ColdFusion supports both approaches and sports a very powerful set of
capabilities. Don't really see the issue. I have had no problem staying
employed using CF for 12 years on the East Coast. When you start to
maintain a web property at more of an enterprise level you find yourself
want a more
www.necfug.com
-Original Message-
From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:03 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
wouldn't it make far more sense to move into something more popular
like PHP, .Net, etc. right
www.necfug.com
-Original Message-
From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:17 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Wow. Whether you meant to or not you just made my point. Not about CA, but
about the dismal state of CF employment
-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
I have been called about jobs in Nebraska, Massachussetts, Minnesota, Ohio,
Indiana, Tennessee, and there have been quite a few in Chicago (that's off
the top of my head)
-Original Message-
From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz
: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:03 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
wouldn't it make far more sense to move into something more popular
like PHP, .Net, etc. right away?
In a word. Yes. Unless you live
: 12 January 2011 14:58
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Wow, the commodore!
International karate, right?
So, CF is a bless eh :)
Rizal
At 09:51 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote:
Nah this was 8 bit 6502 assembler
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Commodore64 fans should know what
Coming from a design, not programming, background, I embraced
Coldfusion for all the well-known reasons: easy to use, easy to learn,
easy, easy...you get the idea.
With the advent of more advanced features, everywhere I go I see a big
push for moving Coldfusion and Coldfusion
Thanks, everyone for all the different perspectives. I know that if I were
looking at coldfusion for the first time these days, with all the OOP and
framework talk dominating the 'airwaves', I'd probably go with PHP or something
else, because there is no real benefit to Coldfusion if the
sorry - this should have been a reply on the other thread. no idea how it ended
up here...
Thanks, everyone for all the different perspectives. I know that if I
were looking at coldfusion for the first time these days, with all the
OOP and framework talk dominating the 'airwaves', I'd
I'm probably going to embarass the s#$t out of myself now, but..
I wrote a painfully long, meandering, stream-of-consciousness blog post on this
a couple years ago. I was frustrated, angry, worried, and felt like after
years of trying, I had wasted a LOT of time.
Commodore64 fans should know what that does :-)
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Rizal Firmansyah [mailto:rizal.firmans...@masrizal.com]
Sent: 12 January 2011 14:36
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Whoa,
assembler.. back to the old days when moving to 16bit
Just another direction to think about is Flex.
I've been a CF'er full-time since 1996 (V 3.1), so believe me when I say
I LOVE CF!
Recently I've taken another look at Flex (after dismissing it in the
early days as ridiculously expensive). It is now VERY inexpensive and I
am blown away at how
Does anyone else feel ashamed for being a CF Developer for years (2001 v. 5.0)
and still not knowing (or using) these kinds of exterior apps/technologies?
*lowers head* I feel like I'm a beginning developer stuck in a time warp or
something... So much to look into, so little time, so many fun
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote:
Thanks, everyone for all the different perspectives. I know that if I were
looking at coldfusion for the first time these days, with all the OOP and
framework talk dominating the 'airwaves', I'd probably go with PHP or
Nope (although I have used custom and other frameworks and OO and
procedural coding methods)I learned a few things long ago that makes
life simpler...
1) Pay attention to, but don't dive into bleeding edge stuff without
good reason (paying client for example)
Although some of it becomes
I think if you were looking at CF for the first time these days,
you'd be looking at the features that were consistent with your skill set.
If you were a beginner, you'd probably be pretty happy that CF can
get
you up and writing web applications pretty darn quickly.
CF is a very
...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Lowrey [mailto:rid...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
Does anyone else feel ashamed for being a CF Developer for years (2001 v.
5.0) and still not knowing
ColdFusion still makes the hard things easy. That hasn't changed,nor
will it at any point in the future. Yes, many enterprise levelapps are
written in some sort of framework, or the employer islooking for someone
versed in MVC architecture. This is a sign ofthe times;
Everyone deserves a second chance Marc :D
-Original Message-
From: Marc Funaro [mailto:subscripti...@advantex.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:55 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
I'm probably going to embarass the s#$t out of myself now
...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:45 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
I've spent the past year or two incorporating jQuery
into my programming, mainly the AJAX functionality.
Everything I do (perhaps too much!) uses AJAX. It's just
become my
Your first question:
Knowledge of frameworks and OOP does make you more employable, although so
does increased knowledge of nearly anything.
You second question:
Nothing is wrong with traditional ColdFusion programming. I agree with what
Ray Camden wrote in that frameworks can help solve
replies inline Rick
On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 12:45 -0500, Rick Faircloth wrote:
[sinp]
I mention this as I wondered about Flex, based on the
comment a few moments ago. I checked out a few examples
of Flex demos and didn't see anything, on a cursory
look, that I couldn't easily do (or
: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
Rick,
I agree with you in large part with one exception. We do a lot of financial
visualizations that would simply gasp and die in Ajax - even if we could
find the proper libraries for them. And it would also be hard to duplicate
the animation, opacity etc
: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:40 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
Mark,
Do you create your financial visualizations in Flex?
Is it the Flash part of the visualizations that performs
better than AJAX?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger
I am going to answer the question you asked in the subject of the thread.
No. ColdFusion is not losing its biggest asset. To me, ColdFusion's
biggest asset is you, and Charlie and Dave and Rick and everyone else
on this list and other CF support lists. I think ColdFusion's biggest
asset is the
Everyone deserves a second chance Marc :D
A second chance to embarrass themselves? I'll take it! I learn a lot when the
high and mighty correct me :)
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
I think ColdFusion's biggest
asset is the community of developers who take it upon themselves to
help out newcomers to the language, as well as help to address complex
issues that even the most seasoned CF developer might encounter. Yea,
we bicker form time to time, but for the most part,
One of the the projects I started more recently is a rather small
framework called FreeAgent. The purpose of this particular project is to
create a system whereby an application can be easily designed to fit
into any of the existing MVC frameworks for ColdFusion, whether that's
FW/1, ColdBox,
Thanks for the feedback and perspective, Bryan!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:22 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
replies inline Rick
On Wed, 2011-01-12
Server: $1200
Help from the ColdFusion community: priceless
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:47 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
I am going to answer the question you asked
...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:40 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
Mark,
Do you create your financial visualizations in Flex?
Is it the Flash part of the visualizations that performs
better than AJAX?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Mark
So basically, Flash's implementation of Ajax (generic
usage of the term) is faster than, say jQuery's?
Would that be accurate?
Not exactly, because Flash doesn't use AJAX.
But if the question is, does a Flash client fetch data more quickly
than AJAX, the answer is generally yes. Flash
AMF?
Thanks for the feedback, Dave!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:48 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
So basically, Flash's implementation of Ajax (generic
usage
AMF?
ActionScript Message Format, aka Flash Remoting.
http://www.jamesward.com/2007/12/12/blazebench-why-you-want-amf-and-blazeds/
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA
It's been awhile but isn't that the screen and border colours?
Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/
-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 1:52 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest
To answer the question in the subject: depends what you really think
CFML's biggest asset is... I think it's a combination of easy to
learn / use and very helpful community, both of which are still
absolutely true in spades!
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Irvin Gomez ir...@pixel69.com wrote:
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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: 12 January 2011 22:40
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
It's been
Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 9:59 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
You got it Andrew :-)
Here is a harder one for you, i'm surprised I can even remember this.
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll probably also convert an essay about programming language
technologies (aimed at my colleagues at World Singles) into a blog
post at some point since it covers some of this ground too, as well as
digging more
-talk
Subject: RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
You got it Andrew :-)
Here is a harder one for you, i'm surprised I can even remember this.
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
There are two issues here:
* do you know OO / other 'modern' software development techniques?
* do you know more than one programming language?
If the answer is yes to both of those, you'll be considered employable
(was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
Yay good memory, it splits the screen in 2 halves with 2 colours using a
raster
interupt to leave the user with .normal control to type etc.
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now
Very true. I jump on forums for other technologies and none are as helpful
as the CF community.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 12:47
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
I am going
Nothing like a good reminder as to why I avoided assembler...
-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 16:59
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
You got it Andrew :-)
Here is a harder
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