via cctalk]

In a message dated 8/8/2017 9:35:14 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
el...@pico-systems.com writes:

On  08/08/2017 10:51 PM, Ed via cctalk wrote:
> PDP-8s that was EBAY.. what  is  the other rack? Thought TTY inf. in  main
>  box?
>   
>  
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEC-PDP-8-S-Minicomputer-Complete-with-original-Tele
>  type-Extremely-rare-/282485298792?hash=item41c56f9668:g:JBkAAOSwCU1Y4nfa
>
> We have an 8S in warehouse and will need to drag out and start  learning
> about it Clean it up and  get it on  display  -
> We have   CLASSIC 8  with plexi S/N #18on  display already.
>
8 **S**  Arrgh!  The worst  computer DEC ever made!  It was a 
real speed demon, when compared to  computers with vacuum 
tubes and drum memory!

Jon
 
8s was 20 microsecond  cycle  time  compared toclassic  8 at  1.5 
microsecond? ( pulling  from ancient memories  in my head... correct em if  
wrong...)