RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Philip Arnold - ASP
I have to emphasize that Site Definitions are core to a lot of Dreamweaver's functionality. It's not all about holding your hand! A lot of the behaviors (which you may or may not have used yet, but I'll bet that when you do, you'll be hooked) depend on paths, which requires DW have knowledge

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
Hi Joshua, To keep Homesite+ ; Yep, I think that was the thought from the outset - Dreamweaver will probably always ship with a tool geared toward the handcoder - it is just now that the handcoder's they have are old Studio Users, so to keep *us* happy we get Homesite+ (I think the name had to

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Michael Haggerty
an image file and drop it into my code. This is another feature which seems to have fallen out of the product... M -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Thanks

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Owen Leonard
IMHO opening a file via RDS and/or especially via FTP is simply bad practice - it is an accident waiting to happen. I know you Macromedia folks are proud of DWMX, and you should be--it's a great step forward from Dreamweaver 4. But this kind of statement really doesn't do anything for your

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Sarah Skiba
Services Administratror - Original Message - From: Owen Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:13 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? | IMHO opening a file via RDS and/or especially via FTP is simply bad | practice

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Pete Ruckelshaus
- Original Message - From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? OK, herrr's Jonny. snip IMHO opening a file via RDS and/or especially via FTP is simply bad

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
Oh, and the Drag and Drop of images is also there - as long as you are in Design Mode. Neil Clark Team Macromedia http://www.macromedia.com/go/team Announcing Macromedia MX!! http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial/. __

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
Hi Owen, Good points; and I think no-one from Macromedia (or I) has treated anyone like children ;-p that’s MO, you can develop your sites anyway you can, I am only seeing it from the Dreamweaver pov. As I said yesterday like Pete and others, I was LIVID when I found certain features and prods

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
Oh, and DWMX CAN have custom toolbar buttons, custom toolbars; remember that it these can all be extended with the DWMX JS DOM and the Extension Manager - I do remember a thread about Keyboard Shortcuts - so I hear ya on that one !! Neil Clark Team Macromedia

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Sarah Skiba
Any news on if it will be made workable with WebSite Pro? Sarah - Original Message - From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:35 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? | Hi Owen, | | Good points; and I

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Erika L Walker-Arnold
| From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Oh, and the Drag and Drop of images is also there - as long | as you are in Design Mode. | Neal, I'm sorry, but that's useless to us hand-coders. Absolutely useless. That drag and drop of images into your code was an excellent

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Bill Wheatley
PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? OK, herrr's Jonny. All who have commented.., I hear you on all levels. In fact 5 months ago when I learned that ColdFusion Studio was to be merged

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Mike Chambers
-Original Message- From: Owen Leonard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 7:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? IMHO opening a file via RDS and/or especially via FTP is simply bad practice - it is an accident waiting

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Bill Wheatley
: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Owen, Good points; and I think no-one from Macromedia (or I) has treated anyone like children ;-p that's MO, you can develop your sites anyway you can, I am only seeing it from the Dreamweaver pov. As I said yesterday like Pete and others, I

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Mike Chambers
-Original Message- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? IMHO opening a file via RDS and/or especially via FTP is simply bad practice - it is an accident waiting

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Erika L Walker-Arnold
| -Original Message- | From: Erika L Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | | Neal, I'm sorry, but snip By the way, NEIL, my apologies for misspelling your name. I hate when people do it to me. :) Erika With a K

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Bill Wheatley
: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? -Original Message- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? IMHO opening a file via

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
No problems Erika!! ;-) I get it all the time as well you can spell it lots of different ways here. N __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ:

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Nathan Stanford
Ok Ok Neil why do you say this is a BAD PRACTICE? Everyone else remember this is NEIL'S Opinion... Bad Practices are not written in stone. Although some of them could be. I have used FTP/RDS with other users No not to the LIVE BOX... Local Machine - Type here Development

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
How was the Bagel Bill... ;-) Are you saying I tow the MM party line ;- hee hee. I personally never used RDS as I always developed locally and using a BuildProdLive environment. It was my opinion not MACR's. As I said previously :RDS is in DWMX. Oh, about the logo, I have a feeling that

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
Thanks Nathan ;-) People can have opinions etc.. and I did mean the LIVE box - I personally think that using RDS on a live box is bad practice but that’s me. It is my opinion, and people will have theirs' in fact I can see why they are pretty peeved with the DWMX/HS+ scenario!!! Neil

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
*** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes with this style of doing it too. Did you

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Bill Wheatley
Wheatley Senior Database Developer Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer EDIETS.COM 954.360.9022 X159 ICQ 417645 - Original Message - From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Christine Lawson
PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Matthew R. Small
: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly with RDS/FTp of course mistakes happen but you'll have people making mistakes

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Frank Mamone
Did they remove it from Homesite+ too? - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Lol how many peopel have had DW or UD EAT their cf code and spit

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Paul Giesenhagen
Technical Support -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what

FW: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Ben Forta
Dave Deming, Macromedia Product Manager for DWMX, asked me to post this for him. The site mechanism in Dreamweaver MX is perhaps one of the largest adjustments for a CFStudio developer to make when starting to use Dreamweaver MX for day to

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Everyone, I know Mike Chambers and Nathan Stanford already pointed this out, but Neil is not a Macromedia employee. He's a Team Macromedia member, but not an employee, and his views are his own

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Christine Lawson
Thanks Mark :) -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, As one who has come close to the line of being rude (or perhaps HAVE been somewhat

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Chris Stoner
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? *** you wrote * OK so now we're being told by MM what is and is NOT good practice, dont seem right to me lol we should be able to access files directly

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread cf
if the developers were even taken into account with that roadmap. The answer appears to be yes, but the road is bumpy. Alex D -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Bill Wheatley
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 10:25 AM 5/7/2002 -0400, you wrote: OK, so as I sit here reading these rants about DWMX and RDS - which is great since it's apparently not what you CFers want - it makes me wonder, since I haven't tried CFMX or DWMX, and I don't use RDS at all but would like to eventually, when I figure out

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread James Maltby
salespeople for the CF product to clients) happy in the bargain Just a thought eh. J -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 16:30 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Vernon Viehe
Just an FYI on one point... I think Macromedia dropped the Studio name on HomeSite+ because Macromedia calls its bundles Studio. So, this will avoid confusion that CFStudio, isn't a Studio bundle. __ This list and all House of

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Christine Lawson
Okay, which point are you replying too? -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Just an FYI on one point... I think Macromedia dropped the Studio name

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Vernon Viehe
I'm gonna have to go out on a limb here (as a new comer, I've been trying to not get too rowdy...) I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. I totally understand that we're talking about folks work environment, and I am sensitive to that. I expect passion around this issue. While

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Neil Clark - =TMM=
Hi Mark et al I certainly only wanted to say what was my view (hence constant smilies and reference to M.O and IMHO etc ;-). I like passionate threads, in fact it works both ways - I am passionate about certain things and certain paths of development... but that does not mean to say it

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Nathan Stanford
to it -Original Message- From: Chris Stoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Vernon Viehe
: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Okay, which point are you replying too? -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Just an FYI on one point

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Vernon Viehe
Maybe, just maybe, I'll try Homesite+, but I guess it all depends upon what gets sent as part of our subscription program, doesn't it? Pete My friends in customer service have told me that if you're subscribed to CF Studio subscription, you will receive DWMX as part of your

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Shawn Grover
thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? I know I sound like a DW-ite and that I am towing the Macromedia party line

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 08:55 AM 5/7/2002 -0700, you wrote: We are discussing details on an IDE, which by itself is somewhat benign, but if you look at the overall attitude (and perceived direction) of Macromedia, you should be able to easily see why we are getting a bit worried and/or frustrated with

Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?)

2002-05-07 Thread Van Vliet, Scott
I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013 Tel 213.244.5205 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Ian Tait
I think it's time you got some new friends :-) Ian -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:14 To: CF-Talk Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?) I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Adrian Lynch
Don't listen to him, he's often seen reading hex and binary :OP -Original Message- From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:16 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I think it's time you got some new friends

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Lee Fuller
Lol.. I was just thinking the same thing! | -Original Message- | From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:16 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are | you thinking? ) | | | I think it's time you got some new

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Ian Tait
:q! rm -f /usr/bin/vi QED Ian -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) Lol.. I was just thinking the same thing! | -Original Message

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Christine Lawson
with future releases - especially with your feedback. I hope that helps... Christine -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, Chris makes some valid

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Van Vliet, Scott
Angeles, CA 90013 Tel 213.244.5205 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I think it's time you got some new

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Darren Adams
May 2002 17:14 To: CF-Talk Subject:Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?) I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, and will use no other editor. On top of that, they are CRAZY fast at coding with it. -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra

Re: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?)

2002-05-07 Thread Stephen Moretti
Just use notepad then. That's a text editor too... ;o) - Original Message - From: Van Vliet, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?) I wish I could code

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Lee Fuller
LOL | -Original Message- | From: Ian Tait [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:21 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are | you thinking? ) | | | :q! | | rm -f /usr/bin/vi | | QED | | Ian | | -Original Message

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Van Vliet, Scott
: Darren Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) Good grief !! I cant stand VI you people are glutten for punishment !! Don't you know it's 2002 not 1960 ? Darren Adams Web

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread James Maltby
Yeah, but you got to remember that this list is 80%-90% American! ducks :) J -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 17:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I thought

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Darren Adams
-Talk Subject:RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) I thought everyone on this list understood sarcasm :) I guess this whole DWMX thing has just sucked the fun out of all of you! -- Scott Van Vliet Sempra Energy 555 W. 5th St., 21st Floor Los Angeles, CA 90013

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Chris Stoner
: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? My question for you Chris is can you Quote where Christine has said anything like... Get used to it? If your going to throw in an accusations please give a quoted example or two? Thanks, Nathan On top of that, in this thread alone, your replies have been

RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? )

2002-05-07 Thread Darren Adams
PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:33 To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? ) Yeah, but you got to remember that this list is 80%-90% American! ducks :) J -Original Message- From: Van Vliet, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Dave Hannum
. My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Neil Clark - =TMM= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? I know I sound like a DW-ite and that I am towing the Macromedia party line

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Ben Densmore
, 2002 12:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Dear Macormedia, Can't you just understand that there are LOTS of us out here that have no use for the design studio which Dreamweaver MX is? You know, some people can simply see a page layout in their head, and can

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread James Maltby
Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Hi Guys, I see your points, in my reply I didn't actually mean get use to it, I more meant to say lets get some concrete feedback and I'll pass it on internally and you should pass it on through our web site. The thing is, I can't go and change

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Adrian Lynch
Why not have them as different packages? -Original Message- From: Ben Densmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Isn't that where HomeSite + will come in? For those that don't do design? Plus you can

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Adrian Lynch
Right behind ya on that one boss :O) -Original Message- From: James Maltby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 May 2002 17:48 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine Thanks for the response. I guess my own reply would be to back-up what Dave

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Hrncir, Garrett (DAL)
My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and license him to develop a MM partnered version of, say Studio MX - which I am sure 90% plus of CF developers across the world would be willing to upgrade to and MM could get a commission on each sale, keeping developers

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Gyrus
My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and license him to develop a MM partnered version What a great idea. Out of all the programs I use for web development I think Top Style is one of the best designed. I would love to see what would happen if Nick

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Shawn Grover
: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Christine, I won't try to talk for everyone here however, as a developer who spends more time in code then in the look and feel part of a web page, I an see why everyone is getting a little rude here. We as Cold Fusion developers have enjoyed

Re: Editor Woes (was RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?)

2002-05-07 Thread Alex
Tell them to step out of the 70s and into the new century. VI is unix's notepad and IMO useless if you're dealing with anything larger than a config file or script. On Tue, 7 May 2002, Van Vliet, Scott wrote: I wish I could code with VI. Everyone that I know who uses it, loves it, and will

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Shawn Grover
. My thoughts. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? The direction of abandoning the HomeSite / CF Studio codebase. I remember when the merger

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Robert Everland
1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? My suggestion would be to give the rights to Studio back to Nick Bradbury and license him to develop a MM partnered version What a great idea. Out of all the programs I use for web development I think Top Style is one

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-07 Thread Gyrus
From: Robert Everland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or better yet, Macromedia can give CF back to Allaire, then the newly formed allaire can give Jrun back to the makers who made that. The suggestion was to bring Nick Bradbury back into the loop in partnership with MM. I think this was in response to a

Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Joshua Miller
Why did you remove basic use of FTP/RDS from Studio and replace it with the Dreamweaver SITE function? That was by far one of the BEST features of the Studio product, and the SITE feature is probably one of the worst features of Dreamweaver. What about those of us who manage more than 1 site, or

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Bill Wheatley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Why did you remove basic use of FTP/RDS from Studio and replace it with the Dreamweaver SITE function? That was by far one of the BEST features of the Studio

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Shawn Grover
an existing, partially constructed app. Shawn Grover -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Why did you remove basic use of FTP/RDS from Studio and replace

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 10:17 AM 5/6/2002 -0600, you wrote: I don't work with RDS or FTP, but I've already determined that I'll be sticking with CF Studio 4.5.2 for the web app I'm developing. Simply because I don't like the idea of building a SITE in DWMX so I can work with my files (yes, I know I can edit my files

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Shawn Grover
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? At 10:17 AM 5/6/2002 -0600, you wrote: I don't work with RDS or FTP, but I've already determined that I'll be sticking with CF Studio 4.5.2 for the web app I'm developing. Simply

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Joshua Miller
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Haven't played with the Synchronize functionality of DWMX. But I have used UltraDev. The synch function in UltraDev makes sure the folder/file structure of your target

Re[2]: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Critz
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] JM Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:43 PM JM To: CF-Talk JM Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? JM Haven't played with the Synchronize functionality of DWMX. But I have JM used UltraDev. The synch function in UltraDev makes sure the JM folder/file

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Lee Fuller
Here.. Here.. | -Original Message- | From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:57 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? | | | I certainly hope so ... DWMX has a lot of potential, but | removing excellent

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Shawn Grover
Folks: What are you thinking? Here.. Here.. | -Original Message- | From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:57 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? | | | I certainly hope so ... DWMX has a lot of potential

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Mark W. Breneman
: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? At 10:17 AM 5/6/2002 -0600, you wrote: I don't work with RDS or FTP, but I've already determined that I'll be sticking with CF Studio 4.5.2 for the web app

Re: Re[2]: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Owen Leonard
/me thought that's why they included homesite+ *grinz* Yeah, it's hilarious alright. The whole Homesite+ thing begs the question: Why roll all that Homesite/Studio functionality into Dreamweaver if we're still going to have to switch applications to do basic, day-to-day, line-to-line tasks?

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread John Dowdell
At 8:56 AM 5/6/2, Joshua Miller wrote: Why should you HAVE to setup a site for everything you want to edit on a remote server? Am I understanding correctly that you'd like future versions of Dreamweaver to download, edit, and upload individual files without locally relating these files to

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread John McKown
I like the sites feature. I guess if you are using SourceSafe or something similar, then the site functionality may not be important to you. Personally, I like the file check-in/check-out features of DWMX, and the ability to synchronize a site without doubling the page count and adding a lot of

Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 12:55 PM 5/6/2002 -0700, you wrote: At 8:56 AM 5/6/2, Joshua Miller wrote: Why should you HAVE to setup a site for everything you want to edit on a remote server? Am I understanding correctly that you'd like future versions of Dreamweaver to download, edit, and upload individual files

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Ken Wilson
In ColdFusion studio, I am able to open up a file via FTP / RDS Yikes! Surely that hasn't been left out of DWMX. That's not a feature, just basic functionality. Ken __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Jeffry Houser
At 04:28 PM 5/6/2002 -0400, you wrote: In ColdFusion studio, I am able to open up a file via FTP / RDS Yikes! Surely that hasn't been left out of DWMX. That's not a feature, just basic functionality. Well, it is in there sort of. You have to create a site to be able to do this. Based on

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
To add my own voice I whole heartedly agree. -Original Message- From: Mark W. Breneman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? I hate to be a Me too but, (not bashing, just IMHO) I don't like

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
my rant. Back to work g. -mk -Original Message- From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? At 8:56 AM 5/6/2, Joshua Miller wrote: Why should you HAVE to setup a site

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Vernon Viehe
Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Why did you remove basic use of FTP/RDS from Studio and replace

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Joshua Miller
(Clarksburg Office) (304) 456-4942 (Home Office) -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? In ColdFusion studio, I am able to open up a file via FTP / RDS Yikes

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Joshua Miller
Office) -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Since I work in CF Studio 4 to 6 hours a day - here's my rant: I certainly like the idea of relating files

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Joshua Miller
Office) (304) 456-4942 (Home Office) -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? I wanted to talk to some of our most seasoned CF'ers around here before I got back

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG
You wrote: 2. There is no option to use FTP/RDS in the save-as dialog box: This means that to save upload to another site/location other than the site currently chosen, you have to first save it to the corresponding location in the local root folder of that site, then

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Trusz, Andrew
that Mark wants. The process is automatic; as user proof as possible. andy -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? I wanted to talk to some of our most seasoned CF'ers

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Vernon Viehe
I guess I'm missing something here, but I thought we were talking about RDS/FTP in the open/save dialog. I know all this fussing can't be because DW asks you to tell it where you want any local files stored for each site, that's only a few moments to declare, and the advantages are awesome.

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Joshua Miller
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? I wanted to talk to some of our most seasoned CF'ers around here before I got back with you on this. We stepped through what was necessary to set up the RDS connection

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Vernon Viehe
be conveying what I learn from you all. -Vern -Original Message- From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:38 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? You may also take note of this reply I got when submitting the feature

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Joshua Miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (304) 622-5676 (Clarksburg Office) (304) 456-4942 (Home Office) -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? I guess I'm missing something here

RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking?

2002-05-06 Thread Vernon Viehe
-Original Message- From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Macromedia Folks: What are you thinking? Thanks for monitoring this Vernon. And my comments below are not meant to be personal. However, I'm one who rarely

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