Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-21 Thread Adam Kupczyk
On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Sage Weil wrote: > On Wed, 16 Dec 2015, Adam Kupczyk wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: >> > On 2015-12-14T14:17:08, Radoslaw Zarzynski wrote: >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > great to see this revived. >> > >> > However, I have come

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-16 Thread Sage Weil
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015, Adam Kupczyk wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > > On 2015-12-14T14:17:08, Radoslaw Zarzynski wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > great to see this revived. > > > > However, I have come to see some concerns with handling the encryption > > within

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-16 Thread Adam Kupczyk
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > On 2015-12-14T14:17:08, Radoslaw Zarzynski wrote: > > Hi all, > > great to see this revived. > > However, I have come to see some concerns with handling the encryption > within Ceph itself. > > The key part to any such approach is formu

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-16 Thread Radoslaw Zarzynski
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Gregory Farnum wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Adam Kupczyk wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Gregory Farnum wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski >>> wrote: >>> > Hello Folks, >>> > >>> > I would like to pu

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-16 Thread Adam Kupczyk
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Gregory Farnum wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Adam Kupczyk wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Gregory Farnum wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski >>> wrote: >>> > Hello Folks, >>> > >>> > I would like to pu

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Andrew Bartlett
On Mon, 2015-12-14 at 14:32 -0800, Gregory Farnum wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Martin Millnert > wrote: > > On Mon, 2015-12-14 at 12:28 -0800, Gregory Farnum wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski > > > > > > In typical case ciphertext data transferred from

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Matt Benjamin
Hi, Thanks for this detailed response. - Original Message - > From: "Lars Marowsky-Bree" > To: "Ceph Development" > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 9:23:04 AM > Subject: Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph > > It's not yet perfe

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Gregory Farnum
On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Adam Kupczyk wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Gregory Farnum wrote: >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski >> wrote: >> > Hello Folks, >> > >> > I would like to publish a proposal regarding improvements to Ceph >> > data-at-rest en

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Radoslaw Zarzynski
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: > On Mon, 2015-12-14 at 14:17 +0100, Radoslaw Zarzynski wrote: >> Hello Folks, >> >> I would like to publish a proposal regarding improvements to Ceph >> data-at-rest encryption mechanism. Adam Kupczyk and I worked >> on that in last weeks.

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Sage Weil
I agree with Lars's concerns: the main problems with the current dm-crypt approach are that there isn't any key management integration yet and the root volume and swap aren't encrypted. Those are easy to solve (and I'm hoping we'll be able to address them in time for Jewel). On the other hand,

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Lars Marowsky-Bree
On 2015-12-14T14:17:08, Radoslaw Zarzynski wrote: Hi all, great to see this revived. However, I have come to see some concerns with handling the encryption within Ceph itself. The key part to any such approach is formulating the threat scenario. For the use cases we have seen, the data-at-rest

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Adam Kupczyk
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: > On Mon, 2015-12-14 at 12:28 -0800, Gregory Farnum wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski > >> > In typical case ciphertext data transferred from OSD to OSD can be >> > used without change. This is when both OSDs hav

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-15 Thread Adam Kupczyk
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Gregory Farnum wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski > wrote: > > Hello Folks, > > > > I would like to publish a proposal regarding improvements to Ceph > > data-at-rest encryption mechanism. Adam Kupczyk and I worked > > on that in last w

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-14 Thread Gregory Farnum
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Martin Millnert wrote: > On Mon, 2015-12-14 at 12:28 -0800, Gregory Farnum wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski > >> > In typical case ciphertext data transferred from OSD to OSD can be >> > used without change. This is when both OSDs have

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-14 Thread Martin Millnert
On Mon, 2015-12-14 at 12:28 -0800, Gregory Farnum wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski > > In typical case ciphertext data transferred from OSD to OSD can be > > used without change. This is when both OSDs have the same crypto key > > version for given placement group. In r

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-14 Thread Martin Millnert
On Mon, 2015-12-14 at 14:17 +0100, Radoslaw Zarzynski wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I would like to publish a proposal regarding improvements to Ceph > data-at-rest encryption mechanism. Adam Kupczyk and I worked > on that in last weeks. > > Initially we considered several architectural approaches an

Re: Improving Data-At-Rest encryption in Ceph

2015-12-14 Thread Gregory Farnum
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Radoslaw Zarzynski wrote: > Hello Folks, > > I would like to publish a proposal regarding improvements to Ceph > data-at-rest encryption mechanism. Adam Kupczyk and I worked > on that in last weeks. > > Initially we considered several architectural approaches and m