That said, It's a new product so I won't moan and groan about it until
non-IT folks start destroying sites just like they have always done with
FrontPage ;-)
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
You've hit the nail on the head with the FrontPage comparison. Contribute
even looks somewhat like FrontPage.
On Monday, Nov 11, 2002, at 11:20 US/Pacific, Park, Simon wrote:
I'm looking through the online documentation of Contribute because it
may be
a solution for a particular client of ours. One specific question that
I
haven't seen answered is whether there is built-in publishing from a
[ application developer ]
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We create websites that make you a hero.
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From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:sean;corfield.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
On Monday
On Tuesday, Nov 12, 2002, at 14:21 US/Pacific, Chris Alvarado wrote:
A user edits a page is some kind of WYSIWYG editor and then is able to
publish the page to the server. Thus, this really is really meant for
sites where content is static?
Correct.
In which case is this really a very
doo-hickies, that's funny. :)
-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:sean;corfield.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
On Tuesday, Nov 12, 2002, at 14:21 US/Pacific, Chris Alvarado wrote:
A user edits a page
At the risk of being a trouble maker, I just have to make this observation.
Now that we are allowed to talk about Contribute, I have to say the following:
We have been told that MM is doing away with Studio/Homesite because they do not want
to have more than one editing application in their
Subject: Contribute and Studio Observation
At the risk of being a trouble maker, I just have to make this
observation.
Now that we are allowed to talk about Contribute, I have to say the
following:
We have been told that MM is doing away with Studio/Homesite because
they
do not want
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) [mailto:Neil.Robertson-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
Homesite has not been done away with, neither has Studio..they have
been
rebranded Homesite
Contribute is not another Web editor, not in the traditional sense. It can integrate
with Dreamweaver MX.
If you really want some information on Contribute, you should check out the articles
that are going up on Fusion Authority right now. The issue has not gone out yet, and
new articles go up
)
[mailto:Neil.Robertson-Ravo;csd.reedexpo.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
Homesite has not been done away with, neither has Studio..they have been
rebranded Homesite +.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Occhialini [mailto:bump
;samcfug.org
http://www.samcfug.org
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From: Robert Occhialini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:42 AM
Subject: Contribute and Studio Observation
| At the risk of being a trouble maker
At the risk of being a trouble maker, I just have to make this
observation.
Now that we are allowed to talk about Contribute, I have to say the
following:
We have been told that MM is doing away with Studio/Homesite because they
do not want to have more than one editing application in
Robert,
at least Macromedia is consistently inconsistent.
- Original Message -
From: Robert Occhialini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: Contribute and Studio Observation
At the risk of being a trouble maker, I just have
Isaac,
you hit it right on the nose.
mike chambers
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-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:info;turnkey.to]
You
wouldn't buy Contribute for the folks in your office
currently using either
CF Studio or Dreamweaver -- you'd buy Contribute for the folks
wouldn't buy Contribute for the folks in your office currently using
either
CF Studio or Dreamweaver -- you'd buy Contribute for the folks in your
office currently sending email to the folks using CF Studio or Dreamweaver
to ask them to make changes.
and how long before the contribute users
), and expect your turnarounds to be as
quick as them writing a document in Word.
I see this product being used for good and evil.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:paul;tei.or.th]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
Not that I am trying to be exclusive or pompous, but when you
start allowing people who know nothing about web page design or
development to design or develop web pages, you get web pages
designed or developed by people who know nothing about the
process. I think it is a dangerous trend to
://www.pubcrawler.com
412-292-3135
[finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present]
[connecting people, places and things]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Hastings)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:46:45 +0700
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
wouldn't buy
through a legal department.
Jesse Noller
Macromedia Server Development
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-Original Message-
From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:rpolickoski;isrd.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
Not that I am trying
As a case and point: The professional secreatry is all but dead.
Because the word processor is now available to everyone, everyone
is expected to use it. Therefore, you now have middle executive
types spending twice as long to develop documents at 3 times the
cost with 1/2 the effectiveness
Isaac,
I wasn't attempting to imply that Contribute was intended as a replacement for Studio.
The point I was attempting to make is that they announced that the Studio line was
being end of lifed with the rationale being that they didn't want to have more than
one Web editing/design tool to
;tei.or.th]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:47 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
wouldn't buy Contribute for the folks in your office currently using
either
CF Studio or Dreamweaver -- you'd buy Contribute for the folks in your
office currently sending email to the folks
wouldn't buy Contribute for the folks in your office currently using
either
CF Studio or Dreamweaver -- you'd buy Contribute for the folks in your
office currently sending email to the folks using CF Studio or
Dreamweaver
to ask them to make changes.
and how long before the contribute
-
From: Ryan Kime [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
| I'm with ya on this one Paul.
|
| People take their cars to the quick lube and think they
are changing the
| oil when in reality, they've
Not that I am trying to be exclusive or pompous, but when you
start allowing people who know nothing about web page design or
development to design or develop web pages, you get web pages
designed or developed by people who know nothing about the
process. I think it is a dangerous trend to
/
888-408-0900 x901
-Original Message-
From: Jesse Noller [mailto:jnoller;macromedia.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
The Point of Contribute is to not deprecate the programmer/designer.
The
point is to allow
I'm with ya on this one Paul.
People take their cars to the quick lube and think they are changing the
oil when in reality, they've never seen the underside of their oil pan.
Most
non-technical people think web work is easy enough as it is because of
WYSIWYG editors (mainly Frontpage), and
Thanks Mike... It's good to know from folks in the know that I've still
got my edge ( whatever that is ). :P
Isaac,
you hit it right on the nose.
mike chambers
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-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:info;turnkey.to]
You
wouldn't buy Contribute for
and Studio Observation
wouldn't buy Contribute for the folks in your office currently using
either
CF Studio or Dreamweaver -- you'd buy Contribute for the
folks in your
office currently sending email to the folks using CF Studio or
Dreamweaver to ask them to make changes.
and how
]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
Except that Contribute is based on DreamWeaver's code base.
Matt Liotta
President CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901
-Original Message-
From: Jesse Noller [mailto:jnoller;macromedia.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
The Point of Contribute is to not deprecate the programmer/designer
I think that's a pretty unfair, and easy to answer argument.
not unfair, not anything really. you've missed my point.
Does that frighten you?
hardly anything but my wife scares me anymore.
No one's being replaced; maintenance is being reduced from a
developer/designer perspective and in
-0900 x901
-Original Message-
From: Jesse Noller [ mailto:jnoller;macromedia.com
mailto:jnoller;macromedia.com ]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
The Point of Contribute is to not deprecate the programmer/designer
Isaac,
I wasn't attempting to imply that Contribute was intended as a replacement
for Studio.
The point I was attempting to make is that they announced that the Studio
line was being end of lifed with the rationale being that they didn't want
to have more than one Web editing/design tool
At 11:09 AM 11/11/2, Robert Polickoski wrote:
Not that I am trying to be exclusive or pompous, but when you
start allowing people who know nothing about web page design or
development to design or develop web pages, you get web pages
designed or developed by people who know nothing about the
I think that's a pretty unfair, and easy to answer argument.
not unfair, not anything really. you've missed my point.
Okay, can you clarify your point then?
Does that frighten you?
hardly anything but my wife scares me anymore.
As a married guy, we're all in that same boat together.
: Contribute and Studio Observation
wouldn't buy Contribute for the folks in your office currently
using
either
CF Studio or Dreamweaver -- you'd buy Contribute for the folks
in your
office currently sending email to the folks using CF Studio or
Dreamweaver
to ask them to make changes.
and how
I don't think that should be a concern. Contribute seems to allow you
to lock down everything, including fonts and styles, and just allow
actual text content editing. So unless you make a living cutting and
missed my point...when they *think* they don't need the coders. perception
is
I don't think it will replace the admin section that I
build into my web sites which allow the user to do exactly
the same.
probably not but somebody somewhere will think it can.
doom gloom. no good will come of this but i guess i'll buy a couple of
seats for other parts of my office. social
-
Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group
Founder Director
www.cfug-vancouverisland.com
- Original Message -
From: David Notik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
I don't think
putting others out of theirs. That's been the whole point of factory /
office automation from the start: businesses save money (in the long run)
by
automating tasks they previously paid wages / salary to have done.
time to run up the skull cross bones.
but in some cultures, at some times,
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From: Ryan Kime [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 2:03 PM
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
| I'm with ya on this one Paul.
|
| People take their cars to the quick lube and think they
are changing the
| oil
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From: Ryan Kime [mailto:rkime;webcoindustries.com]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Contribute and Studio Observation
which allow the user to do
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Hastings [mailto:paul;tei.or.th]
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
I don't think that should be a concern. Contribute seems to allow you
to lock down
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Contribute and Studio Observation
Interesting - because I fit exactly that. Each proposal that goes out
has pricing for different administrative features - but my niche client
typically pay me to do the updates while throwing more of the bulk of
their budget into client
I'm looking through the online documentation of Contribute because it may be
a solution for a particular client of ours. One specific question that I
haven't seen answered is whether there is built-in publishing from a staging
or development server to a production server, particularly through a
Now that we are allowed to talk about Contribute, I have to
say the following:
We have been told that MM is doing away with Studio/Homesite
because they do not want to have more than one editing
application in their application portfolio. I accepted this
despite Dreamweaver's obvious
Sounds good, but exactly how does one do that when the
application is on a client machine two states away and there
is no server side scripting?
You may want to read about it on MM's website and see by yourself.
Basically you can:
1) Define sitewide settings that are stored in a XML file
2)
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