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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM
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Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks
I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :)
Fusebox went unsupported for a number
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Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks
I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :)
Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some drama
about who owned the source code (it predates modern
back to talk about frameworks
I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :)
Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some drama
about who owned the source code (it predates modern open source
licenses).
There was a failed fork and then the community stepped in and created
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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks
I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :)
Fusebox went unsupported
: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:18 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: after a long hiatus back to talk about frameworks
I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :)
Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some
drama
But my approach to frameworks has been to 'wait and see'. Because I don't like
wasting my time. I need to do something on a daily basis other wise it wont
stick.
I delayed learning any Framework and then just learned fusebox at a
job/contract.
I was going to ask, which frameworks are the
I am still seeing a lot of legacy apps using fusebox, in perm jobs and
contracts, so no harm in knowing it.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote:
But my approach to frameworks has been to 'wait and see'. Because I don't
like wasting my time. I need to do something
Frameworks exist because they help solve problems - typically problems
that are common and many people have experienced in the past. These
problems are not going to go away. Yes, a particular framework X may
go away, but learning it will not be a waste of time as you will gain
the experience of
Right...but...learning a new framework or two, depending on which you
choose and how you use 'em, will make you a better MVC'er, OO'er, ORM'er,
Frameworker, etc...
...if you take my meaning. And most/all of those things are likely to help
you land your next job, regardless of which framework(s)
But focusing on 'which framework is more popular' and 'which framework
may go away' seems a bit silly.
I don't think so. The reason being is that I don't like wasting my time because
if I don't use a thing everyday it doesn't get imprinted. For example - I've
gotten semi proficient in java
My comment still applies. Even if you learn and forget all of those
frameworks in succession, because most of them feature MVC/OO/ORM/etc, that
stuff should stick.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote:
But focusing on 'which framework is more popular' and 'which
My comment still applies. Even if you learn and forget all of those
frameworks in succession, because most of them feature MVC/OO/ORM/etc, that
stuff should stick.
Yes everyone's comment applies,I was not intending to diminish anyone's
perspective. :)
Right...but...learning a new framework or two, depending on which you
choose and how you use 'em, will make you a better MVC'er, OO'er, ORM'er,
Frameworker, etc...
...if you take my meaning. And most/all of those things are likely to help
you land your next job, regardless of which framework(s)
I know. I was proposing a reason why wasting my time because if I don't
use a thing everyday it doesn't get imprinted might not apply.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote:
My comment still applies. Even if you learn and forget all of those
frameworks in
Frameworks exist because they help solve problems
This is why the best framework is the one you design yourself to solve your
problems.
Solutions for other people's problems ar not always good for you and may even
cause more problems you will ever encounter.
For certain breeds of unique problem, that's probably true.
For most breeds of common problem, let's not spend a week or two developing
a custom framework before problem-solving commences.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM, wrote:
Frameworks exist because they help solve problems
This is
I think much of it overshadows and diminishes what CFML's biggest
advantage has always been, which is simplicity to use and ease to learn,
CFML is itself a RAD Framework for JAVA don;t forget.
If a newbie comes along here they are invariably told to use OOP, use MVC,
use a framework, use
I may just stick with FB for now, I already am comfortable with it. The path of
least resistance... Lol
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I think much of it overshadows and diminishes what CFML's biggest
advantage has always been, which is simplicity to use and ease to learn,
CFML is itself a RAD Framework for JAVA don;t forget.
If a newbie comes along here they are invariably told to use OOP, use MVC,
use a framework, use
Russ, did I meet you in the UK a few years ago, you offered me some beer on a
job interview? Lol
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion
Agreed. I'm porting a number of sites to FW/1 on Railo and I've found
the communities and developers for both to be extremely helpful.
Also, in my experience FW/1 is much easier to implement than Fusebox.
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote:
Many people
As an example of this, learning MVC and DI in Coldbox made it much
easier to dive into .Net MVC when I was working in a .Net/C# shop.
There were certainly some differences in how things were done in each
framework (Coldbox was better than .Net MVC in pretty much every way,
though .Net MVC got
Lol, quite possibly, waz it an interview at loud n clear, the md always
endded up dragging everyone to the pub.
Regards
Russ Michaels
From my mobile
On 9 May 2012 18:24, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote:
Russ, did I meet you in the UK a few years ago, you offered me some beer
on a job
I was going to ask, which frameworks are the most popular in terms of
actual employment statistics but even then, it might all be a waste of time
if my next contract doesn't use ( framework x,y, or z ).
Maybe what you are looking for isn't going to be solved by a framework, but
by a better
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Nathan Strutz wrote:
The Model-View-Controller pattern is pretty ideal for web applications, and
is one of the best tools we developers have these days. You can do it
without a framework, it's not hard (
www.dopefly.com/techblog/entry.cfm?entry=307 and
I was going to ask, which frameworks are the most popular in terms of
actual employment statistics but even then, it might all be a waste of time
if my next contract doesn't use ( framework x,y, or z ).
Maybe what you are looking for isn't going to be solved by a framework, but
by a better
Maybe what you are looking for isn't going to be solved by a framework, but
by a better methodology. By far, the most popular way to write web
applications these days, an improvement over the old Fusebox days, and
certainly enabled (and sometimes forced) by all the frameworks, is MVC.
The
Nathan is DA MAN! :-)
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On May 9, 2012 9:48 PM, Don danfar...@hotmail.com wrote:
Maybe what you are looking for isn't going to be solved by a framework,
but
by a better methodology. By far, the most popular way to write web
applications these days, an
Anecdotally:
- http://cfwheels.org
- http://coldbox.org http://www.coldbox.org/
- http://fusebox.org http://www.fusebox.org/
- http://mach-ii.com http://www.mach-ii.com/
- http://fw1.riaforge.org
- http://ontap.riaforge.org
- and others
I recommend picking whichever seems
some resources which may help you getting back into CF
www.cf411.com
www.cfsearch.com
www.cfmldeveloper.com
from these you can most likely find everything else you need
On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:36 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotally:
- http://cfwheels.org
-
some resources which may help you getting back into CF
www.cf411.com
www.cfsearch.com
www.cfmldeveloper.com
from these you can most likely find everything else you need
thanks guys. Wow, some old names I still remember. =)
I'm not afraid to poke the stormcloud :)
Fusebox went unsupported for a number of years and there was some drama
about who owned the source code (it predates modern open source licenses).
There was a failed fork and then the community stepped in and created a
barrage of better frameworks.
Many people believe Framework/1 (fw1.riaforge.org) is the true successor
to
Fusebox.
+1
I ran into this the other day:
CFMeetup 2011_0303 Simple MVC with FW/1, with Daria Norris
http://vimeo.com/21864956
That should get you started with FW/1 in (fairly) short order.
HTH
G!
On Tue, May 8,
Hi, its been a while since I did any CF work. I am wondering what framework
seems to be popular right now.
I did a bit of fusebox and liked it. But am wondering about the others out
there. I noticed CF builder 2 didn't have any support for it as did CFEclipse.
I find that odd. Has FB gone
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