[Clamav-users] Notification E-mail: clamav + amavisd-new

2004-10-24 Thread Senandung Mendonan
Dear all, I'm currently running clamav + amavisd-new for some time, and having read through the arguments on notification here:- http://lists.clamav.net/lurker/thread/20040922.180416.24842818.en.html I decided to enforce this notification policy in amavisd-new (slight modification from

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Jeremy Kitchen
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 06:39 pm, Damian Menscher wrote: Why? Since all you achieve with rejects is indirectly causing a lot of virus bounces to appear at innocent bystanders. No, you also guard against false positives. exactly. If the remote sender is sending a legitimate file that

AW: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Steffen Heil
Hi Why? Since all you achieve with rejects is indirectly causing a lot of virus bounces to appear at innocent bystanders. NO. Virii are usually send directly from the virus and the virus will not send bounces... :D However, if a virus can send through an SMTP server, that server needs to be

RE: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Randal, Phil
Steffen wrote: Hi Why? Since all you achieve with rejects is indirectly causing a lot of virus bounces to appear at innocent bystanders. NO. Virii are usually send directly from the virus and the virus will not send bounces... :D However, if a virus can send through an SMTP server,

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:21:22 -0400 in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ryan Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Morrison wrote: You need to do something appropriate to sendmail.cf or the milter configuration (which I know nothing about I'm afraid) to do this. This is not something that can be

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Jeremy Kitchen
On Wednesday 22 September 2004 04:10 am, Randal, Phil wrote: Why? Since all you achieve with rejects is indirectly causing a lot of virus bounces to appear at innocent bystanders. NO. Virii are usually send directly from the virus and the virus will not send bounces... :D However,

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Jan Pieter Cornet
On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 06:39:25PM -0500, Damian Menscher wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 04:26:40PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is perfectly acceptable to place an explanatory message in an SMTP REJECT message. Acceptable, maybe, but I

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 06:39:25PM -0500, Damian Menscher wrote: As a riposte: I'm not alone in this, far from it, actually. A similar request was recently issued by virusalert.nl, a dutch organisation on virus prevention. See

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Kelson
Simple solution to the question of whether to send a notice: You know what virus was detected. You know whether it's a mass-mailer or something else. (starts with Worm., ends with @mm, a few specific others) Based on that, you can decide whether to reject it or discard it. -- Kelson Vibber

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Matt
Damian Menscher wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but they're not talking about not rejecting. They're talking about not bouncing (sending out non-delivery notifications in response to EVERY virus). There's a huge difference. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a legitimate company

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
As a riposte: I'm not alone in this, far from it, actually. A similar request was recently issued by virusalert.nl, a dutch organisation on virus prevention. See http://www.virusalert.nl/?show=nieuwsid=559 I attempted to use the Fish to translate, and looked at their little picture of the

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Kelson wrote: Simple solution to the question of whether to send a notice: You know what virus was detected. You know whether it's a mass-mailer or something else. (starts with Worm., ends with @mm, a few specific others) Based on that, you can decide whether to reject it

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-22 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Matt wrote: The easiest way to distinguish this is if you are scanning the mail AFTER you have accepted delivery of the email, then discard, do not bounce. However, if you are filtering before accepting the email, then reject. Agreed. If you're filtering your mail after it

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2004-09-21 Thread Erwan David
Le Mon 20/09/2004, Steffen Heil disait However, if you do such things, PLEASE only send a notification to the intended user, NOT to the author. This would cause lot of collateral damage. And ONLY if the intended recipient is a local one... -- Erwan David

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Niek
On 9/20/2004 11:45 PM +0200, Jonathan Pitcher wrote: We have Clam Av installed and running. It is blocking virus e-mails but is not generating any notification. Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had a

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Nigel Horne
On Monday 20 Sep 2004 22:45, Jonathan Pitcher wrote: We have Clam Av installed and running. It is blocking virus e-mails but is not generating any notification. Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had

RE: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Nigel Horne wrote: On Monday 20 Sep 2004 22:45, Jonathan Pitcher wrote: Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had a virus sent to them? Yes it is, though the first option is not advisable. You can find

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:44:45 -0700 in [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is no way to do this currently, can I submit this as a feature request for clamav-milter? But as you have already been told, it is up to the MTA to do this. When Exim passes incoming mail through clamd

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Nigel Horne
On Tuesday 21 Sep 2004 16:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nigel Horne wrote: On Monday 20 Sep 2004 22:45, Jonathan Pitcher wrote: Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had a virus sent to them? Yes

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Jan Pieter Cornet
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 04:26:40PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is perfectly acceptable to place an explanatory message in an SMTP REJECT message. Acceptable, maybe, but I believe it's better to simply discard all viruses. Why? Since all you achieve with rejects is indirectly causing a

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Damian Menscher
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Jan Pieter Cornet wrote: On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 04:26:40PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is perfectly acceptable to place an explanatory message in an SMTP REJECT message. Acceptable, maybe, but I believe it's better to simply discard all viruses. And most sane people

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-21 Thread Ryan Moore
Brian Morrison wrote: You need to do something appropriate to sendmail.cf or the milter configuration (which I know nothing about I'm afraid) to do this. This is not something that can be configured in clamav AFAICS. He was referring to the clamav-milter, which *does* hook clamav into sendmail,

[Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-20 Thread Jonathan Pitcher
We have Clam Av installed and running. It is blocking virus e-mails but is not generating any notification. Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had a virus sent to them? Thanks in advance.

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2004-09-20 Thread Steffen Heil
Hi We have Clam Av installed and running. It is blocking virus e-mails but is not generating any notification. Right. clamav is just a virus scanner. It's sole purpose is to detect virii. So, how are you passing your mails to clamav? That component or your mail server could do that. However,

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-20 Thread Peter Bonivart
Jonathan Pitcher wrote: Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had a virus sent to them? http://www.mailscanner.info -- /Peter Bonivart --Unix lovers do it in the Sun

RE: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-20 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Steffen Heil wrote: Hi We have Clam Av installed and running. It is blocking virus e-mails but is not generating any notification. ... PLEASE only send a notification to the intended user, NOT to the author. This would cause lot of collateral damage. With one caveat. It is perfectly

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-20 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Jonathan Pitcher wrote: Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had a virus sent to them? Yes. It is also a bad idea. Since most viruses forge the From: address, you will not be

Re: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christopher X. Candreva said: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Jonathan Pitcher wrote: Is it possible to send a message onto the user that they had an e-mail blocked? Or to an admin stating that [EMAIL PROTECTED] had a virus sent to them? Yes. It is also a bad idea. Since most viruses forge the

RE: [Clamav-users] Notification E-mail

2004-09-20 Thread Mitch \(WebCob\)
With one caveat. It is perfectly acceptable to place an explanatory message in an SMTP REJECT message. Something like EHLO (hi) MAIL FROM (ok) RCPT TO (ok) DATA (can't accept for delivery, contains the EICAR virus!) If the mail is being sent by a virus, the virus will usually just give