RE: Charge for meetings

2011-02-08 Thread Will Swain
...@darktech.org] Sent: 08 February 2011 02:14 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Charge for meetings Unfuddle.com seems to be the most accessible for clients in terms of friendly terminology etc. And I use git with it. Hey wow. Me too :) I'm glad this topic came up as I'm in the market for a new centralized

RE: Charge for meetings

2011-02-07 Thread Mark A. Kruger
: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:27 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Charge for meetings +1 Remember, if you are a consultant, you are charging for your knowledge and experience. If you do coding that is part of it, so are meetings. A solicitor (or Lawyer

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-07 Thread Marc Funaro
I've done botha, and I vote iterative as well. Velocity seems to stay higher, and you can still make the bean counters happy by regularly discussing overall budget, timeline, and number/complexity of changes. It may not work for all clients, but I'd definitely encourage defining and trying

RE: Charge for meetings

2011-02-07 Thread Jason Fisher
...@cfwebtools.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:12 AM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Charge for meetings We also set a policy to charge in 15 minute increments. Any phone call is going to incur at least 15 minute charge. That way we have substantive discussions

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Marc Funaro subscripti...@advantex.net wrote: Sean, it would be interesting to learn what source code repository + ticketing system you use. Unfuddle.com seems to be the most accessible for clients in terms of friendly terminology etc. And I use git with it.

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-07 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Marc Funaro subscripti...@advantex.net wrote: Sean, it would be interesting to learn what source code repository + ticketing system you use. Unfuddle.com seems to be the most

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-07 Thread Justin Scott
Unfuddle.com seems to be the most accessible for clients in terms of friendly terminology etc. And I use git with it. Hey wow.  Me too :) I'm glad this topic came up as I'm in the market for a new centralized repository for git as well as an issue tracking system, so this looks to be just

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Cameron Childress
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? You should definitely charge for your time. How you charge

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Michael Grant
the scope must be very narrowly defined or it an run away from you. This could easily be a topic unto itself. It's very important before you begin a project to have a scope document. I call it a PDG (project development guideline) but you can call it whatever. The most important role of the

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Michael Grant
So shall we assume then Michael that you were just having a laugh with your goodbye cruel world post in the 300 dpi thread? On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Michael Firth mftr...@att.net wrote: Hi All, I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: This could easily be a topic unto itself. It's very important before you begin a project to have a scope document. I call it a PDG (project development guideline) but you can call it whatever. The most important role of the

RE: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Eric Roberts
I treat meeting as work. If you are a permanent employee, you get paid for the time you are in meeting... -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:43 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Charge for meetings On Sat, Feb 5, 2011

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Michael Grant
That sounds suspiciously like Big Design Up Front which is a practice I abandoned a long time ago... I think you've jumped to some conclusions. I never said anything about fixed costs. I said defining the scope of the project and making the client pay for deviations from it. I didn't say

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Michael Grant
The iterative approach embraces change rather than 'punishing' the client for wanting change. I wanted to reply to this separately because I feel that my other reply was about a disagreement on approach, whereas this single statement to me is just lipstick on the pig. It's the same bloody

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: That sounds suspiciously like Big Design Up Front which is a practice I think you've jumped to some conclusions. I never said anything about fixed costs. BDUF != fixed cost. Sorry if you incorrectly inferred that I was

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-06 Thread Sean Corfield
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: You can't budget on pay us $X an hour and we'll see where it goes. That's how a lot of agile practitioners do work tho'... very successfully (for both them and their clients). But I agree it doesn't work for all clients. --

Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Paul Alkema
Hi All, I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Phillip Vector
a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Maureen
consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Brian Cain
consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Jason Fisher
and focused. On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Paul Alkemapaulalkemadesi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Jason Durham
, Feb 5, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Paul Alkema paulalkemadesi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Michael Firth
Hi All, I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread Mark Drew
Feb 2011, at 23:08, Michael Firth mftr...@att.net wrote: Hi All, I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul

Re: Charge for meetings

2011-02-05 Thread wattw...@telarushq.com
Firth mftr...@att.net Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 16:08 Subject: Charge for meetings To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Hi All, I have a question; when you guys do consulting or freelance programming, do you charge for meetings? Or do you absorb meeting time into your fees? Thanks, Paul