Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Sam]

Thanks to Andrea! I will also make a short video about how I work with 
timelines to give a little summary. The video will follow.


Sam

On 29.12.19 17:54, Phyllis Smith wrote:


Andrea, thanks for clarification and the short easy to understand 
demos on "Multiple Timelines". I never know the correct terminology 
and that Open Timeline is something different.



"Multiple timelines" not OpenTimelineIO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOw6f8IBIho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j0al5nO83M
[In my opinion:] OpenTimelineIO I think it's better to postpone it
because it's a project still in beta, written in Python and based on
QT. Maybe it's better not to waste time on it now:
https://github.com/PixarAnimationStudios/OpenTimelineIO
However, the idea of a standard EDL that allows you to convert and use
the EDLs of various programs is extraordinary and I hope it will be
adopted in the future.


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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Sam]

The problem is that professional NLEs have been using this feature for a 
long time, but Cinelerra has not. All detours to simulate multiple 
timelines are only detours and no real solutions.
"Nested Clips" and "Edit EDL" are not multiple timelines. Nested Clips 
and Edit EDL functions can be used to program the desired timeline feature.


OpenTimeline could be used as a basis for this. We want to be an 
alternative to the commercial NLEs (Windows replacement), but Cinelerra 
would need to be able to handle a relatively simple feature like 
timelines. Users of the commercial NLEs know this feature very well and 
all previous methods on Cinelerra are not multiple timelines. For this 
reason, I work almost exclusively with DV Resolve, because I have this 
feature there. However, I'm not a friend of non-open source software, 
but unfortunately I have no choice but to work with it.


The timeline feature is not a big magic work, the basics were already 
done by GG with the new EDL features. The EDL & Nested Clips feature 
would only need to be extended by a few additional functions.


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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

What Sam wrote about "ability to work with multiple timelines", seems to 
me it is implemented in the new, last, features; or I wrong?
Sorry, but I have not tested it, for my computer problems. I only see 
the Phyllis' screencast.



Watching again the Phyllis' screencast https://streamable.com/3k6wl I 
don't see the Title of the Project in the Program window, then I try to 
guess.
When you click on "Open EDL" option, does the Title of the Program 
window change

from "Cinelerra: nameOfMaster"
to "Cinelerra: nameOfNested :: nameOfMaster"
or "Cinelerra: nameOfNested > nameOfMaster"
for example?

So, an User can see on which Nested project He/She are working.

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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Andrea paz]

I agree with Sam: it is true that we can easily do with nested
clips/nested assets or with the various sub-projects. But the ability
to work on separate sections of the EDL opens up many features and
possibilities (a future support for metadata and ICC, for example; or
compatibility with other EDLs considered standards [OpenTimeline]).
In addition, making the workflow of CINGG similar to that of other
NLEs makes it easier and more attractive for new users to use.
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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I always use Nesting feature, for more complex projects, like showed in 
the my old screencasts.

https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2019-September/001051.html

And in the CinelerraGG_manual_WorkInProgress (well done) in 5.7.8 
section you can find more information.

https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_manual_WIP.pdf

Yes, if you update one, or more Sequences, the Master Project is not 
update with the last changes that you had done on them, but you can 
re-load the updated Sequences and overwrite them in the Timeline if you 
work with method. (And I use, or better, I  used also Proxy with Nested)

I am speaking about, before the last changes; I only saw the Phyllis' Demo.

IgorBeg


Il 28/12/2019 8.52, Haldun ALTAN ha scritto:


Hello,

I don't know if i get this right or wrong but i already worked with 
several timelines in cinelerra.


They were, in your exemple, "intro", "part 1", "part 2", "credits" and 
each of it in was in a seperate project that you could put together by 
only copy and paste, from one project to another.


Is the différence is they are now in the same project ?

Haldun.

Le 28/12/2019 à 00:41, Sam a écrit :


One of the greatest strengths of commercial NLEs is the ability to 
work with multiple timelines.


Why work with multiple timelines?

A movie project can be divided into several sections such as intro, 
main part 1, main part 2 and credits.


From this I make four timelines called Intro, Part 1, Part 2, Credits.

This splits the whole movie project into four parts and allows faster 
working in the main window, because not the whole movie project is 
loaded in the main window, but only a quarter of the movie. This 
speeds up the work a lot and allows other contributors to work on 
different parts of a film project and finally add them together and 
make an overall coordination.


When the intro, main part 1, main part 2 and the credits are 
finished, these timelines are joined together to form an overall 
timeline.


A new timeline called Composition is created and Timeline Intro, 
Timeline Part 1, Timeline Part 2 and Timeline Credits are dragged 
into it.


Basically this feature is an extension of the EDL feature.

I created the photomontage very fast and therefore they have a lot of 
potential for improvement. The final solution can of course look 
completely different, the pictures only serve to illustrate my idea.


Sam

On 26.12.19 03:12, Phyllis Smith wrote:
Never hurts to make suggestions -- sometimes things get done when an 
unexpected need arises here.


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 5:36 PM Sam > wrote:


Absolutely fantastic! I have been wishing for this feature for
so long, but due to his long wish list I did not dare to say.
This feature is the basis for several timelines. I miss the
timeline feature in Cinelerra for a long time. If you agree, I
would like to make some suggestions on this topic for January.
This EDL feature can be extended relatively easily in my opinion.

Sam

On 25.12.19 05:59, Phyllis Smith wrote:

With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included
with your project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example,
if you have a nested clip that originally had several plugins
added to it before it was nested, you can edit those plugin
parameter values.  Previously to make any changes to these EDL
clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as
described below by the .

In addition a couple of modifications related to this are
noticeable to include the following:
  - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which
was "Nest" is now "Nest to Media"
  - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to
Media", the nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder

for example:
1) load some test media, mode replace project
2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and
press ok.  clip is created
3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item
Open EDL
5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in
the main menu bar.
7) timeline is restored to original media.
8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline. 
The effect is visible.


 - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL"
for the highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the
clip will be brought up on the timeline. *VERY IMPORTANT to
note*, the previous timeline EDL is "pushed onto a stack" (this
is programmer talk) so it is remembered and to get back to that
you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by clicking
on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline
above where the Proxy 

Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Haldun ALTAN]

  
  
Hello,
I don't know if i get this right or wrong but i already worked
  with several timelines in cinelerra. 

They were, in your exemple, "intro", "part 1", "part 2",
  "credits" and each of it in was in a seperate project that you
  could put together by only copy and paste, from one project to
  another. 

Is the différence is they are now in the same project ?
Haldun.

Le 28/12/2019 à 00:41, Sam a écrit :


  
  One of the greatest strengths of commercial NLEs is the ability
to work with multiple timelines.

Why work with multiple timelines?

A movie project can be divided into several sections such as
intro, main part 1, main part 2 and credits.

From this I make four timelines called Intro, Part 1, Part 2,
Credits.

This splits the whole movie project into four parts and allows
faster working in the main window, because not the whole movie
project is loaded in the main window, but only a quarter of the
movie. This speeds up the work a lot and allows other
contributors to work on different parts of a film project and
finally add them together and make an overall coordination.

When the intro, main part 1, main part 2 and the credits are
finished, these timelines are joined together to form an overall
timeline. 

A new timeline called Composition is created and Timeline Intro,
Timeline Part 1, Timeline Part 2 and Timeline Credits are
dragged into it.

Basically this feature is an extension of the EDL feature.
  I created the photomontage very fast and therefore they have a
lot of potential for improvement. The final solution can of
course look completely different, the pictures only serve to
illustrate my idea.
  Sam
  
  On 26.12.19 03:12, Phyllis Smith
wrote:
  
  


  Never hurts
to make suggestions -- sometimes things get done when an
unexpected need arises here.
  



  On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 5:36
PM Sam  wrote:
  
  

  Absolutely fantastic! I have been wishing for this
feature for so long, but due to his long wish list I did
not dare to say.  
This feature is the basis for several timelines. I miss
the timeline feature in Cinelerra for a long time. If
you agree, I would like to make some suggestions on this
topic for January. This EDL feature can be extended
relatively easily in my opinion.
  Sam
  
  On 25.12.19 05:59, Phyllis Smith wrote:
  
  

  With
the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is
included with your project as Clips, Nested Clips,
or Xml.  For example, if you have a nested clip that
originally had several plugins added to it before it
was nested, you can edit those plugin parameter
values.  Previously to make any changes to these EDL
clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip
from scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and
button click as described below by the **.
  
  
  
  In
addition a couple of modifications related to this
are noticeable to include the following:
    -
in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the
wording which was "Nest" is now "Nest to Media"
    -
in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest
to Media", the nested clip is only displayed in the
Media folder
  
  
  for
example:
  1)
load some test media, mode replace project
  2)
highlight a selection and press create clip.  add
notes and press ok.  clip is created
  3)
in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is
present
  4)
select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu
item Open EDL
  5)
timeline changes to just the clip content.
  6)
add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the
[1] in the main menu bar.

Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[daniel-cinelerra-gg]

Thanks Phyllis!

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> reminder, although tested here as much as possible, there could still be
> new and old bugs lurking so use caution.  Other reminder of demo location:
>https://streamable.com/3k6wl
>
> Just know that the *naming is solved now or for details*, read the list
> of changes and other things below:
>
> 1 - When nesting clips en masse, the timestamp is added followed by the
> name so that they are unique.  The name in the case of an .xml file is
> without the directory paths.
> 2 - Truncation of the names should no longer be an issue.
> 3 - in the Media and Clip folder, there are now "Close EDL" options.  This
> was added because if someone was just trying to figure out what "Open EDL"
> meant without having read any documentation, they would never guess to
> click on the # in the upper right corner of the timeline, and would think
> that they lost there original session.  In addition in the case of where
> you have opened a EDL, and you no longer see that clip in the folder, the
> right mouse button where no media is highlighted will also display the
> Close EDL option.
> 4 - If you have nested an .xml file in the Clip folder so that now it is
> in the Media folder, when you unnest it via "EDL to Clip", it will now have
> a name of the next available Clip # but the comment contains the previous
> name so you can tell where it came from.
> 5 - If naming is confusing to you, you can easily change the name for
> these clips in either the Clip or Media folder because they are not real
> files at this point.  To do so, highlight the clip name in Resources, click
> on Info and type in new name.
> 6 - Because it may be confusing and usually unnecessary, a previously
> unmentioned addition in all of this is "backup" updates.  Automatically
> Cinelerra saves a backup when certain changes are made or you can always
> use the shortcut "b" to do one yourself, although keep in mind it will be
> overwritten whenever Cinelerra wants to do another backup.  Now there is a
> shortcut for the shortcut "b" -- your fingers never have to even leave the
> mouse -- just click on the #.  If # is at 0, it backs up to backup.xml, if
> at 1, it backs up to backup1.xml and so on ... up to backup9.xml.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 8:34 PM Phyllis Smith 
> wrote:
>
>> A GIT checkin was done about an hour ago to address some of the issues
>> and some clean up.  It works OK on fast computers but when GG created a
>> Debian 9 build that was done on a slower computer there was a problem that
>> he has to fix tomorrow.  Workaround if testing Edit Edl-s "Nest to Media"
>> is to not be using Vicons in the Resources window -- just use the text
>> option instead.
>>
>> Bugs fixed will be described tomorrow when slower computer Vicons are
>> working.
>>
>>> One bug I've found: if the path to the imported EDL is long, it gets
>>> truncated.  It would be nice to have th option of giving our own names to
>>> the nested EDLs, or if they would assume the name of the origin file (maybe
>>> they already do, but it's being truncated in my case).
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Phyllis Smith]

Fixes for the below have been used to build new static tars for Debian 9/10
and Mint 18 at:

https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-debian9-x86_64-static.txz
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-debian10-x86_64-static.txz
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-mint18-x86_64-static.txz

The fixes have not yet been checked into GIT for others to build.  Just a
reminder, although tested here as much as possible, there could still be
new and old bugs lurking so use caution.  Other reminder of demo location:
   https://streamable.com/3k6wl

Just know that the *naming is solved now or for details*, read the list of
changes and other things below:

1 - When nesting clips en masse, the timestamp is added followed by the
name so that they are unique.  The name in the case of an .xml file is
without the directory paths.
2 - Truncation of the names should no longer be an issue.
3 - in the Media and Clip folder, there are now "Close EDL" options.  This
was added because if someone was just trying to figure out what "Open EDL"
meant without having read any documentation, they would never guess to
click on the # in the upper right corner of the timeline, and would think
that they lost there original session.  In addition in the case of where
you have opened a EDL, and you no longer see that clip in the folder, the
right mouse button where no media is highlighted will also display the
Close EDL option.
4 - If you have nested an .xml file in the Clip folder so that now it is in
the Media folder, when you unnest it via "EDL to Clip", it will now have a
name of the next available Clip # but the comment contains the previous
name so you can tell where it came from.
5 - If naming is confusing to you, you can easily change the name for these
clips in either the Clip or Media folder because they are not real files at
this point.  To do so, highlight the clip name in Resources, click on Info
and type in new name.
6 - Because it may be confusing and usually unnecessary, a previously
unmentioned addition in all of this is "backup" updates.  Automatically
Cinelerra saves a backup when certain changes are made or you can always
use the shortcut "b" to do one yourself, although keep in mind it will be
overwritten whenever Cinelerra wants to do another backup.  Now there is a
shortcut for the shortcut "b" -- your fingers never have to even leave the
mouse -- just click on the #.  If # is at 0, it backs up to backup.xml, if
at 1, it backs up to backup1.xml and so on ... up to backup9.xml.



On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 8:34 PM Phyllis Smith 
wrote:

> A GIT checkin was done about an hour ago to address some of the issues and
> some clean up.  It works OK on fast computers but when GG created a Debian
> 9 build that was done on a slower computer there was a problem that he has
> to fix tomorrow.  Workaround if testing Edit Edl-s "Nest to Media" is to
> not be using Vicons in the Resources window -- just use the text option
> instead.
>
> Bugs fixed will be described tomorrow when slower computer Vicons are
> working.
>
>> One bug I've found: if the path to the imported EDL is long, it gets
>> truncated.  It would be nice to have th option of giving our own names to
>> the nested EDLs, or if they would assume the name of the origin file (maybe
>> they already do, but it's being truncated in my case).
>>
>>
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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Phyllis Smith]

A GIT checkin was done about an hour ago to address some of the issues and
some clean up.  It works OK on fast computers but when GG created a Debian
9 build that was done on a slower computer there was a problem that he has
to fix tomorrow.  Workaround if testing Edit Edl-s "Nest to Media" is to
not be using Vicons in the Resources window -- just use the text option
instead.

Bugs fixed will be described tomorrow when slower computer Vicons are
working.

> One bug I've found: if the path to the imported EDL is long, it gets
> truncated.  It would be nice to have th option of giving our own names to
> the nested EDLs, or if they would assume the name of the origin file (maybe
> they already do, but it's being truncated in my case).
>
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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Phyllis Smith]

Never hurts to make suggestions -- sometimes things get done when an
unexpected need arises here.

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 5:36 PM Sam  wrote:

> Absolutely fantastic! I have been wishing for this feature for so long,
> but due to his long wish list I did not dare to say.
> This feature is the basis for several timelines. I miss the timeline
> feature in Cinelerra for a long time. If you agree, I would like to make
> some suggestions on this topic for January. This EDL feature can be
> extended relatively easily in my opinion.
>
> Sam
>
> On 25.12.19 05:59, Phyllis Smith wrote:
>
> With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included with your
> project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example, if you have a nested
> clip that originally had several plugins added to it before it was nested,
> you can edit those plugin parameter values.  Previously to make any changes
> to these EDL clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
> scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as described below
> by the .
>
> In addition a couple of modifications related to this are noticeable to
> include the following:
>   - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which was "Nest"
> is now "Nest to Media"
>   - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to Media", the
> nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder
>
> for example:
> 1) load some test media, mode replace project
> 2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and press ok.
> clip is created
> 3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
> 4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item Open EDL
> 5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
> 6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in the main
> menu bar.
> 7) timeline is restored to original media.
> 8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline.  The effect is
> visible.
>
>  - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL" for the
> highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the clip will be brought up
> on the timeline.  *VERY IMPORTANT to note*, the previous timeline EDL is
> "pushed onto a stack" (this is programmer talk) so it is remembered and to
> get back to that you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by
> clicking on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline above
> where the Proxy switch button would be.  Usually this button will read 1 if
> you choose "Open EDL" and then 0 when back to your original timeline.  You
> can go several levels deep so instead of 1, it could be 2, 3, ... but I got
> to tell you that you can get lost if you overdo it.  Once the clip is open
> on the timeline, you can edit it however you want.
>
>   - in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the Nested clip will
> be located here
>   - in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now called "EDL
> to clip" which results in the nested clip being reverted to a clip and back
> into the clip folder with only a name of "Clip #".  The nested clip is also
> still in the Media folder.
>   - in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open EDL" as
> described for clips above.  But in this case when you Open EDL and edit the
> changes, those changes will take affect on any and all occurrences of that
> nested clip on the timeline.
>
> I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars that contain
> this and other mods in the Download / Documentation / File Storage at
> cinelerra-gg.org.  Would be happy to make static tars for any other usual
> distro/version if you would like to test early.
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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Sam]

Absolutely fantastic! I have been wishing for this feature for so long, 
but due to his long wish list I did not dare to say.
This feature is the basis for several timelines. I miss the timeline 
feature in Cinelerra for a long time. If you agree, I would like to make 
some suggestions on this topic for January. This EDL feature can be 
extended relatively easily in my opinion.


Sam

On 25.12.19 05:59, Phyllis Smith wrote:
With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included with 
your project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example, if you have 
a nested clip that originally had several plugins added to it before 
it was nested, you can edit those plugin parameter values.  Previously 
to make any changes to these EDL clips/nested clips, you had to remake 
the whole clip from scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button 
click as described below by the .


In addition a couple of modifications related to this are noticeable 
to include the following:
  - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which was 
"Nest" is now "Nest to Media"
  - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to Media", the 
nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder


for example:
1) load some test media, mode replace project
2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and press 
ok. clip is created

3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item Open EDL
5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in the main 
menu bar.

7) timeline is restored to original media.
8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline.  The 
effect is visible.


 - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL" for the 
highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the clip will be 
brought up on the timeline. *VERY IMPORTANT to note*, the previous 
timeline EDL is "pushed onto a stack" (this is programmer talk) so it 
is remembered and to get back to that you have to "pop the stack" 
(more programmer talk) by clicking on the button in the upper right 
hand corner of the timeline above where the Proxy switch button would 
be. Usually this button will read 1 if you choose "Open EDL" and then 
0 when back to your original timeline.  You can go several levels deep 
so instead of 1, it could be 2, 3, ... but I got to tell you that you 
can get lost if you overdo it. Once the clip is open on the timeline, 
you can edit it however you want.


  - in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the Nested clip 
will be located here
  - in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now called 
"EDL to clip" which results in the nested clip being reverted to a 
clip and back into the clip folder with only a name of "Clip #".  The 
nested clip is also still in the Media folder.
  - in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open EDL" as 
described for clips above.  But in this case when you Open EDL and 
edit the changes, those changes will take affect on any and all 
occurrences of that nested clip on the timeline.


I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars that 
contain this and other mods in the Download / Documentation / File 
Storage at cinelerra-gg.org .  Would be happy 
to make static tars for any other usual distro/version if you would 
like to test early.



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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[daniel-cinelerra-gg]

This is great, thank you so much!

One bug I've found: if the path to the imported EDL is long, it gets
truncated.  It would be nice to have th option of giving our own names to
the nested EDLs, or if they would assume the name of the origin file (maybe
they already do, but it's being truncated in my case).

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 10:25 AM Igor BEGHETTO  <
> wrote:

>
> 
>
> +1
>
> Il 25/12/2019 6.38, Andrew Randrianasulu ha scritto:
> > В сообщении от Wednesday 25 December 2019 07:59:05 Phyllis Smith
> написал(а):
> >
> > Wow, this is interesting feature, will try to play with it later
> >
> > Thanks, Phyllis, for your tireless work on documenting/testing all those
> features, and GG for implementing them!
> >
> >
> >> With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included with your
> >> project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example, if you have a
> nested
> >> clip that originally had several plugins added to it before it was
> nested,
> >> you can edit those plugin parameter values.  Previously to make any
> changes
> >> to these EDL clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
> >> scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as described
> below
> >> by the .
> >>
> >> In addition a couple of modifications related to this are noticeable to
> >> include the following:
> >>- in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which was
> "Nest"
> >> is now "Nest to Media"
> >>- in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to Media", the
> >> nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder
> >>
> >> for example:
> >> 1) load some test media, mode replace project
> >> 2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and press ok.
> >> clip is created
> >> 3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
> >> 4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item Open EDL
> >> 5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
> >> 6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in the main
> menu
> >> bar.
> >> 7) timeline is restored to original media.
> >> 8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline.  The effect
> is
> >> visible.
> >>
> >>  - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL" for the
> >> highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the clip will be
> brought up
> >> on the timeline.  *VERY IMPORTANT to note*, the previous timeline EDL is
> >> "pushed onto a stack" (this is programmer talk) so it is remembered and
> to
> >> get back to that you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by
> >> clicking on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline
> above
> >> where the Proxy switch button would be.  Usually this button will read
> 1 if
> >> you choose "Open EDL" and then 0 when back to your original timeline.
> You
> >> can go several levels deep so instead of 1, it could be 2, 3, ... but I
> got
> >> to tell you that you can get lost if you overdo it.  Once the clip is
> open
> >> on the timeline, you can edit it however you want.
> >>
> >>- in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the Nested clip
> will
> >> be located here
> >>- in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now called
> "EDL
> >> to clip" which results in the nested clip being reverted to a clip and
> back
> >> into the clip folder with only a name of "Clip #".  The nested clip is
> also
> >> still in the Media folder.
> >>- in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open EDL" as
> >> described for clips above.  But in this case when you Open EDL and edit
> the
> >> changes, those changes will take affect on any and all occurrences of
> that
> >> nested clip on the timeline.
> >>
> >> I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars that
> contain
> >> this and other mods in the Download / Documentation / File Storage at
> >> cinelerra-gg.org.  Would be happy to make static tars for any other
> usual
> >> distro/version if you would like to test early.
> >>
> >
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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

+1

Il 25/12/2019 6.38, Andrew Randrianasulu ha scritto:

В сообщении от Wednesday 25 December 2019 07:59:05 Phyllis Smith написал(а):

Wow, this is interesting feature, will try to play with it later

Thanks, Phyllis, for your tireless work on documenting/testing all those 
features, and GG for implementing them!



With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included with your
project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example, if you have a nested
clip that originally had several plugins added to it before it was nested,
you can edit those plugin parameter values.  Previously to make any changes
to these EDL clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as described below
by the .

In addition a couple of modifications related to this are noticeable to
include the following:
   - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which was "Nest"
is now "Nest to Media"
   - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to Media", the
nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder

for example:
1) load some test media, mode replace project
2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and press ok.
clip is created
3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item Open EDL
5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in the main menu
bar.
7) timeline is restored to original media.
8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline.  The effect is
visible.

 - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL" for the
highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the clip will be brought up
on the timeline.  *VERY IMPORTANT to note*, the previous timeline EDL is
"pushed onto a stack" (this is programmer talk) so it is remembered and to
get back to that you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by
clicking on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline above
where the Proxy switch button would be.  Usually this button will read 1 if
you choose "Open EDL" and then 0 when back to your original timeline.  You
can go several levels deep so instead of 1, it could be 2, 3, ... but I got
to tell you that you can get lost if you overdo it.  Once the clip is open
on the timeline, you can edit it however you want.

   - in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the Nested clip will
be located here
   - in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now called "EDL
to clip" which results in the nested clip being reverted to a clip and back
into the clip folder with only a name of "Clip #".  The nested clip is also
still in the Media folder.
   - in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open EDL" as
described for clips above.  But in this case when you Open EDL and edit the
changes, those changes will take affect on any and all occurrences of that
nested clip on the timeline.

I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars that contain
this and other mods in the Download / Documentation / File Storage at
cinelerra-gg.org.  Would be happy to make static tars for any other usual
distro/version if you would like to test early.




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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Andrew Randrianasulu]

В сообщении от Wednesday 25 December 2019 07:59:05 Phyllis Smith написал(а):

Wow, this is interesting feature, will try to play with it later

Thanks, Phyllis, for your tireless work on documenting/testing all those 
features, and GG for implementing them!


> With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included with your
> project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example, if you have a nested
> clip that originally had several plugins added to it before it was nested,
> you can edit those plugin parameter values.  Previously to make any changes
> to these EDL clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
> scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as described below
> by the .
> 
> In addition a couple of modifications related to this are noticeable to
> include the following:
>   - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which was "Nest"
> is now "Nest to Media"
>   - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to Media", the
> nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder
> 
> for example:
> 1) load some test media, mode replace project
> 2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and press ok.
> clip is created
> 3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
> 4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item Open EDL
> 5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
> 6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in the main menu
> bar.
> 7) timeline is restored to original media.
> 8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline.  The effect is
> visible.
> 
>  - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL" for the
> highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the clip will be brought up
> on the timeline.  *VERY IMPORTANT to note*, the previous timeline EDL is
> "pushed onto a stack" (this is programmer talk) so it is remembered and to
> get back to that you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by
> clicking on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline above
> where the Proxy switch button would be.  Usually this button will read 1 if
> you choose "Open EDL" and then 0 when back to your original timeline.  You
> can go several levels deep so instead of 1, it could be 2, 3, ... but I got
> to tell you that you can get lost if you overdo it.  Once the clip is open
> on the timeline, you can edit it however you want.
> 
>   - in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the Nested clip will
> be located here
>   - in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now called "EDL
> to clip" which results in the nested clip being reverted to a clip and back
> into the clip folder with only a name of "Clip #".  The nested clip is also
> still in the Media folder.
>   - in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open EDL" as
> described for clips above.  But in this case when you Open EDL and edit the
> changes, those changes will take affect on any and all occurrences of that
> nested clip on the timeline.
> 
> I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars that contain
> this and other mods in the Download / Documentation / File Storage at
> cinelerra-gg.org.  Would be happy to make static tars for any other usual
> distro/version if you would like to test early.
> 


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