Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-07-05 Thread Ed via cctalk
I have an interest in this too can I use ot to load focal to our pdp-8? links? details? Thanks Ed# In a message dated 7/5/2017 9:51:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Hello Phillip, This is hastily prepared but I am interested in purchasing a OMNI

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-07-05 Thread Barry via cctalk
Hello Phillip, This is hastily prepared but I am interested in purchasing a OMNI to USB interface. Is the list still open? Barry McMahon Sent from my iPad

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-20 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
Thanks, Peter! Here it's way not as bad as on the Linux Kernel mailing list... I once came up with some nice additions to the ftdi usb serial driver. Reaction was something like "Do it right! Now!" The "right" was only a question how the thing should be controlled from the system's perspective

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-20 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Feb 20, 2017, at 06:24, Holm Tiffe wrote: > > Why is that nice? This way the pcb company has your "sourcecode". > Besides of that where is the real difference to going to > "File->Plot", Select "Gerber" and push the "Plot" Button? > > That can't really be to difficult... In every PCB tool

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-20 Thread Peter Coghlan
Philipp wrote: I am so sorry that I use Eagle! Please let us stop this discussion. It's just a tool. And KiCAD is another tool. I currently use Eagle and that's it. I'm with Philipp on this. Every time someone posts to the list to offer some piece of hardware they are developing, our resp

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-20 Thread Holm Tiffe
Paul Koning wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > > > ... > >> From: Guy Sotomayor Jr > > > >> In terms of community supplied libraries, Eagle has those too and I've > >> found that by and large they are junk (it's easier/quicker for me to > >> create a part on my o

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-20 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 02/20/2017 02:30 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: As I wrote two minutes ago: Perhaps I've gone too far by seeing KiCAD too close to the Arduino thing. I know at least one clever guy using KiCAD as well. Thanks for the flowers :-) Haha, I thought of someone outside of cctalk...! But.. you're welcome

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-20 Thread Holm Tiffe
Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > > > I don't have a problem with your arduino related point of view, > :) > > > but I'm > > sure you never heard from the push and shove router that kicad implements? > I admit: you're right. > > > (take a look at youtube!) > > If you have used it once, egale would loo

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-20 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
I am so sorry that I use Eagle! Please let us stop this discussion. It's just a tool. And KiCAD is another tool. I currently use Eagle and that's it.

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/19/2017 04:28 PM, Paul Koning wrote: On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: ... and I only grudgingly use Fusion 360 because there's no viable 3D CAD/CAM competition that I know of in its very low price range. A while ago I went looking for 3D CAD again, after giving up on Tur

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Feb 19, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: >> ... and I only grudgingly use Fusion 360 because there's no viable 3D >> CAD/CAM competition that I know of in its very low price range. > > A while ago I went looking for 3D CAD aga

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 19, 2017, at 6:36 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > > ... > Wen I first encountered eagle it was running under DOS. No windows. Don't > remember if there was a schematic editor. And not much to click. Yes, it had schematic editor, board editor, and the same half-assed autorouter it stil

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 19, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > ... and I only grudgingly use Fusion 360 because there's no viable 3D CAD/CAM > competition that I know of in its very low price range. A while ago I went looking for 3D CAD again, after giving up on TurboCAD in disgust. Found FreeCAD (htt

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Mark J. Blair
> On Feb 19, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote: > Nevertheless, I don't think that I want to push you to use KiCad, > but you _really_ should change your attitude about it. This isn't really > playing stuff for kids anymore.. I previously paid about $1,500 for the top tier of Eagle for use at h

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Holm Tiffe
Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > > > > > For sure there are many things still todo for the KiCad people, but this > > nose high attitude "thats vor arduino people only" is the wrong thing > > for sure.. (german saying: Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall) > Haha, you probably got me wrong. I never even tried ou

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 17.02.2017 23:47, Charles Dickman wrote: What I am wishing for are Omnibus and Unibus adapters to an FPGA. I also thought about that. As a lab tool I'm totally fine with plugging anything into my 8 or 11. This could be done much easier for the Unibus than for Omnibus! In fact I first

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 18.02.2017 04:07, Jay Jaeger wrote: On 2/17/2017 10:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: On 02/17/2017 01:02 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: First of all THANKS. I hope this works out. ?!? The thanks was for your effort. The hope that it works out was to say that I hope that you decide to make som

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
For sure there are many things still todo for the KiCad people, but this nose high attitude "thats vor arduino people only" is the wrong thing for sure.. (german saying: Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall) Haha, you probably got me wrong. I never even tried out KiCAD - because I had no idea why I shou

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 19.02.2017 12:15, Holm Tiffe wrote: In my opinion the learning step from using a fancy Arduino library to understanding/modifying/writing another is too big. In BASIC it started with little things like peek and poke. There was no hidden C++ :-) Agreed. I'm used some of the "shields" for a

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
I don't have a problem with your arduino related point of view, :) but I'm sure you never heard from the push and shove router that kicad implements? I admit: you're right. (take a look at youtube!) If you have used it once, egale would look a lot like copy-and-paste-maker-arduino-blinky-b

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Holm Tiffe
Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > > > On 17.02.2017 17:21, Kyle Owen wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann > > > KiCad has no affiliation to Arduino; in fact, it's being heavily maintained > > by CERN. > But wherever I (!) look, in my part of the universe, a strongly biased

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 17.02.2017 17:55, Jon Elson wrote: On 02/17/2017 10:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: The CPLD you had on the last board, XC9572XL is a bit long in the tooth, perhaps? Would you expect to use that one again, or a newer chip? I will use it again. It was already old when I decided to use it.

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-19 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 17.02.2017 17:21, Kyle Owen wrote: On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann KiCad has no affiliation to Arduino; in fact, it's being heavily maintained by CERN. But wherever I (!) look, in my part of the universe, a strongly biased and personal view, I see only those Arduino

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Jay Jaeger
On 2/17/2017 10:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > > > On 02/17/2017 01:02 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> First of all THANKS. I hope this works out. > ?!? > The thanks was for your effort. The hope that it works out was to say that I hope that you decide to make some more and sell them, which seems

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/17/2017 01:35 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Jon Elson > I'm most concerned about the reliability of the design rules check > ... > If these checks miss errors, I REALLY don't want to use the package. I'm not quite sure what's covered here, but I have used the check

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Eric Smith
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > I don't remember precisely, but I think you can export libraries from > Eagle in some sort of text form. That was possible with Eagle 5 (and probably earlier), but is no longer necessary since Eagle 6, as the native file formats (schematic,

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Charles Dickman
Philipp, On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > On 02/17/2017 01:02 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: >> In short, ways that folks could take your basic board and make it >> possible to do other things with it could increase the value of the >> board enormously. I tend to agree with J

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Holm Tiffe
Alan Hightower wrote: > > > Being a long time Eagle user, I'll chime in too. Most responses from > KiCAD advocates miss the mark on the fundamental issue. Sure the > features are converging and I have no doubt KiCAD will catch-up. It has > already surpassed Eagle in many feature areas. But peop

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Kyle Owen
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > I don't remember precisely, but I think you can export libraries from > Eagle in some sort of text form. If that's true, then it would be SMOP to > write a KiCAD library importer. The key question is whether the library > semantics are com

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > ... >> From: Guy Sotomayor Jr > >> In terms of community supplied libraries, Eagle has those too and I've >> found that by and large they are junk (it's easier/quicker for me to >> create a part on my own >> ... While I haven't seen a lot o

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Jon Elson Dave Bridgham and I have been using KiCAD for our stuff, and we're pretty happy with it. Here are a few bits: this is just data, I'm not trying to convince anyone to use it - the points about 'complex tools one is already very used to' are very good ones. > I'm most con

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Alan Hightower
Being a long time Eagle user, I'll chime in too. Most responses from KiCAD advocates miss the mark on the fundamental issue. Sure the features are converging and I have no doubt KiCAD will catch-up. It has already surpassed Eagle in many feature areas. But people who routinely spend dozens of ho

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Guy Sotomayor Jr
> On Feb 17, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote: > > Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > > [..] >> >>> You might consider KiCAD as an alternative to Eagle. It works pretty >>> darned well. >> Why should I? If you look at the board's size you probably see that it >> cannot be made using the free versi

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Holm Tiffe
Philipp Hachtmann wrote: [..] > > > You might consider KiCAD as an alternative to Eagle. It works pretty > > darned well. > Why should I? If you look at the board's size you probably see that it > cannot be made using the free version. I own a paid Eagle 7 license. Why > should I throw that aw

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/17/2017 10:21 AM, Kyle Owen wrote: KiCad has no affiliation to Arduino; in fact, it's being heavily maintained by CERN. I don't suppose you've had a need to being an Eagle guy, but have you tried out KiCad before? With the licensing model Eagle has just moved to, alternatives like KiCad su

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/17/2017 10:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: The CPLD you had on the last board, XC9572XL is a bit long in the tooth, perhaps? Would you expect to use that one again, or a newer chip? I will use it again. It was already old when I decided to use it. It has 5V tolerant inputs. It se

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Kyle Owen
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > > Why should I? If you look at the board's size you probably see that it > cannot be made using the free version. I own a paid Eagle 7 license. Why > should I throw that away? Started to use Eagle as a child. Have my own > libraries and

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-17 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 02/17/2017 01:02 AM, Jay Jaeger wrote: First of all THANKS. I hope this works out. ?!? It looks like you have a JTAG connector on there - please keep that. Of course - it's needed for initial programming. The CPLD you had on the last board, XC9572XL is a bit long in the tooth, perhaps?

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-16 Thread Jay Jaeger
First of all THANKS. I hope this works out. Some thoughts: It looks like you have a JTAG connector on there - please keep that. The CPLD you had on the last board, XC9572XL is a bit long in the tooth, perhaps? Would you expect to use that one again, or a newer chip? An area with place to moun

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-16 Thread Tony Duell
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Paul Koning wrote: > > The LA36 was an excellent machine. Unlike the LA30, with its atrocious > keyboard > and a print mechanism that jammed about every 20th carriage return. I have to disagree with that. The LA36 is horrible. There is a major design misfeature.

Re: Amateur Radio use of Teleprinters (was Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!)

2017-02-16 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:30 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > I'm told that Teletype models 15, 19, and 28 were very common here. I've > mostly seen models 15 and 28. I've only once seen a mdoel 32 (ITA2 > five-level version of model 33). I'm helping restore a Model 19 with a friend (he's a WW II re-enact

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-16 Thread Paul Koning
> On Feb 16, 2017, at 12:40 AM, Eric Smith wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Tony Duell wrote: > >> Over here, the only Teletypes we generally see are Model 33s. Even the >> Model >> 35 is very uncommon, > > > In my experience, it's the same in the US: the model 33 has always been

Re: Amateur Radio use of Teleprinters (was Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!)

2017-02-16 Thread Eric Smith
I wrote: > The FCC order authorizing Amateur Radio use of ASCII went into effect in > March of 1980, but at the moment I can't track down a copy of the actual > order. > Found it. "Deregulation of Part 97 of the Rules Regarding Emissions Authorized in the Amateur Service", Third Report and Order

Amateur Radio use of Teleprinters (was Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!)

2017-02-16 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:29 PM, Tony Duell wrote: > I think at one time radio amateurs (at least over here) had to use 5 bit > ITA2 > machines for RTTY. Same here. > It may even be to this day that RTTY implies that, and > that ASCII is classed as 'data'. The FCC order authorizing Amateur

RE: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread dave . g4ugm
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell > Sent: 16 February 2017 06:29 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and > rea

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Tony Duell
>> and 5 bit stuff almost unheard-of. > > > In the US, common for hams, not common for computers. Maybe they were > common for computers in the early 1960s. I think at one time radio amateurs (at least over here) had to use 5 bit ITA2 machines for RTTY. It may even be to this day that RTTY implies

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Tony Duell wrote: > Over here, the only Teletypes we generally see are Model 33s. Even the > Model > 35 is very uncommon, In my experience, it's the same in the US: the model 33 has always been MUCH more common than the 35. Every model 35 I actually saw in serv

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread COURYHOUSE
They are really neat looking! Phillipp! http://www.radista.info/tt_units/teleprinter_T-68d.jpg Yes I like the colors! what is the weight! Anyone heading to western US with large suitcase soon? (grin!) Another one our favorite sortta cute teletypes we like here at the SMECC museu

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread COURYHOUSE
Always good to review what the terms of each is. Newcomersmay not understand completely. Same with photo usage and video and music usage - there are various terms of usage for these media types. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 2/15/2

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread ben
On 2/15/2017 7:16 AM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: there are one of the Siemens teletypes that print tape and has a dial on the front from Germany I have seen very compact nice unit used for telex I would love to have. shipping on teletypes from overseas is expensive though. If one

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
Hi, On 02/15/2017 03:16 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: there are one of the Siemens teletypes that print tape and has a dial on the front from Germany I have seen very compact nice unit used for telex I would love to have. It's the t68d. Exists in very different versions. With paper

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
Hi, On 02/15/2017 04:24 PM, Alan Hightower wrote: Perhaps I was unclear. It is not a direct port. It was inspired by your board during a road-trip to VCF-E to make an easier-to-assemble design. Ah, ok. There is obviously no FT245 support. And just about any implementation of logic responding

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Alan Hightower
Perhaps I was unclear. It is not a direct port. It was inspired by your board during a road-trip to VCF-E to make an easier-to-assemble design. There is obviously no FT245 support. And just about any implementation of logic responding as a KL8E would look very similar. The code is available unde

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread E. Groenenberg
On Wed, February 15, 2017 15:12, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > >>> I could swap something for a nice creed machine. >> >> I suspect they're more common in the UK than elsewhere. They were used >> by the Post Office >> for the Telex service, for example. > > I know. Here everything is full with Siemen

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 02/15/2017 03:40 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: I have not heard of 40 mil loop here on ttys... generally 20 mil or 60 mil. - At least what I have encountered. Is the 40 mil. standard in Europe? I have not heard about 60mA - at least not in the Telex network. All mechanical 5 ste

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread COURYHOUSE
I have not heard of 40 mil loop here on ttys... generally 20 mil or 60 mil. - At least what I have encountered. Is the 40 mil. standard in Europe? Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 2/14/2017 2:24:15 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, hac...@hachti.d

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Tony Duell
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: >> I suspect they're more common in the UK than elsewhere. They were used >> by the Post Office >> for the Telex service, for example. > > > I know. Here everything is full with Siemens and Lorenz. > Je aussi voudrais avoir une machine de

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread COURYHOUSE
there are one of the Siemens teletypes that print tape and has a dial on the front from Germany I have seen very compact nice unit used for telex I would love to have. shipping on teletypes from overseas is expensive though. If one was local ad inn really nice shape we wou

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
I could swap something for a nice creed machine. I suspect they're more common in the UK than elsewhere. They were used by the Post Office for the Telex service, for example. I know. Here everything is full with Siemens and Lorenz. Je aussi voudrais avoir une machine de Sagem...! are wonde

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 02/15/2017 12:45 AM, Alan Hightower wrote: Not sure if you are aware, but FYI - Malcolm MacLeod with some involvement from Kyle Owen, Jack Rubin, and others ported your code to a ATF1508 CPLD with a minimal test board. Oh, ah! I looked into their github and the README.md. There is a copy of

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Peter Corlett
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:02:55AM -0500, Ethan Dicks wrote: [...] > This is a peripheral. USB OTG doesn't apply, and USB-A would be > "inappropriate". Pretend this is an inkjet printer. What plug would you > expect to find on that? Choose your own facile answer: a) None, printers have *sockets*;

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-15 Thread Pontus Pihlgren
eral Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and > react! > > On 2/14/2017 6:27 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > > FWIW, Mini-B connectors are on their way out, nor USB OTG compliant. > > Though agreed that

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Tony Duell
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > I! > > WANT! > > A! > > CREED!! > > Completely missing on my side.

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Alan Hightower
Not sure if you are aware, but FYI - Malcolm MacLeod with some involvement from Kyle Owen, Jack Rubin, and others ported your code to a ATF1508 CPLD with a minimal test board. I believe the longer term plan was to make a full featured community project from it, but it's stalled a bit atm. You ca

RE: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon
From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of W2HX [w...@w2hx.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 4:19 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 14.02.2017 23:44, Ethan Dicks wrote: I have an older JTAG adapter that has, IIRC, a 2x5 header plug If you get it working with Xilinx SW, then it's good. You'll need an adapter...

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: >> What does it take to post-program the CPLD? > > The board has a programming header. So after soldering it's no problem. Perfect. > You need a JTAG programming adapter that can be used by the Xilinx tools > (impact). > I use this one: >

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 14.02.2017 22:36, W2HX wrote: Two or three of my machines can be seen working in the movie Operation Valkyrie with Tom Cruise :-) Interesting! One of my TTYs was in The Good Shepherd Wow :-)

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
What does it take to post-program the CPLD? SMT package aside, if it's possible to install some flying wires going off to a device programmer, which programmers would be able to load the CPLD in the first place? The board has a programming header. So after soldering it's no problem. You need

RE: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread W2HX
>Two or three of my machines can be seen working in the movie Operation >Valkyrie with Tom Cruise :-) Interesting! One of my TTYs was in The Good Shepherd

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: > But I don't know yet how I will preprogram the CPLD. What does it take to post-program the CPLD? SMT package aside, if it's possible to install some flying wires going off to a device programmer, which programmers would be able to load

RE: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread W2HX
>The 45 baud machines do NOT run on 20mA. They usually run on 40mA :-) 20mA is >the domain of model 28, 32, 33 etc. 14's, 15's 19's, 28s are generally 60mA 120VDC signaling. My 28s have speed select for 60 WPM (45.45 baud), 75 WPM (56.9 Baud) and 100 WPM (74.2 baud). 100 WPM is very fast. It i

Current Loops and TTYs (was Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!)

2017-02-14 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: >>> PS: Add a 45.5 baud serail port. Control everything with a 5 level >>> TTY. :) >> >> Dirty casual. 20mA current loop or nothing. > > The 45 baud machines do NOT run on 20mA. They usually run on 40mA :-) The M19 is 60mA at 100VDC... t

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 14.02.2017 20:27, Tony Duell wrote: Personally I _do_ care about lead free solder. I won't have it. I don't want it, too. The fact that part of this board comes pre-assembled with that horrible muck means I won't even consider buying one. You will get a fresh board, no problem! ENIG go

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
I! WANT! A! CREED!! Completely missing on my side. And.. I always mix up numbers. I have (several of each) Lorenz lo15 (m

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 14.02.2017 22:18, geneb wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, ben wrote: On 2/14/2017 6:27 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: FWIW, Mini-B connectors are on their way out, nor USB OTG compliant. Though agreed that they are flimsy... Why not just a type A or something? Easy, big, and robust. Why not mini

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
fun on the one hand but officially run by my small business on the other hand. The CPLD and board design are not secret... Kind regards Philipp :-) From: Philipp Hachtmann Sent: Feb 14, 2017 11:54 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts

RE: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread W2HX
stuff won't be very useful :). Eugene W2HX -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tony Duell Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 2:57 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB inte

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread geneb
On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, ben wrote: On 2/14/2017 6:27 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: FWIW, Mini-B connectors are on their way out, nor USB OTG compliant. Though agreed that they are flimsy... Why not just a type A or something? Easy, big, and robust. Why not mini and regular? Ben. PS: Add a 45.5 bau

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 14.02.2017 20:09, Ethan Dicks wrote: I'm restoring a Model 19 teletype with a friend, so I happen to _need_ a 45.5 baud serial port that spits 5-level Baudot... A model 19? I have some model 28 ASR and KSR (ASCII), and of course 33. And some Lorenz Lo15 which are license built model 15s.

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Tony Duell > Personally I _do_ care about lead free solder. I won't have it. The > fact that part of this board comes pre-assembled with that horrible > muck means I won't even consider buying one. Gee, Tony, why don't you tell us what you _really_ think! :-) Noel

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Tony Duell
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 7:50 PM, W2HX wrote: > Don't laugh > > http://w2hx.com/x/New%20Shack/0224151752b.jpg Why should I laugh? They look beautiful. Incidentally, in those pictures of my PDP8/e that I posted the link to last week you can see a the corners of a couple of teleprinters in one of t

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Fred Cisin
Personally, i don't care about lead free solder. I am quite happy with lead. Is there a rohs requirement for small production, non profit, prototyping project? On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Tony Duell wrote: Personally I _do_ care about lead free solder. I won't have it. The fact that part of this board

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread W2HX
Don't laugh http://w2hx.com/x/New%20Shack/0224151752b.jpg From: ben Sent: Feb 14, 2017 1:54 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react! On 2/14/2017 6:27 AM, Alf

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Tony Duell
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:13 PM, W2HX wrote: > Personally, i don't care about lead free solder. I am quite happy with lead. > Is > there a rohs requirement for small production, non profit, prototyping > project? Personally I _do_ care about lead free solder. I won't have it. The fact that part

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Fred Cisin
This is a peripheral. USB OTG doesn't apply, and USB-A would be "inappropriate". Pretend this is an inkjet printer. What plug would you expect to find on that? On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, Chris Elmquist wrote: A Centronics-style 36-pin Amphenol. oh, sorry. ("blue-ribbon") A DB25 Howzbout a DE-9

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:53 PM, ben wrote: > PS: Add a 45.5 baud serail port. Control everything with a 5 level TTY. :) I'm restoring a Model 19 teletype with a friend, so I happen to _need_ a 45.5 baud serial port that spits 5-level Baudot... -ethan

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread ben
On 2/14/2017 6:27 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: FWIW, Mini-B connectors are on their way out, nor USB OTG compliant. Though agreed that they are flimsy... Why not just a type A or something? Easy, big, and robust. Why not mini and regular? Ben. PS: Add a 45.5 baud serail port. Control everything

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Chris Elmquist
On Tuesday (02/14/2017 at 10:02AM -0500), Ethan Dicks wrote: > > This is a peripheral. USB OTG doesn't apply, and USB-A would be > "inappropriate". Pretend this is an inkjet printer. What plug would > you expect to find on that? A Centronics-style 36-pin Amphenol. oh, sorry. -- Chris Elmq

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread W2HX
Topic Posts Subject: Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react! Hi, > I'm interested. How much did a board from the previous batch cost? Was different. I first made a poll and sold a batch of boards in my online shop for a certain price. It was somewhere about 10

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: >> This is a peripheral. USB OTG doesn't apply, and USB-A would be >> "inappropriate". Pretend this is an inkjet printer. What plug would >> you expect to find on that? > > Haha :-) > It is not an inkject printer! Indeed, but as far as

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
What's wrong with USB-B? Too big. Does not properly fit into the DEC board spacing. The rest is just perfect. I consider both Mini and Micro as not mechanically reliable, i.e. I fear that the cable will unplug itself or the mechanical strain will break the leads in the plug (I have too many

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
Hi, I'm interested. How much did a board from the previous batch cost? Was different. I first made a poll and sold a batch of boards in my online shop for a certain price. It was somewhere about 105 EUR without VAT. After I received the payment, I made the boards and delivered them (I announce

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
This is a peripheral. USB OTG doesn't apply, and USB-A would be "inappropriate". Pretend this is an inkjet printer. What plug would you expect to find on that? Haha :-) It is not an inkject printer! But I actually have written a (very limited) HPGL interpreter which controls a Calcomp 565/5

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
This is a peripheral. USB OTG doesn't apply, and USB-A would be "inappropriate". Pretend this is an inkjet printer. What plug would you expect to find on that? A type B plug.

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread W2HX
That is a very nice and robust part you linked to. Looks perfect From: Ethan Dicks Sent: Feb 14, 2017 10:03 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react! On Tue, Feb 14

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > FWIW, Mini-B connectors are on their way out, nor USB OTG compliant. > Though agreed that they are flimsy... Why not just a type A or > something? Easy, big, and robust. This is a peripheral. USB OTG doesn't apply, and USB-A would be "in

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Alfred M. Szmidt
FWIW, Mini-B connectors are on their way out, nor USB OTG compliant. Though agreed that they are flimsy... Why not just a type A or something? Easy, big, and robust.

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Philipp Hachtmann
On 02/13/2017 05:34 PM, W2HX wrote: Thanks for doing this project and I have signed up! Thanks! The list already looks very good. I'll probably make 50 boards this time! Curious why mini usb and why the exclamation points regarding "NOT micro?" Micro is so common. I don't like micro. That's

Re: New batch of pdp8 OMNIBUS to USB interface! Please Read and react!

2017-02-14 Thread Christian Corti
On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, Philipp Hachtmann wrote: - the USB connector will be replaced by a mini (NOT micro!!) USB connector. What's wrong with USB-B? I consider both Mini and Micro as not mechanically reliable, i.e. I fear that the cable will unplug itself or the mechanical strain will break the

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