Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-07-12 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Many thanks,


I'll have a look at Section 6 and get back to you if I've any further queries 
or issues. I wasn't sure how much had changed since 1.5 and consequently 
whether you're previous comments were still valid.


Cheers, Roy.


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Fellowship using this e-mail address.



From: CF-metadata  on behalf of Jonathan 
Gregory 
Sent: 12 July 2018 17:48
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy

Ah, OK. Thanks. Having thought about that, I went to look at ticket 99, and
found that I'd said the same thing five years ago in comment 1. As you see,
I'm bit-reproducible.

I propose that we should tidy the CF document by promoting 6.1.1 on "Geographic
regions" to 6.3 (i.e. remove it from 6.1), and adding yours as 6.4. Then 6.1
and 6.2 will describe mechanisms in CF, and 6.3 and 6.4 applications of these
mechanisms.

Does that seem OK?

Jonathan

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> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:04:07 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." 
> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" ,
>    "j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" 
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>
>
> The extra text that I am preparing in the Trac ticket for addition to the CF 
> Conventions. I was hoping your familiarity with these could recommend a 
> suitable section for amendment.
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
> I have now retired but will continue to be active through an Emeritus 
> Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>
>
> 
> From: CF-metadata  on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory 
> Sent: 12 July 2018 16:36
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Roy
>
> That's good news. Thanks for your patience. I like this new proposal, but I'm
> not sure what you're asking me. Which extra text?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jonathan
>
> - Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K."  -
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:54:57 +
> > From: "Lowry, Roy K." 
> > To: Jonathan Gregory , "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu"
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> >
> > Dear Jonathan,
> >
> >
> > Getting back to this now I've had some feedback. 'organisms_in_taxon' is 
> > fine and a remodelled proposal on this basis is given below. I'll try and 
> > get to your comments on the trac proposal in the coming week. To save me a 
> > lot of reading would you have a recommendation on where I should look to 
> > add the extra text?
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Roy.
> >
> > biological_taxon_name
> > biological_taxon_lsid
> > number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> > mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> > mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> >
> >
> > biological_taxon_name
> >
> > A plaintext human-readable label, usually a Latin binomial such as Calanus 
> > finmarchicus, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name or 
> > other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to 
> > a unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
> >
> > dimensionless
> >
> > biological_taxon_lsid
> >
> > The Life Science Identifier (LSID) is a standard URI for a biological 
> > taxon. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an organism or 
> > a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a 
> > hierarchical taxonomy. The LSID is a URN with the syntax 
> > ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> > copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
> > ‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
> > urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be 
> > converted to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.
> >
> > dimensionless
> >
> > number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
> >
> > Number concentration means the count of an entity per unit volume and is 
> > used in the construction ‘number_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a 
> > material cons

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-07-12 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Roy

Ah, OK. Thanks. Having thought about that, I went to look at ticket 99, and
found that I'd said the same thing five years ago in comment 1. As you see,
I'm bit-reproducible.

I propose that we should tidy the CF document by promoting 6.1.1 on "Geographic
regions" to 6.3 (i.e. remove it from 6.1), and adding yours as 6.4. Then 6.1
and 6.2 will describe mechanisms in CF, and 6.3 and 6.4 applications of these
mechanisms.

Does that seem OK?

Jonathan

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> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:04:07 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." 
> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" ,
>   "j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" 
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Jonathan,
> 
> 
> The extra text that I am preparing in the Trac ticket for addition to the CF 
> Conventions. I was hoping your familiarity with these could recommend a 
> suitable section for amendment.
> 
> 
> Cheers, Roy.
> 
> 
> I have now retired but will continue to be active through an Emeritus 
> Fellowship using this e-mail address.
> 
> 
> 
> From: CF-metadata  on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory 
> Sent: 12 July 2018 16:36
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Roy
> 
> That's good news. Thanks for your patience. I like this new proposal, but I'm
> not sure what you're asking me. Which extra text?
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> - Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K."  -
> 
> > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:54:57 +
> > From: "Lowry, Roy K." 
> > To: Jonathan Gregory , "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu"
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> >
> > Dear Jonathan,
> >
> >
> > Getting back to this now I've had some feedback. 'organisms_in_taxon' is 
> > fine and a remodelled proposal on this basis is given below. I'll try and 
> > get to your comments on the trac proposal in the coming week. To save me a 
> > lot of reading would you have a recommendation on where I should look to 
> > add the extra text?
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Roy.
> >
> > biological_taxon_name
> > biological_taxon_lsid
> > number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> > mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> > mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> >
> >
> > biological_taxon_name
> >
> > A plaintext human-readable label, usually a Latin binomial such as Calanus 
> > finmarchicus, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name or 
> > other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to 
> > a unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
> >
> > dimensionless
> >
> > biological_taxon_lsid
> >
> > The Life Science Identifier (LSID) is a standard URI for a biological 
> > taxon. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an organism or 
> > a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a 
> > hierarchical taxonomy. The LSID is a URN with the syntax 
> > ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> > copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
> > ‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
> > urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be 
> > converted to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.
> >
> > dimensionless
> >
> > number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
> >
> > Number concentration means the count of an entity per unit volume and is 
> > used in the construction ‘number_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a 
> > material constituent of Y.. Biological taxon is a name or other label 
> > identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of 
> > classification in a hierarchical taxonomy. Number concentration of biota is 
> > also referred to as abundance.
> >
> > m-3
> >
> > mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> >
> > Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the 
> > construction ‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, whe

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-07-12 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Dear Jonathan,


The extra text that I am preparing in the Trac ticket for addition to the CF 
Conventions. I was hoping your familiarity with these could recommend a 
suitable section for amendment.


Cheers, Roy.


I have now retired but will continue to be active through an Emeritus 
Fellowship using this e-mail address.



From: CF-metadata  on behalf of Jonathan 
Gregory 
Sent: 12 July 2018 16:36
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy

That's good news. Thanks for your patience. I like this new proposal, but I'm
not sure what you're asking me. Which extra text?

Best wishes

Jonathan

- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K."  -

> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:54:57 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." 
> To: Jonathan Gregory , "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu"
>    
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>
>
> Getting back to this now I've had some feedback. 'organisms_in_taxon' is fine 
> and a remodelled proposal on this basis is given below. I'll try and get to 
> your comments on the trac proposal in the coming week. To save me a lot of 
> reading would you have a recommendation on where I should look to add the 
> extra text?
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
> biological_taxon_name
> biological_taxon_lsid
> number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
>
>
> biological_taxon_name
>
> A plaintext human-readable label, usually a Latin binomial such as Calanus 
> finmarchicus, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name or 
> other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a 
> unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
>
> dimensionless
>
> biological_taxon_lsid
>
> The Life Science Identifier (LSID) is a standard URI for a biological taxon. 
> Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an organism or a group 
> of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a hierarchical 
> taxonomy. The LSID is a URN with the syntax 
> ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
> ‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
> urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be 
> converted to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.
>
> dimensionless
>
> number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
>
> Number concentration means the count of an entity per unit volume and is used 
> in the construction ‘number_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material 
> constituent of Y.. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
> organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in 
> a hierarchical taxonomy. Number concentration of biota is also referred to as 
> abundance.
>
> m-3
>
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
>
> Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the construction 
> ‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material constituent of Y. A 
> chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as 
> 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
> 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the 
> construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It 
> means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely 
> with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical 
> constituents of A. Mass concentration of biota expressed as carbon is also 
> referred to as carbon biomass. Biological taxon is a name or other label 
> identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of 
> classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
>
>  kg m-3
>
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
>
> Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the construction 
> ‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material constituent of Y. A 
> chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term 
> such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The 
> phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
> construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemica

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-07-12 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Roy

That's good news. Thanks for your patience. I like this new proposal, but I'm
not sure what you're asking me. Which extra text?

Best wishes

Jonathan

- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K."  -

> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:54:57 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." 
> To: Jonathan Gregory , "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu"
>       
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Jonathan,
> 
> 
> Getting back to this now I've had some feedback. 'organisms_in_taxon' is fine 
> and a remodelled proposal on this basis is given below. I'll try and get to 
> your comments on the trac proposal in the coming week. To save me a lot of 
> reading would you have a recommendation on where I should look to add the 
> extra text?
> 
> 
> Cheers, Roy.
> 
> biological_taxon_name
> biological_taxon_lsid
> number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> 
> 
> biological_taxon_name
> 
> A plaintext human-readable label, usually a Latin binomial such as Calanus 
> finmarchicus, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name or 
> other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a 
> unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
> 
> dimensionless
> 
> biological_taxon_lsid
> 
> The Life Science Identifier (LSID) is a standard URI for a biological taxon. 
> Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an organism or a group 
> of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a hierarchical 
> taxonomy. The LSID is a URN with the syntax 
> ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
> ‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
> urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be 
> converted to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.
> 
> dimensionless
> 
> number_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_in_sea_water
> 
> Number concentration means the count of an entity per unit volume and is used 
> in the construction ‘number_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material 
> constituent of Y.. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
> organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in 
> a hierarchical taxonomy. Number concentration of biota is also referred to as 
> abundance.
> 
> m-3
> 
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> 
> Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the construction 
> ‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material constituent of Y. A 
> chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as 
> 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
> 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the 
> construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It 
> means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely 
> with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical 
> constituents of A. Mass concentration of biota expressed as carbon is also 
> referred to as carbon biomass. Biological taxon is a name or other label 
> identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of 
> classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
> 
>  kg m-3
> 
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> 
> Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the construction 
> ‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material constituent of Y. A 
> chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term 
> such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The 
> phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
> construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It 
> means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely 
> with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical 
> constituents of A. Chlorophyll means all naturally occurring pigments of the 
> chlorophyll group. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
> organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in 
> a hierarchical taxonomy.
> 
>  kg m-3
> 
>  mass_concentrati

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-07-12 Thread Lowry, Roy K.

mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water

Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called 
‘molarity’, and is used in the construction ‘mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, 
where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical species denoted by X may be 
described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the 
construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It 
means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely 
with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical 
constituents of A. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a 
hierarchical taxonomy.

mol m-3

mole_concentration_of_organisms_in_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water

Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called 
‘molarity’, and is used in the construction ‘mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, 
where X is a material constituent of Y. A chemical species denoted by X may be 
described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the 
construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It 
means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely 
with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical 
constituents of A. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a 
hierarchical taxonomy.

mol m-3



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From: CF-metadata  on behalf of Jonathan 
Gregory 
Sent: 21 May 2018 16:37
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy and Martin

I think taxonomic_category might be a little better than taxon, but it still
seems obscure to me. Can you see something wrong with organisms_in_taxon (or
_from_ or _belonging_to_) for instance? It is the organisms we mean.

Best wishes

Jonathan

- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K."  -

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 08:02:05 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." 
> To: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC ,
>"cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" ,
>"j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" 
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>
>
> Getting back to Trac 99. I prefer Martin's suggestion here. Are you happy 
> with that?
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an 
> Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>
>
> 
> From: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC 
> Sent: 02 May 2018 08:47
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk; Lowry, Roy K.
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Roy, Jonathan,
>
>
> I understand the cause of Jonathan's concern: wikipedia suggests a broader 
> interpretation of "taxon" which would be consistent with using the word to 
> refer to the organisms from a biological taxon, but the Encyclopedia 
> Britannica has a narrower and perhaps more scientifically precise definition 
> in which "taxon" refers to the name, not the organisms matching the name 
> (https://www.britannica.com/science/taxon ). The article uses the phrase 
> "taxonomic category" which could be used as an alternative to Jonathan's 
> suggestion:
>
> mass_concentration_of_taxonomic_category_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
>
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
>
> 
> From: CF-metadata  on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory 
> Sent: 01 May 2018 17:08
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Roy
>
> I agree that the confusion is unlikely. Maybe I shouldn't have given that
> example, because it's distracting. My discomfort is just that "taxon" doesn't
> mean "organisms" but "name of type of organisms" e.g. in
>   mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> you can substitute your proposed definition of taxon, to get
>   
> mass_concentration_of_name_identifying_an_organism_as_belonging_to_a_unit_of_classification_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> I think you mean
>   
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_from_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> That's a bit longer, but feels more comfortable to me.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> ---

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-05-21 Thread Lowry, Roy K.

Dear Jonathan,


I'll go back to the biological experts and see what they think. They were 
recommending 'biological entity', but I thought that might cause issues because 
it would bring into scope morphological classifications and bits of organisms 
such as 'cod liver' for which there is no (to my knowledge) governance in place 
like there is with taxon.


Cheers, Roy.


I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an Emeritus 
Fellowship using this e-mail address.



From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
Gregory <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
Sent: 21 May 2018 16:37
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy and Martin

I think taxonomic_category might be a little better than taxon, but it still
seems obscure to me. Can you see something wrong with organisms_in_taxon (or
_from_ or _belonging_to_) for instance? It is the organisms we mean.

Best wishes

Jonathan

- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 08:02:05 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> To: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC <martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk>,
>"cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>,
>    "j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Jonathan,
>
>
> Getting back to Trac 99. I prefer Martin's suggestion here. Are you happy 
> with that?
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an 
> Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
>
>
> 
> From: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC <martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk>
> Sent: 02 May 2018 08:47
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk; Lowry, Roy K.
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Roy, Jonathan,
>
>
> I understand the cause of Jonathan's concern: wikipedia suggests a broader 
> interpretation of "taxon" which would be consistent with using the word to 
> refer to the organisms from a biological taxon, but the Encyclopedia 
> Britannica has a narrower and perhaps more scientifically precise definition 
> in which "taxon" refers to the name, not the organisms matching the name 
> (https://www.britannica.com/science/taxon ). The article uses the phrase 
> "taxonomic category" which could be used as an alternative to Jonathan's 
> suggestion:
>
> mass_concentration_of_taxonomic_category_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
>
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
>
> ____________
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> Sent: 01 May 2018 17:08
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Roy
>
> I agree that the confusion is unlikely. Maybe I shouldn't have given that
> example, because it's distracting. My discomfort is just that "taxon" doesn't
> mean "organisms" but "name of type of organisms" e.g. in
>   mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> you can substitute your proposed definition of taxon, to get
>   
> mass_concentration_of_name_identifying_an_organism_as_belonging_to_a_unit_of_classification_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> I think you mean
>   
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_from_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> That's a bit longer, but feels more comfortable to me.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> - Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -
>
> > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:55:26 +
> > From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> > To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>,
> >"j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata]  Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> >
> > Dear Jonathon,
> >
> >
> > I realised that I hadn't replied to this. Think we're all agreed on 
> > biological_taxon_lsid.
> >
> >
> > I can't think of an alternative to cover your second comment, but feel that 
> > 'number_concentration_of_biological_taxon' with 'concentration' and taxon 
> > in the singular is clearly different from 'number_of_biological_taxa', or 
> > more likely 'count_of_biological_taxa' and so feel th

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-05-21 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Roy and Martin

I think taxonomic_category might be a little better than taxon, but it still
seems obscure to me. Can you see something wrong with organisms_in_taxon (or
_from_ or _belonging_to_) for instance? It is the organisms we mean.

Best wishes

Jonathan

- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 08:02:05 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> To: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC <martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk>,
>   "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>,
>   "j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Jonathan,
> 
> 
> Getting back to Trac 99. I prefer Martin's suggestion here. Are you happy 
> with that?
> 
> 
> Cheers, Roy.
> 
> 
> I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an 
> Emeritus Fellowship using this e-mail address.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC <martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk>
> Sent: 02 May 2018 08:47
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk; Lowry, Roy K.
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Roy, Jonathan,
> 
> 
> I understand the cause of Jonathan's concern: wikipedia suggests a broader 
> interpretation of "taxon" which would be consistent with using the word to 
> refer to the organisms from a biological taxon, but the Encyclopedia 
> Britannica has a narrower and perhaps more scientifically precise definition 
> in which "taxon" refers to the name, not the organisms matching the name 
> (https://www.britannica.com/science/taxon ). The article uses the phrase 
> "taxonomic category" which could be used as an alternative to Jonathan's 
> suggestion:
> 
> mass_concentration_of_taxonomic_category_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> 
> 
> regards,
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> ________________
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> Sent: 01 May 2018 17:08
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Roy
> 
> I agree that the confusion is unlikely. Maybe I shouldn't have given that
> example, because it's distracting. My discomfort is just that "taxon" doesn't
> mean "organisms" but "name of type of organisms" e.g. in
>   mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> you can substitute your proposed definition of taxon, to get
>   
> mass_concentration_of_name_identifying_an_organism_as_belonging_to_a_unit_of_classification_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> I think you mean
>   
> mass_concentration_of_organisms_from_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> That's a bit longer, but feels more comfortable to me.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> - Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -
> 
> > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:55:26 +
> > From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> > To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>,
> >"j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata]  Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> >
> > Dear Jonathon,
> >
> >
> > I realised that I hadn't replied to this. Think we're all agreed on 
> > biological_taxon_lsid.
> >
> >
> > I can't think of an alternative to cover your second comment, but feel that 
> > 'number_concentration_of_biological_taxon' with 'concentration' and taxon 
> > in the singular is clearly different from 'number_of_biological_taxa', or 
> > more likely 'count_of_biological_taxa' and so feel that there is not a 
> > significant risk of confusion.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Roy.
> >
> >
> > Please note that I partially retired on 01/11/2015. I am now only working 
> > 7.5 hours a week and can only guarantee e-mail response on Wednesdays, my 
> > day in the office. All vocabulary queries should be sent to 
> > enquir...@bodc.ac.uk. Please also use this e-mail if your requirement is 
> > urgent.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
> > Gregory <jonathan.greg...@ncas.ac.uk>
> > Sent: 16 April 2018 19:19
> > To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> &g

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-05-21 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Dear Jonathan,


Getting back to Trac 99. I prefer Martin's suggestion here. Are you happy with 
that?


Cheers, Roy.


I am retiring on 31/05/2018 but will continue to be active through an Emeritus 
Fellowship using this e-mail address.



From: Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC <martin.juc...@stfc.ac.uk>
Sent: 02 May 2018 08:47
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu; j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk; Lowry, Roy K.
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy, Jonathan,


I understand the cause of Jonathan's concern: wikipedia suggests a broader 
interpretation of "taxon" which would be consistent with using the word to 
refer to the organisms from a biological taxon, but the Encyclopedia Britannica 
has a narrower and perhaps more scientifically precise definition in which 
"taxon" refers to the name, not the organisms matching the name 
(https://www.britannica.com/science/taxon ). The article uses the phrase 
"taxonomic category" which could be used as an alternative to Jonathan's 
suggestion:

mass_concentration_of_taxonomic_category_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water


regards,

Martin



From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
Gregory <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
Sent: 01 May 2018 17:08
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy

I agree that the confusion is unlikely. Maybe I shouldn't have given that
example, because it's distracting. My discomfort is just that "taxon" doesn't
mean "organisms" but "name of type of organisms" e.g. in
  mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
you can substitute your proposed definition of taxon, to get
  
mass_concentration_of_name_identifying_an_organism_as_belonging_to_a_unit_of_classification_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
I think you mean
  
mass_concentration_of_organisms_from_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
That's a bit longer, but feels more comfortable to me.

Best wishes

Jonathan


- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -

> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:55:26 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>,
>"j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata]  Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Jonathon,
>
>
> I realised that I hadn't replied to this. Think we're all agreed on 
> biological_taxon_lsid.
>
>
> I can't think of an alternative to cover your second comment, but feel that 
> 'number_concentration_of_biological_taxon' with 'concentration' and taxon in 
> the singular is clearly different from 'number_of_biological_taxa', or more 
> likely 'count_of_biological_taxa' and so feel that there is not a significant 
> risk of confusion.
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
> Please note that I partially retired on 01/11/2015. I am now only working 7.5 
> hours a week and can only guarantee e-mail response on Wednesdays, my day in 
> the office. All vocabulary queries should be sent to enquir...@bodc.ac.uk. 
> Please also use this e-mail if your requirement is urgent.
>
>
> ____________
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory <jonathan.greg...@ncas.ac.uk>
> Sent: 16 April 2018 19:19
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Roy
>
> Thanks for this. It looks sensible and well-constructed to me. I have two
> comments.
>
> * In response to your question, I think biological_taxon_lsid is better, since
> you propose that's what we use. The more generic version would be suitable if
> we offered a choice about which sort of ID to use, but it would present a
> difficulty if you wanted to provide more than one kind of ID; this would need
> more than one coord var, and it would be helpful to give them different
> standard names.
>
> * In the concentration names, I think "biological taxon" means "organisms
> of biological taxon", doesn't it? I suggest it would be better to spell this
> out in some way in the standard name. For example,
>   number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
> might (surprisingly) be interpreted as meaning how many species there are
> per unit volume.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> - Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -
>
> > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:02:59 +
> > From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> >

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-05-02 Thread Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC
Dear Roy, Jonathan,


I understand the cause of Jonathan's concern: wikipedia suggests a broader 
interpretation of "taxon" which would be consistent with using the word to 
refer to the organisms from a biological taxon, but the Encyclopedia Britannica 
has a narrower and perhaps more scientifically precise definition in which 
"taxon" refers to the name, not the organisms matching the name 
(https://www.britannica.com/science/taxon ). The article uses the phrase 
"taxonomic category" which could be used as an alternative to Jonathan's 
suggestion:

mass_concentration_of_taxonomic_category_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water


regards,

Martin



From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
Gregory <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
Sent: 01 May 2018 17:08
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy

I agree that the confusion is unlikely. Maybe I shouldn't have given that
example, because it's distracting. My discomfort is just that "taxon" doesn't
mean "organisms" but "name of type of organisms" e.g. in
  mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
you can substitute your proposed definition of taxon, to get
  
mass_concentration_of_name_identifying_an_organism_as_belonging_to_a_unit_of_classification_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
I think you mean
  
mass_concentration_of_organisms_from_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
That's a bit longer, but feels more comfortable to me.

Best wishes

Jonathan


- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -

> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:55:26 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>,
>    "j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata]  Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Jonathon,
>
>
> I realised that I hadn't replied to this. Think we're all agreed on 
> biological_taxon_lsid.
>
>
> I can't think of an alternative to cover your second comment, but feel that 
> 'number_concentration_of_biological_taxon' with 'concentration' and taxon in 
> the singular is clearly different from 'number_of_biological_taxa', or more 
> likely 'count_of_biological_taxa' and so feel that there is not a significant 
> risk of confusion.
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
> Please note that I partially retired on 01/11/2015. I am now only working 7.5 
> hours a week and can only guarantee e-mail response on Wednesdays, my day in 
> the office. All vocabulary queries should be sent to enquir...@bodc.ac.uk. 
> Please also use this e-mail if your requirement is urgent.
>
>
> ________
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory <jonathan.greg...@ncas.ac.uk>
> Sent: 16 April 2018 19:19
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear Roy
>
> Thanks for this. It looks sensible and well-constructed to me. I have two
> comments.
>
> * In response to your question, I think biological_taxon_lsid is better, since
> you propose that's what we use. The more generic version would be suitable if
> we offered a choice about which sort of ID to use, but it would present a
> difficulty if you wanted to provide more than one kind of ID; this would need
> more than one coord var, and it would be helpful to give them different
> standard names.
>
> * In the concentration names, I think "biological taxon" means "organisms
> of biological taxon", doesn't it? I suggest it would be better to spell this
> out in some way in the standard name. For example,
>   number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
> might (surprisingly) be interpreted as meaning how many species there are
> per unit volume.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> - Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -
>
> > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:02:59 +
> > From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> > To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>
> > Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> > Here is an initial batch of 8 Standard Names to support the CF taxon 
> > dimension. Two are dimension labels whilst the other six are measurements 
> > to which the taxon is a co-ordinate. Five of these are to cover Daniel's 
> > pro

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-05-01 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Roy

I agree that the confusion is unlikely. Maybe I shouldn't have given that
example, because it's distracting. My discomfort is just that "taxon" doesn't
mean "organisms" but "name of type of organisms" e.g. in
  mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
you can substitute your proposed definition of taxon, to get
  
mass_concentration_of_name_identifying_an_organism_as_belonging_to_a_unit_of_classification_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
I think you mean
  
mass_concentration_of_organisms_from_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
That's a bit longer, but feels more comfortable to me.

Best wishes

Jonathan


- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -

> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2018 11:55:26 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>,
>   "j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk" <j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata]  Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Jonathon,
> 
> 
> I realised that I hadn't replied to this. Think we're all agreed on 
> biological_taxon_lsid.
> 
> 
> I can't think of an alternative to cover your second comment, but feel that 
> 'number_concentration_of_biological_taxon' with 'concentration' and taxon in 
> the singular is clearly different from 'number_of_biological_taxa', or more 
> likely 'count_of_biological_taxa' and so feel that there is not a significant 
> risk of confusion.
> 
> 
> Cheers, Roy.
> 
> 
> Please note that I partially retired on 01/11/2015. I am now only working 7.5 
> hours a week and can only guarantee e-mail response on Wednesdays, my day in 
> the office. All vocabulary queries should be sent to enquir...@bodc.ac.uk. 
> Please also use this e-mail if your requirement is urgent.
> 
> 
> 
> From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
> Gregory <jonathan.greg...@ncas.ac.uk>
> Sent: 16 April 2018 19:19
> To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
> Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear Roy
> 
> Thanks for this. It looks sensible and well-constructed to me. I have two
> comments.
> 
> * In response to your question, I think biological_taxon_lsid is better, since
> you propose that's what we use. The more generic version would be suitable if
> we offered a choice about which sort of ID to use, but it would present a
> difficulty if you wanted to provide more than one kind of ID; this would need
> more than one coord var, and it would be helpful to give them different
> standard names.
> 
> * In the concentration names, I think "biological taxon" means "organisms
> of biological taxon", doesn't it? I suggest it would be better to spell this
> out in some way in the standard name. For example,
>   number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
> might (surprisingly) be interpreted as meaning how many species there are
> per unit volume.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> - Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -
> 
> > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:02:59 +
> > From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> > To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>
> > Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> > Here is an initial batch of 8 Standard Names to support the CF taxon 
> > dimension. Two are dimension labels whilst the other six are measurements 
> > to which the taxon is a co-ordinate. Five of these are to cover Daniel's 
> > proposal that prompted the resurrection of Ticket 99.
> >
> >
> > I've presented a summary list followed by a full list with units and 
> > definitions.  I have one uncertainty in my mind (biological_taxon_label 
> > versus biological_taxon_lsid) where I would really appreciate input.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Roy.
> >
> > biological_taxon_name
> > biological_taxon_identifier or biological_taxon_lsid – any preferences
> > number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> > mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> > mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> > mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> >
> >
> &

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-04-27 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Dear Jonathon,


I realised that I hadn't replied to this. Think we're all agreed on 
biological_taxon_lsid.


I can't think of an alternative to cover your second comment, but feel that 
'number_concentration_of_biological_taxon' with 'concentration' and taxon in 
the singular is clearly different from 'number_of_biological_taxa', or more 
likely 'count_of_biological_taxa' and so feel that there is not a significant 
risk of confusion.


Cheers, Roy.


Please note that I partially retired on 01/11/2015. I am now only working 7.5 
hours a week and can only guarantee e-mail response on Wednesdays, my day in 
the office. All vocabulary queries should be sent to enquir...@bodc.ac.uk. 
Please also use this e-mail if your requirement is urgent.



From: CF-metadata <cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu> on behalf of Jonathan 
Gregory <jonathan.greg...@ncas.ac.uk>
Sent: 16 April 2018 19:19
To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu
Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

Dear Roy

Thanks for this. It looks sensible and well-constructed to me. I have two
comments.

* In response to your question, I think biological_taxon_lsid is better, since
you propose that's what we use. The more generic version would be suitable if
we offered a choice about which sort of ID to use, but it would present a
difficulty if you wanted to provide more than one kind of ID; this would need
more than one coord var, and it would be helpful to give them different
standard names.

* In the concentration names, I think "biological taxon" means "organisms
of biological taxon", doesn't it? I suggest it would be better to spell this
out in some way in the standard name. For example,
  number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
might (surprisingly) be interpreted as meaning how many species there are
per unit volume.

Best wishes

Jonathan


- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -

> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:02:59 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>
> Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
>
> Dear All,
>
>
> Here is an initial batch of 8 Standard Names to support the CF taxon 
> dimension. Two are dimension labels whilst the other six are measurements to 
> which the taxon is a co-ordinate. Five of these are to cover Daniel's 
> proposal that prompted the resurrection of Ticket 99.
>
>
> I've presented a summary list followed by a full list with units and 
> definitions.  I have one uncertainty in my mind (biological_taxon_label 
> versus biological_taxon_lsid) where I would really appreciate input.
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
> biological_taxon_name
> biological_taxon_identifier or biological_taxon_lsid – any preferences
> number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
>
>
> biological_taxon_name
>
> A plaintext human-readable label, usually a Latin binomial such as Calanus 
> finmarchicus, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name or 
> other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a 
> unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
>
> dimensionless
>
> biological_taxon_identifier
>
> An opaque label, most usefully a URI that resolves to an authoritative 
> information source, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name 
> or other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging 
> to a unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy. The identifier 
> adopted for CF is the Life Science Identifier (LSID), a URN with the syntax 
> ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
> ‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
> urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be 
> converted to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.
>
> dimensionless
>
> OR
>
> biological_taxon_lsid
>
> The Life Science Identifier (LSID) is a standard URI for a biological taxon. 
> Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an organism or a group 
> of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a hierarchical 
> taxonomy. The LSID is a URN with the syntax 
> ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> copepod Caloca

[CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-04-16 Thread Jonathan Gregory
Dear Roy

Thanks for this. It looks sensible and well-constructed to me. I have two
comments.

* In response to your question, I think biological_taxon_lsid is better, since
you propose that's what we use. The more generic version would be suitable if
we offered a choice about which sort of ID to use, but it would present a
difficulty if you wanted to provide more than one kind of ID; this would need
more than one coord var, and it would be helpful to give them different
standard names.

* In the concentration names, I think "biological taxon" means "organisms
of biological taxon", doesn't it? I suggest it would be better to spell this
out in some way in the standard name. For example,
  number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
might (surprisingly) be interpreted as meaning how many species there are
per unit volume.

Best wishes

Jonathan


- Forwarded message from "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk> -

> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:02:59 +
> From: "Lowry, Roy K." <r...@bodc.ac.uk>
> To: "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" <cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu>
> Subject: [CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> 
> Here is an initial batch of 8 Standard Names to support the CF taxon 
> dimension. Two are dimension labels whilst the other six are measurements to 
> which the taxon is a co-ordinate. Five of these are to cover Daniel's 
> proposal that prompted the resurrection of Ticket 99.
> 
> 
> I've presented a summary list followed by a full list with units and 
> definitions.  I have one uncertainty in my mind (biological_taxon_label 
> versus biological_taxon_lsid) where I would really appreciate input.
> 
> 
> Cheers, Roy.
> 
> biological_taxon_name
> biological_taxon_identifier or biological_taxon_lsid – any preferences
> number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
> mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
> 
> 
> biological_taxon_name
> 
> A plaintext human-readable label, usually a Latin binomial such as Calanus 
> finmarchicus, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name or 
> other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a 
> unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.
> 
> dimensionless
> 
> biological_taxon_identifier
> 
> An opaque label, most usefully a URI that resolves to an authoritative 
> information source, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name 
> or other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging 
> to a unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy. The identifier 
> adopted for CF is the Life Science Identifier (LSID), a URN with the syntax 
> ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
> ‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
> urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be 
> converted to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.
> 
> dimensionless
> 
> OR
> 
> biological_taxon_lsid
> 
> The Life Science Identifier (LSID) is a standard URI for a biological taxon. 
> Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an organism or a group 
> of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a hierarchical 
> taxonomy. The LSID is a URN with the syntax 
> ‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
> copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
> ‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
> urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be 
> converted to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.
> 
> dimensionless
> 
> number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
> 
> Number concentration means the count of an entity per unit volume and is used 
> in the construction ‘number_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material 
> constituent of Y.. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
> organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in 
> a hierarchical taxonomy. Number concentration of biota is also referred to as 
> abundance.
> 
> m-3
> 
> mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
> 
> Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the construction 
> ‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a

[CF-metadata] Standard Names to support Trac ticket 99

2018-04-13 Thread Lowry, Roy K.
Dear All,


Here is an initial batch of 8 Standard Names to support the CF taxon dimension. 
Two are dimension labels whilst the other six are measurements to which the 
taxon is a co-ordinate. Five of these are to cover Daniel's proposal that 
prompted the resurrection of Ticket 99.


I've presented a summary list followed by a full list with units and 
definitions.  I have one uncertainty in my mind (biological_taxon_label versus 
biological_taxon_lsid) where I would really appreciate input.


Cheers, Roy.

biological_taxon_name
biological_taxon_identifier or biological_taxon_lsid – any preferences
number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
mole_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water


biological_taxon_name

A plaintext human-readable label, usually a Latin binomial such as Calanus 
finmarchicus, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name or 
other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a 
unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.

dimensionless

biological_taxon_identifier

An opaque label, most usefully a URI that resolves to an authoritative 
information source, applied to a biological taxon. Biological taxon is a name 
or other label identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to 
a unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy. The identifier adopted for 
CF is the Life Science Identifier (LSID), a URN with the syntax 
‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be converted 
to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.

dimensionless

OR

biological_taxon_lsid

The Life Science Identifier (LSID) is a standard URI for a biological taxon. 
Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an organism or a group of 
organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a hierarchical taxonomy. 
The LSID is a URN with the syntax 
‘urn:lsid:::[:]’. For example, the 
copepod Calocalanus pavo may be represented by LSIDs 
‘urn:lsid:marinespecies.org:taxname:104669’ (based on WoRMS) and 
urn:lsid:itis.gov:itis_tsn:85335’ (based on ITIS). These URNs may be converted 
to URLs delivering RDF by prefixing with 'http://lsid.tdwg.org/'.

dimensionless

number_concentration_of_biological_taxon_in_sea_water

Number concentration means the count of an entity per unit volume and is used 
in the construction ‘number_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material 
constituent of Y.. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a 
hierarchical taxonomy. Number concentration of biota is also referred to as 
abundance.

m-3

mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the construction 
‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material constituent of Y. A 
chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as 
'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the 
construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It 
means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely 
with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical 
constituents of A. Mass concentration of biota expressed as carbon is also 
referred to as carbon biomass. Biological taxon is a name or other label 
identifying an organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of 
classification in a hierarchical taxonomy.

 kg m-3


mass_concentration_of_biological_taxon_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the construction 
‘mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y’, where X is a material constituent of Y. A 
chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single term 
such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 
'expressed_as' is used in the
construction ‘A_expressed_as_B’, where B is a chemical constituent of A. It 
means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated solely 
with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other chemical 
constituents of A. Chlorophyll means all naturally occurring pigments of the 
chlorophyll group. Biological taxon is a name or other label identifying an 
organism or a group of organisms as belonging to a unit of classification in a 
hierarchical taxonomy.

 kg m-3