Tilbrook, Peter wrote:
Actually it is very much based on approved standards (see
http://www.w3.org/).
Such statements makes me wonder which standards you mean. Do you know
anything about how Safari handles the following W3C test suites:
CSS: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/
DOM:
Actually, I think that the bug which prevented Safari from running the CSS1 test suite
has already been fixed by Apple. I have no idea what their beta release cycle looks
like, but I imagine we will see an update soon with the updated code.
I got this information from Dave Hyatt's Weblog.
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 03:55 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote:
Such statements makes me wonder which standards you mean. Do you know
anything about how Safari handles the following W3C test suites:
CSS: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/
DOM: http://www.w3.org/DOM/Test/
HTML:
Dick Applebaum wrote:
Do you know of any browsers on any platform that conform to all the
standards?
Scroll up in this thread and read my first response.
The point is not that support for HTML/CSS/DOM in Safari is better or
worse as in the offerings of the competition. I don't know if it
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:33 AM
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Dick Applebaum wrote:
Do you know of any browsers
think
they are finally developing a browser for the Mac which will operate as
expected.
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From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10 January 2003 15:55
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Not to veer off a standards debate, but why do you think
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From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:54 AM
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What would be the point? Mac Office is THE biggest selling Office tool and
is way
ooh, I bet MS are scared... I can here the sobbing from Redmond here
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From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10 January 2003 16:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
If all they want is MS independence, then they should be working on an
office
:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
Not to veer off a standards debate, but why do you think Apple is getting
into the browser wars? I'm mostly surprised as it looks to be more trouble
that it's worth for Apple.
If all they want is MS independence, then they should be working
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What would be the point? Mac Office is THE biggest selling Office
tool
and
is way advanced, it would take far far too long for it happen in any
shape
or form and I am sure the MS/Apple partnership through
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Not to veer off a standards debate, but why do you think Apple is
getting into the browser wars? I'm mostly surprised as it looks to be
more trouble that it's worth for Apple.
If all they want is MS independence
http://www.apple.com/keynote/
http://www.apple.com/ical/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/jaguar/mail.html
Looks to me like they already are headed that way.
-Drew
On 1/10/03 9:55 AM, Adrocknaphobia Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If all they want is MS independence, then they should be working on
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From: Fregas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
Actually they did create a PowerPoint type slide show app. So it
seems maybe that is the direction they're going. First a browser, then
a presentation app
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From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
Personally, I don't think any of us would know what to do if someone
made a 100% standards-compliant browser ... We've been so
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 07:55 AM, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
If all they want is MS independence, then they should be working on an
office competitor.
One of the rumored products that Apple is working on is iOffice a
rewrite of AppleWorks for OS X,
I think that AppleWorks and
On Friday, Jan 10, 2003, at 08:42 US/Pacific, Drew Harris wrote:
http://www.apple.com/keynote/
http://www.apple.com/ical/
http://www.apple.com/macosx/jaguar/mail.html
Looks to me like they already are headed that way.
Well, you can certainly survive on a Mac without MS Office... until
I read somewhere that there is an open-source, MSOffice-compatible
product that runs under X11 on other platforms -- so this is another
possibility.
OpenOffice.org has the final beta for Mac out.
HTH
Dick
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-Original Message-
From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 3:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 07:55 AM, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
If all they want is MS independence, then they should
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote:
If you want to show me something, put it on a web
server and send me the URL which is how I mostly respond to folks
who send me MS Office documents :)
I like that! -- except for those pesky MS-Access documents :)
Dick
Joshua Miller wrote:
Personally, I don't think any of us would know what to do if someone
made a 100% standards-compliant browser
Nothing different from what we do now. I mean, you do validate what you
write now, right? So nothing really changes.
Things change when people decide not to bother
Another to add to the mix:
ThinkFree Office
http://www.thinkfree.com/
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From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
Yeah, OpenOffice.org ... I run it on my Win2K machine and I've
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 12:37 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote:
If you want to show me something, put it on a web
server and send me the URL which is how I mostly respond to folks
who send me MS Office documents :)
I like that! -- except for those pesky
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Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
Joshua Miller wrote:
Personally, I don't think any of us would know what to do if someone
made a 100% standards-compliant browser
Nothing different from what we do now. I mean, you do validate what you
write now, right? So nothing really changes.
Things
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm sorry. I think it's pretty irresponsible of apple to put out a
browser that doesn't meet standards. Especially when they intend to ship
it with the OS.
As opposed to Microsoft and Netscape, who put out browsers that don't
meet standards...
--
Heh heh!
Actually it is very much based on approved standards (see
http://www.w3.org/).
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm sorry. I think it's pretty irresponsible of apple to put out a
browser that doesn't meet standards. Especially when they intend to
ship it with the OS.
On Thursday, Jan 9, 2003, at 20:14 US/Pacific, Larry W. Virden wrote:
As opposed to Microsoft and Netscape, who put out browsers that don't
meet standards...
The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose
from...
If you've ever worked in standards - ISO Standards in
I dunno, Apple Hummer doesn't have much of a ring to it :)
- Jim
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
Well then it should have been called SILVERADO after another
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From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
I dunno, Apple Hummer doesn't have much of a ring
I'm no Mac guy, the name sort of goes along with the competition's
names:
Explorer Navigator.
Cool. I think I'll develop a browser and call it Conquistador.
Scott
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/
What's that a food fetish? :P
I dunno, Apple Hummer doesn't have much of a ring to it
:)
- Jim
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Well then it should
.
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From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
I am running it on my
It uses the KHTML rendering engine, which appears in my professional
opinion...to suck. Luckily it looks like they also are apparently
spoofing the browser by default (as NS5), so it will never show up in
server logs, and we can safely pretend it doesn't exist.
.
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From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
It uses the KHTML rendering engine, which appears in my professional
opinion...to suck. Luckily it looks like they also are apparently
spoofing the browser
: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
I am running it on my TiBook against CFMX for J2EE installed on both
JRun and Tomcat.
It is wicked fast.
It has Flash, QuickTime, JavaScript, Java built in.
As for a JVM, OS X comes standard with a JVM and JDK -- so
Ahh, but... They started with the KHTML engine, rewrote much of it, and
are publishing their rewrite as open-source.
They did the same thing with parts of the JVM.
So, everyone (potentially) benefits.
Dick
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 12:25 PM, jon hall wrote:
It uses the KHTML
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From: Mueller, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
Not to completely defend Apple on this point, because the fact that
they're
not using Gecko makes me a little sick to my stomach, but King Steve did
say
they've
I hope so...but I feel the same way Ben does about them not using
Gecko. They have quite a few excellent Gecko specific tutorials one
their developer site even.
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Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 3:39:44 PM, you wrote:
DA Ahh, but... They started with the KHTML engine,
Well, it's beta right now. Complain after it's shipping as final and doesn't
meet your requirements.
jay
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From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
I'm sorry. I think
developer or owner
right now since I haven't found anything that OmniWeb does that Safari
doesn't do as well.
Bill
: -Original Message-
: From: jon hall
: Sent: 1/7/03 1:25 PM
: Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
:
: It uses the KHTML rendering engine, which appears in my
: professional opinion
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I hope so...but I feel the same way Ben does about them not using
Gecko. They have quite a few excellent Gecko specific tutorials one
their developer site even.
--
jon
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Tuesday, January 7, 2003, 3:39:44 PM, you wrote:
DA Ahh
Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
I'm elated, but at the same time sick to my stomach. After years we
finally got ie and netscape to render damn near close to identical.
Please tell me this meets all w3c standards. Btw, anyone know if a JVM
is built in?
There doesn't exist *any* browser that
Isn't this the CF-TALK list?
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On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 12:56 PM, Everett, Al wrote:
Isn't this the CF-TALK list?
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Isn't this the CF-TALK list?
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: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
Don't you need to test your CF apps on all the current browsers?
Dick
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 12:56 PM, Everett, Al wrote:
Isn't this the CF-TALK list?
[snip][snip][snip
.
It's been a lifesaver more than once, and allows reasonably authoritative
platform-specific FAQ's as well.
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From: Everett, Al [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
When Macs get
You don't want Apple users money?
Rob
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From: Everett, Al [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 1:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser
When Macs get to be more than 5% of our user base, I'm sure we'll consider
it.
Then again, my company
We're strictly a B2B shop. Platforms other than Windows/IE are a mere blip.
And...I'm not in charge. I'm just a code monkey.
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From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 4:30 PM
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You don't
Rob Rohan writes:
You don't want Apple users money?
They bought a mac...they have no money left ;)
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What browser? I thought CF was only used for task scheduling. ;P
Don't you need to test your CF apps on all the current
browsers?
Dick
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 12:56 PM, Everett, Al
wrote:
Isn't this the CF-TALK list?
[snip][snip][snip]
s. isaac dealey
No, we use the OS for scheduling -- on CFMXJ2EE we use CF to load JSP
pages %^)
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 01:45 PM, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
What browser? I thought CF was only used for task scheduling. ;P
Don't you need to test your CF apps on all the current
browsers?
Dick
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:04 PM
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No, we use
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Strange, SAFARI ... Doesn't quite fit any of their other naming
conventions. I thought all the metal apps were in the iLife realm.
Wonder why it's not iBrowse or iSurf or something more catchy and
relevant than
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Strange, SAFARI ... Doesn't quite fit any of their other naming
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:58 PM
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I'm no Mac guy
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Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:11 PM
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Strange, SAFARI ... Doesn't quite fit any of their other naming
conventions. I thought all the metal apps were in the iLife realm.
Wonder why it's not iBrowse or iSurf or something
I am running it on my TiBook against CFMX for J2EE installed on both
JRun and Tomcat.
It is wicked fast.
It has Flash, QuickTime, JavaScript, Java built in.
As for a JVM, OS X comes standard with a JVM and JDK -- so no apps need
their own (not the browser, JRun, CFMX, Tomcat, yadda, yadda,
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