Re: Is time for a change?
spoken like a true programmer. It's not a big it's a feature. On Tuesday, November 11, 2014, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: and riddled with security features LMAO. And by security features I, of course, actually meant security HOLES. :P ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359639 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Is time for a change?
I'd be interested to know which route you decide to take. I stopped taking on new clients about 2 years ago. I now look after only 3 and their bandwidth requirements are small. They've all been with me for a very long time and do produce a useful bit of income. My setup now is a windows 2003 server with CF7 / SQL 2000. Old, I know, but it works and there has been nothing of use to me in the upgrades, certainly nothing to make it worth me paying the crazy upgrade costs. The server sits in my garage on a business broadband line, not ideal, I know this, especially as my garage has been converted into a headshot studio for my photography business! I don't have time for the major hassle of porting my sites from CF7 to whatever CF is on now. I also integrating one of the sites quite heavily into my SmarterMail server, such as automated generation of mail list members and I pull the contents of one of the mail lists into an archive made available on the website. Ideally I'd like to get everything shifted to a VPS, but would I be able to run these old applications? And where could I get an inexpensive yet reliable service? I'd appreciate any ideas, please. -Original Message- From: Rick Eidson [mailto:cfh...@kchost.net] Sent: 08 November 2014 01:48 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Is time for a change? Oh I know all about the email hosting.. .Before I moved to Hostek I had a T1 line into my basement. Did all my own hosting, I had 2 server cabinets with all Dells...(I still have them) pretty good setup. I started my company with that and then the T1 became outdated and very expensive. I used ArgoSoft Mail Server, actually really liked it but the SPAM and Blacklist were a nightmare. But back then my company was bigger with closer to 100 domains/clients. I formed a partnership with another person who pretty much screwed me over. We split up the company (lost a lot of clients in the breakup) and I formed Eidson Empire, LLC. and moved to Hostek for my provider. I still not sure what I am going to do.. I think the VPS will be more than I can afford right now. Maybe if I land about 10 more clients I can justify it. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359610 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
While there might not be features you're compelled to upgrade to get, security *should* be something of concern. CF7 is ancient, completely unsupported, and riddled with security features. That said, I cannot in good conscience recommend paying for a CF license, no matter what version or what features it might or might not have. I would *strongly* recommend that you research a VPS from Vivio ( https://www.viviotech.net/) and use Railo. There's a reasonable chance that you will be able to run your old CF7 apps as-is on Railo, as long as you haven't done much dipping into the underlying classes or undocumented features. Vivio's support is second to none, and they are a huge supporter of the CFML community. HTH On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote: I'd be interested to know which route you decide to take. I stopped taking on new clients about 2 years ago. I now look after only 3 and their bandwidth requirements are small. They've all been with me for a very long time and do produce a useful bit of income. My setup now is a windows 2003 server with CF7 / SQL 2000. Old, I know, but it works and there has been nothing of use to me in the upgrades, certainly nothing to make it worth me paying the crazy upgrade costs. The server sits in my garage on a business broadband line, not ideal, I know this, especially as my garage has been converted into a headshot studio for my photography business! I don't have time for the major hassle of porting my sites from CF7 to whatever CF is on now. I also integrating one of the sites quite heavily into my SmarterMail server, such as automated generation of mail list members and I pull the contents of one of the mail lists into an archive made available on the website. Ideally I'd like to get everything shifted to a VPS, but would I be able to run these old applications? And where could I get an inexpensive yet reliable service? I'd appreciate any ideas, please. -Original Message- From: Rick Eidson [mailto:cfh...@kchost.net] Sent: 08 November 2014 01:48 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Is time for a change? Oh I know all about the email hosting.. .Before I moved to Hostek I had a T1 line into my basement. Did all my own hosting, I had 2 server cabinets with all Dells...(I still have them) pretty good setup. I started my company with that and then the T1 became outdated and very expensive. I used ArgoSoft Mail Server, actually really liked it but the SPAM and Blacklist were a nightmare. But back then my company was bigger with closer to 100 domains/clients. I formed a partnership with another person who pretty much screwed me over. We split up the company (lost a lot of clients in the breakup) and I formed Eidson Empire, LLC. and moved to Hostek for my provider. I still not sure what I am going to do.. I think the VPS will be more than I can afford right now. Maybe if I land about 10 more clients I can justify it. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359611 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: and riddled with security features LMAO. And by security features I, of course, actually meant security HOLES. :P ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359612 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
Ideally I'd like to get everything shifted to a VPS, but would I be able to run these old applications? And where could I get an inexpensive yet reliable service? If your primary goal is just to get this infrastructure out of your garage, you could set it up in Amazon. It's not going to be as cheap as a VPS, but you could run exactly what you liked, and if you don't have very much server load you might even be able to qualify for the AWS Free Tier. You'd have to set everything up yourself though, more or less. And as Matt points out, you may have some unintended security features you don't want. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business (SDVOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor- authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359614 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
you are using 2 EOL products there which are no longer supported or updated, CF7 and SQL 2000 Windows Server 2003 is EOL in about 7 months, so you will not get any updates for that either beyond that date. If you are hosting this off your ADSL, then that presumably means no firewall other than the one on the ADSL router. I'm sorry to inform you that that your server is most definitely vulnerable, it took me just a few seconds to find your ColdFusion admin, and just a few more minutes to hack it. Go look in your ColdFusion data sources and you will see a a new data source I just created with a message for you. Hopefully this will prove a point and show you that you have been lucky until now. I am not a hacker, so if I can do it this easily, imagine what a real hacker would do. It is sheer luck that you didn't get hacked already, which is because it hosts only 3 small low traffic clients, so no hacker has come across it so far. You will be lucky to find any host offering such old EOL software, and anyone who is still offering that will be putting all the risk and onus on you regarding security as they would not be able to support such a setup. I very much doubt you have anything on those old sites that wont run on Railo though, in fact it will more likely run on Railo than it will on CF10/11 Your SQL 2000 databases will work fine on SQL Server 2008 or 2012 express edition which is free. So the only real cost to you is the VPS itself, which you should get with Windows server 2012, which will also be free from many hosts On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Jenny Gavin-Wear jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk wrote: I'd be interested to know which route you decide to take. I stopped taking on new clients about 2 years ago. I now look after only 3 and their bandwidth requirements are small. They've all been with me for a very long time and do produce a useful bit of income. My setup now is a windows 2003 server with CF7 / SQL 2000. Old, I know, but it works and there has been nothing of use to me in the upgrades, certainly nothing to make it worth me paying the crazy upgrade costs. The server sits in my garage on a business broadband line, not ideal, I know this, especially as my garage has been converted into a headshot studio for my photography business! I don't have time for the major hassle of porting my sites from CF7 to whatever CF is on now. I also integrating one of the sites quite heavily into my SmarterMail server, such as automated generation of mail list members and I pull the contents of one of the mail lists into an archive made available on the website. Ideally I'd like to get everything shifted to a VPS, but would I be able to run these old applications? And where could I get an inexpensive yet reliable service? I'd appreciate any ideas, please. -Original Message- From: Rick Eidson [mailto:cfh...@kchost.net] Sent: 08 November 2014 01:48 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Is time for a change? Oh I know all about the email hosting.. .Before I moved to Hostek I had a T1 line into my basement. Did all my own hosting, I had 2 server cabinets with all Dells...(I still have them) pretty good setup. I started my company with that and then the T1 became outdated and very expensive. I used ArgoSoft Mail Server, actually really liked it but the SPAM and Blacklist were a nightmare. But back then my company was bigger with closer to 100 domains/clients. I formed a partnership with another person who pretty much screwed me over. We split up the company (lost a lot of clients in the breakup) and I formed Eidson Empire, LLC. and moved to Hostek for my provider. I still not sure what I am going to do.. I think the VPS will be more than I can afford right now. Maybe if I land about 10 more clients I can justify it. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Is time for a change?
Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
I only have one response when people are looking for CFML hosting. Use Vivio! https://www.viviotech.net/ I was once told, If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. As such, I'll refrain from commenting on any other CFML host. :-) On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
Im working with Hostek for a client and so far theyve been great. What issues are you seeing? Have you talked to them? Theyve been very responsive to our clients needs and requests. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Nov 7, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359567 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
Agreed! Vivio rocks! I have had no problems with them for years and years. Very awesome support as well. On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: I only have one response when people are looking for CFML hosting. Use Vivio! https://www.viviotech.net/ I was once told, If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. As such, I'll refrain from commenting on any other CFML host. :-) On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359568 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Is time for a change?
I have been using them for several years with a number of clients and haven't had any issues. -Original Message- From: Rick Eidson [mailto:cfh...@kchost.net] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:16 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Is time for a change? Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359569 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
what often happens is that some clients will have a couple of issues and will suddenly forget how many years of GREAT service they have had and threaten to leave at the drop of hat. So if you have been happen with them till now, then at least talk to them about your issues. You did not mention whether you have dedicated or shared hosting. If you have shared hosting, then please take the time to read this: http://www.michaels.me.uk/post.cfm/why-coldfusion-railo-are-not-suited-to-shared-hosting These problems are likely even worse with CF10 and 11 If you have dedicated hosting then you probably just need some expert fine tuning, if you are not able to do it yourself, then ask your host, or try an external resource such as www.carehart.org, or there are people here that could assist you performance tuning your server. I can certainly help you with Windows servers. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I have been using them for several years with a number of clients and haven't had any issues. -Original Message- From: Rick Eidson [mailto:cfh...@kchost.net] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:16 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Is time for a change? Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359570 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Is time for a change?
Mail Servers going down, Web servers going down seams the turnaround isn't as quick as it used to be. I was wondering if they may have been purchased by someone else. I have a particular client that seems every time I turn around their services aren't working. They are about to bail. I don't have a lot of clients I like to keep them. rick -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@trunkful.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:23 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Is time for a change? I'm working with Hostek for a client and so far they've been great. What issues are you seeing? Have you talked to them? They've been very responsive to our clients needs and requests. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Nov 7, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359572 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
I moved a client to Hostek from Newtek/Chrystaltech earlier this year and it has been a big improvement. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359571 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
Thanks Russ and Wil for the nice comments. We understand that any hosting issues can be concerning. This year we've faced many challenges, and have been aggressive about resolving them. We never want a customer to feel like they have to look elsewhere so if there's something I can do for you Rick, please reach out to me and I'll make sure your taken care of. Jon C. -- Jon Cavanaugh j...@hostek.com Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359573 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
Yep Jordan and crew at Vivio are simply the best I've ever worked with at a hosting company -full stop *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-11-07 11:26 AM, Kelly Matthews wrote: Agreed! Vivio rocks! I have had no problems with them for years and years. Very awesome support as well. On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: I only have one response when people are looking for CFML hosting. Use Vivio! https://www.viviotech.net/ I was once told, If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. As such, I'll refrain from commenting on any other CFML host. :-) On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Anyone using Hostek? I have been with them for. well a long time. But in the last year it seems there have been more problems than ever. I really hate the idea of moving all my clients but I am wondering if in the long run will I be better off. Any thoughts? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359574 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
Could not agree more with Russ' comments on CF hosting in his blog. I'll never go back to shared hosting. I've got a couple of Viviotech VPS' that I'm pretty happy with. One runs my personal stuff and old web site from when I was a developer. Another runs about 30 low-traffic sites that work with my business. A VPS is a great step up if you aren't ready to take the plunge and pay for a full-on server. Insofar as full-on servers are concerned, nothing can match the hardware that you get at Cybercon, but then again you are also expected to pretty much be self-sufficient, there. Think about doing a VPS instead of shared hosting. Just for starters you get to keep all the hosting fees. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359575 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Is time for a change?
Lots of great responses... Like I said I really hate the idea of moving. The VPS sounds interesting and I believe Hostek offers that as well as dedicated. I have a pretty large SQL Server database with them now for my largest client and its probably going to grow. I only have about 25 domains 1 of them is on a Linux server the rest are all Windows CF servers. I am also getting ready to add another one. I guess I can check into it and see what cost would be... the last thing I need to do is increase my overhead. Right now I am paying Hostek about $130/m for just the basic CF hosting for the 25 domains not counting the adons and database cost. I would also want to make the transition as seamless as possible...preferably my clients know nothing about the move. Does VPS handle everything? MSSQL Database, SmarterMail or just the websites with Coldfusion? I guess a lot of these questions I should be asking Hostek... Rick -Original Message- From: Money Pit [mailto:websitema...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Is time for a change? Could not agree more with Russ' comments on CF hosting in his blog. I'll never go back to shared hosting. I've got a couple of Viviotech VPS' that I'm pretty happy with. One runs my personal stuff and old web site from when I was a developer. Another runs about 30 low-traffic sites that work with my business. A VPS is a great step up if you aren't ready to take the plunge and pay for a full-on server. Insofar as full-on servers are concerned, nothing can match the hardware that you get at Cybercon, but then again you are also expected to pretty much be self-sufficient, there. Think about doing a VPS instead of shared hosting. Just for starters you get to keep all the hosting fees. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359576 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Is time for a change?
Ideally you need 1 VPs for each service, web db and mail, plus you would need a smartermail license, unless hostek are a bundle provider in which case you can get a free 250 user license with the VPS. Running a mail server is way more work than people realise though, it is not just keeping it running, it is deal with spam, spoofing, back scatter, black listing, spf and domain key issues and more. One alternative is to use zohomail which is free for basic service. At the end of the day shared hosting is like going to the $1 store in comparison, so you get what you pay for. On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 0:26 AM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Lots of great responses... Like I said I really hate the idea of moving. The VPS sounds interesting and I believe Hostek offers that as well as dedicated. I have a pretty large SQL Server database with them now for my largest client and its probably going to grow. I only have about 25 domains 1 of them is on a Linux server the rest are all Windows CF servers. I am also getting ready to add another one. I guess I can check into it and see what cost would be... the last thing I need to do is increase my overhead. Right now I am paying Hostek about $130/m for just the basic CF hosting for the 25 domains not counting the adons and database cost. I would also want to make the transition as seamless as possible...preferably my clients know nothing about the move. Does VPS handle everything? MSSQL Database, SmarterMail or just the websites with Coldfusion? I guess a lot of these questions I should be asking Hostek... Rick -Original Message- From: Money Pit [mailto:websitema...@gmail.com javascript:;] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Is time for a change? Could not agree more with Russ' comments on CF hosting in his blog. I'll never go back to shared hosting. I've got a couple of Viviotech VPS' that I'm pretty happy with. One runs my personal stuff and old web site from when I was a developer. Another runs about 30 low-traffic sites that work with my business. A VPS is a great step up if you aren't ready to take the plunge and pay for a full-on server. Insofar as full-on servers are concerned, nothing can match the hardware that you get at Cybercon, but then again you are also expected to pretty much be self-sufficient, there. Think about doing a VPS instead of shared hosting. Just for starters you get to keep all the hosting fees. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359577 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Is time for a change?
Oh I know all about the email hosting.. .Before I moved to Hostek I had a T1 line into my basement. Did all my own hosting, I had 2 server cabinets with all Dells...(I still have them) pretty good setup. I started my company with that and then the T1 became outdated and very expensive. I used ArgoSoft Mail Server, actually really liked it but the SPAM and Blacklist were a nightmare. But back then my company was bigger with closer to 100 domains/clients. I formed a partnership with another person who pretty much screwed me over. We split up the company (lost a lot of clients in the breakup) and I formed Eidson Empire, LLC. and moved to Hostek for my provider. I still not sure what I am going to do.. I think the VPS will be more than I can afford right now. Maybe if I land about 10 more clients I can justify it. Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:49 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Is time for a change? Ideally you need 1 VPs for each service, web db and mail, plus you would need a smartermail license, unless hostek are a bundle provider in which case you can get a free 250 user license with the VPS. Running a mail server is way more work than people realise though, it is not just keeping it running, it is deal with spam, spoofing, back scatter, black listing, spf and domain key issues and more. One alternative is to use zohomail which is free for basic service. At the end of the day shared hosting is like going to the $1 store in comparison, so you get what you pay for. On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 0:26 AM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: Lots of great responses... Like I said I really hate the idea of moving. The VPS sounds interesting and I believe Hostek offers that as well as dedicated. I have a pretty large SQL Server database with them now for my largest client and its probably going to grow. I only have about 25 domains 1 of them is on a Linux server the rest are all Windows CF servers. I am also getting ready to add another one. I guess I can check into it and see what cost would be... the last thing I need to do is increase my overhead. Right now I am paying Hostek about $130/m for just the basic CF hosting for the 25 domains not counting the adons and database cost. I would also want to make the transition as seamless as possible...preferably my clients know nothing about the move. Does VPS handle everything? MSSQL Database, SmarterMail or just the websites with Coldfusion? I guess a lot of these questions I should be asking Hostek... Rick -Original Message- From: Money Pit [mailto:websitema...@gmail.com javascript:;] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:02 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Is time for a change? Could not agree more with Russ' comments on CF hosting in his blog. I'll never go back to shared hosting. I've got a couple of Viviotech VPS' that I'm pretty happy with. One runs my personal stuff and old web site from when I was a developer. Another runs about 30 low-traffic sites that work with my business. A VPS is a great step up if you aren't ready to take the plunge and pay for a full-on server. Insofar as full-on servers are concerned, nothing can match the hardware that you get at Cybercon, but then again you are also expected to pretty much be self-sufficient, there. Think about doing a VPS instead of shared hosting. Just for starters you get to keep all the hosting fees. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359578 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
