I was browsing around some old OO ColdFusion posts and saw a lot of talk by
Tom MInderson. It seems like he has about 50 posts spread out (by doing a
quick Google search). They all pretty much say the same thing:
OO complicates things for datacentric applications that ColdFusion is
targeting.
Some anti - oo here: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
Justin Treher wrote:
I was browsing around some old OO ColdFusion posts and saw a lot of
talk by “Tom MInderson”. It seems like he has about 50 posts spread
out (by doing a quick Google search). They all pretty much say the
Sounds like someone who doesn't get OO and has decided that he must be right
and the rest of the programming world is wrong.
On 8/29/07, Justin Treher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do see his point that trying to map objects to a relational database is
where OOP starts to feel really unnatural. In
Yeah, I read a bit of that. I also think Minderson responded to that. He
noted that it was very one sided.
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Just the fact that it is hosted at geocities should give you all the
information you need. ;-)
On 8/29/07, Brian Peddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some anti - oo here: http://www.geocities.com/tablizer/oopbad.htm
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I guess I need to dive into an ORM now that I'm experiencing the problem it
solves.
Composition, delegation, and aggregation seem to be tough concepts for me to
understand with respect to when I should be using them vs. a structure that
is filled from the database.
Example:
Blog has a
I like OO. I don't do full OO models in CF much. Java (where I spend
the most time outside of CF) is a different story - and one where I
have tools such as Hibernate ;). I really just wanted to comment on
this statement:
In addition, with the business
objects we deal with, it seems
Interesting reads, however a bit pushy on the I'm right stance.
However I have to wonder... it OO really a good way to go? I'll preface by
saying I've studied OO (java), though never had a chance to use it due to
budget and time constraints (read: I'm inexperienced and that would drag the
hmm... well I didn't intend to send this after writing it... since after I
wrote I thought.. hmm.. I'm just thinking out loud. however my mouse and hand
conspired against me...
So feel free to chuckle and guffaw.. :)
BN
Brent Nicholas - There, I guess King George will be able to read that!
On 8/29/07, Justin Treher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess I need to dive into an ORM now that I'm experiencing the problem
it solves.
Composition, delegation, and aggregation seem to be tough concepts for me
to understand with respect to when I should be using them vs. a structure
that
Gotcha Peter. I was looking at enumerated values in Java and that that might
be the way to go. However, what about giving users an interface to edit
those values? Should they, at that point, become an object with a GW and
DAO? Or is there a simpler way to provide an interface to edit those list
Brian K.
You sound just like the Head First OOAD book.
The one thing that is always guaranteed in software development is CHANGE. J
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The key there is to make sure that you keep things as encapsulated as
possible so that if, later, you decide you DO need a full blow
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On 8/29/07, Brent Nicholas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OO's fine if you: have a lot of expertise in it and write applications you
host
Not sure what hosting has to do with it.
OO's fine if you: will need to use common objects (get from db, store in
db, look up customer, get site details)
I cheat. I have a business object called ³value list² which allows the users
to manage all of their simple value lists and I gen the CRUD for the value
lists, so users can manage their state list, order status list, employee
type list, etc without us having to generate a bunch of code for each by
Smarter minds used to say 540K ought to be enough for everybody, and even
they got away with it.
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Brian Kotek wrote:
Sounds like someone who doesn't get OO and has decided that he must be right
and the rest of the programming world is wrong.
On 8/29/07, Justin Treher
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On 8/29/07, Stijn Dreezen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Smarter minds used to say 540K ought to be enough for everybody, and even
they got away with it.
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I think the missing word is memory as in RAM on a motherboard.
Brian Kotek said the following on 8/29/2007 8:05 PM:
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On 8/29/07, *Stijn Dreezen* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Smarter minds used to say 540K ought to be enough for everybody,
and even
they got
First, I think it's significant that these are old posts. Second, I
see this sort of thing alot where people seem to think that there is
only one true answer to a problem and proceed to ferociously defend
that solution as if there were no other possible solution as cool as
the one they are
Peter, I'm very curious about the implementation of this interface.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bell
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:30 PM
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I cheat. I have a
On 8/29/07, Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS: No hogs were harmed during the writing of this email.
But were any cleaned? I hear they don't much like that. :)
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If God didn't want smoke in the air, he wouldn't have told us to burn
witches. Stephen Colbert
Now blogging
Peter -
I see you have a blog entry about it from March. I'll check that out.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Bell
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I
Wednesday, August 29, 2007, 1:33:12 PM, one spoke:
JT Then he goes on about this Set Theory. [snip] What the heck is set
JT theory programming?
Um, I'm not going to tread in the same old OO/anti-OO exercise but I
can't quite let this go.
I'd recommend finding and reading a good book on
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